It really depends on the ship.
Active armour tanking is very good on the right ship.

Hell, i'd say it's more effective than active shield tanking (not using an ASB) since ASBs made that totally obsolete.

You are just terrible at EVE. Active Armor tanking kicks ass.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15154378

Check that EHP.

And that's not an isolated case either. When I fight Incursuses they go for 20 minutes at a time, because the tank is sexy.

Ever heard of a Triple rep Myrm? Or a Active Tank Sacrilage? Learn to undock scrub.

You are just terrible at EVE. Active Armor tanking kicks ass.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15154378

Check that EHP.

And that's not an isolated case either. When I fight Incursuses they go for 20 minutes at a time, because the tank is sexy.

Ever heard of a Triple rep Myrm? Or a Active Tank Sacrilage? Learn to undock scrub.

T1 frigate kills active armor T2 frigate.
What side of this debate are you on again?

er... they're both T1 frigates. The fact that an Incursus managed to take of 35000 damage before it died is what he's talking about.

Ever heard of a Triple rep Myrm?

So in order to effectively active armor tank I need three repairers on a ship with a repair bonus?

Thank you for confirming my OP.

So in order to effectively active armor tank I need three repairers on a ship with a repair bonus?

Thank you for confirming my OP.

Basically

The only time Armor tanking appears to be beneficial to me would be when the hull bonuses enhance it and mids are in short supply.

Basically

You are just terrible at EVE. Active Armor tanking kicks ass.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15154378

Check that EHP.

And that's not an isolated case either. When I fight Incursuses they go for 20 minutes at a time, because the tank is sexy.

Ever heard of a Triple rep Myrm? Or a Active Tank Sacrilage? Learn to undock scrub.

Double rep is also effective and your a scrub if you don't know how powerful a triple rep myrm is in average pvp.

Also your whole argument utterly destroyed by this link HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

How the idiots he was shooting could easily have won that fight:

Give him something supertanked to chew on and warp in at 20+ km, preferably with some heavy alpha.

Double rep is also effective and your a scrub if you don't know how powerful a triple rep myrm is in average pvp.

Also your whole argument utterly destroyed by this link HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Double Rep Incursus would like to talk to you as well.

You are just terrible at EVE. Active Armor tanking kicks ass.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15154378

Check that EHP.

And that's not an isolated case either. When I fight Incursuses they go for 20 minutes at a time, because the tank is sexy.

Ever heard of a Triple rep Myrm? Or a Active Tank Sacrilage? Learn to undock scrub.

So in order to effectively active armor tank I need three repairers on a ship with a repair bonus?

Thank you for confirming my OP.

Plus there is the basic "general safety" issue - meaning that if your shield tank fails, you have until your armor dies to warp out. If your armor tank fails, you're basically toast because everyone knows that whenever your down to hull the game always experiences a sudden & mysterious burst of lag that keeps you from warping out in time. So when the poop hits the fan, it's a question of "repair ship" or "buy a new one."

No.

If your armor drops despite your repper running at full load you know at 95% armor that you will need to leave.
On the other hand you won't know if your PST can soak up all that damage until it's close to being broken - which means most of your buffer is gone already and your in for a ride down a steep slope.

And that measly bit of armor most shield ships have is gone in the blink of an eye - it's not a safety net worth mentioning.

Anyhow, if you let it come this far you deserve to pop - doesn't matter if armor or shield tanked.

Talking PVE of course...

So you are basically saying why aren't there crystals for armor tanking?

same reason there aren't slaves for shield tanking.

same reason why there is no caldari-minmatar or gallente-amarr pirate boats.

because screw fairness.

How the idiots he was shooting could easily have won that fight:

Give him something supertanked to chew on and warp in at 20+ km, preferably with some heavy alpha.

Next:
- 1x T2 Medium Armor Repairer on Harbinger
- 1x T2 X-Large Shield booster on Cyclone

I have a dual plate dual rep prophecy that's pretty meaty.

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i dont think it's broken, just a different mechanic. Are you going to say missile system are broken because they don't do insta damage? Because velocity and both signature affect the applied dps? Come on, differmt systems, different results. It was never meant to be the same

Say again? x2 plates and x2 reps? Not a very good idea, you should use armor resist hardners instead of plates or else your just wasting powergrid and making your ship slower with no bonus to your active tank. Plates should only be used when your going straight buffer. Two eanms give you similar EHP too two plates anyway at a bonus to your active tank.

Their are exceptions though to mixing reppers and plates don't get me wrong, but in any situation where your using a prophecy your probably not going to be mixing.

Active armor tanking ROX!!!

For the 3 seconds you have it running until your cap is gone. So you fit a Booster.

Like that?

Truth.

The Myrm has active tank bonuses but unless you TRIPLE rep it, a passive shield will be a better tank. It might be a great ship, but its basically the fourth Minmatar BC. Projectiles and shield tank make it awesome.

That's the main problem.
Ever tryed to use a Large Armor Rep on a Harbinger?

It is FAR to easy to use oversized Shield Boosters!

If you compare a empty Harbinger with just a Med Rep and a empty Hurrican with jus a MED Booster they are similar in HP/S. Harbinger get 51(53) armor/s and Hurrican 54(59) shield/s.
BUT who uses MED Booster? Not even Cruiser fits use MED Booster as it should be! If you find a kill mail with a "only" a Large Booster on a Cyclon you get flaimed allready as it is a "must be" to fit X-Large. The sad part is: THEY FIT! Sure, you lose alot PG and CPU but it is not imposible to fit them. Just for fun try to fit a Large Repair on a Harbinger. It's not posible as you miss over 400 PG WITHOUT anything else fitted!

Fitting requierments for Shield Boosters are simply 100% broken.

Like all those maelstroms? Also you aint gonna alpha a vindicator without an entire gang, AND even if he couldn't break you he could just jump through the gate.

like everything related to gallente playstyle

Active armor tanking
Hybrid turrets
Drones

All sucks badly

nothing new under the sun of JIta !!!

The thing that makes blasters suck is armor. It's too damn slow and active tanking no longer tanks enough. The myrmidon is an exception since fitting three repairers, two cap boosters, and a MWD causes you to gimp the guns. The damage on that ship is based around the drones, not guns.

Shields are good on gallente ships since you can put plenty of damage and tracking/range modules in the lows. Speed is much better, too.

I agree with OP. Active armor tanking sucks.

The argument that armor tanking allows for more EWAR is invalid; because shield boats almost always have enough mids so they can maintain a superb shield tank (better than a comparable armor tank) and still have slots left over for EWAR.
Additionally, shield tankers put out significantly more DPS.

Why not just remove armor tanking from the game if you don't plan on improving it, CCP? We have less tank and less gank than shield tanks.

Edit: Stop posting Myrmidons and Incursus to say how active armor tanking is fine. If you can only find 2-3 ships that active armor tanking actually works on, then that in itself highlights the problem I have with active armor tanking.

I actually thought shields were weaker before the ASB came out, and those Awesome Shield BoostersGäó balanced things out nicely. Shields are better for bursts of extra defence, armour is a lesser amount, but can be run permanently if need be. Seems to work fine

armor tanking myrmidon.

Just because one ship using a triple armor repairer setup can take decently does not mean active armor tanking is fine in general. It's like picking one guy out in a city, seeing he's wearing women's underwear, and saying that all guys in that city wear women's underwear and that's it's normal to do so.

Try a dual rep cruiser. Try a dual rep or even triple rep brutix. They will be terrible.

To make this a little closer to relevant in EVE Online, you could change the title as well.

Active Armor Ganking Sucks.

Gank beats tank. EVE is EVE. It will never change.

Edit: Stop posting Myrmidons and Incursus to say how active armor tanking is fine. If you can only find 2-3 ships that active armor tanking actually works on, then that in itself highlights the problem I have with active armor tanking.

armor tanking myrmidon.

And anyone filling up the lows on any missile boat can brag about their DPS. You see the point here?

You make an excellent point. This is especially true for Amarr ships, which CCP has clearly said are meant for armor tanking. Yet in reality they fail in being actually designed for that job.

Consider that in T1 there are:

7 types of Amarr frigates, yet only 1 even gets a bonus to armor resist. None get a bonus to armor self-repair.

2 types of destroyer and neither gets any kind of armor bonus.

4 types of cruiser, only 1 gets a bonus to armor resist - none get a self-repair bonus.

3 types of battlecruiser, again only 1 gets an armor resist bonus and none get a self-repair bonus.

3 types of battleship, and yet again, 1 armor resist and zero self-repair bonus.


Does that look like a winning line-up for armor tanking? Out of 19 ships only 4 even get an armor resist bonus and NONE of them get a self-repair bonus.

And the real irony of the Myrmidon not only does it get the armor repair bonus that zero Amarr ships do, but it's also (IMHO) one of the best T1 shield tank ships out there. And it's a Gallente ship. You know what other ships get self-repair bonus? The Incursus & Hyperion - both are also Gallente ships. Meaning that all three of the best active-armor tank ships in the game are Gallente exclusive.

Biased much, CCP?