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Ispai Ponue Caldari Provisions Caldari State 15	Posted - 2012.12.12 06:18:00 - [1] - Quote So I almost got in a fight with one of the new destroyers tonight and as I was contemplating engaging I was considering how I possibly would. I wouldn't think twice against one of the old ones, it'd be a good fight and I'd stand a good chance of winning. So what would be a good strategy? What I came up with was to arty fit, and burn at 15+ to make sure not to get webbed and to hold the speed to surpass explosion velocity. Speed is all there is against rockets and missiles, no? As it was I got painted at 50k and was taking some serious **** before I fled.
Garviel Tarrant Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 276	Posted - 2012.12.12 08:23:00 - [2] - Quote Ispai Ponue wrote: So I almost got in a fight with one of the new destroyers tonight and as I was contemplating engaging I was considering how I possibly would. I wouldn't think twice against one of the old ones, it'd be a good fight and I'd stand a good chance of winning. So what would be a good strategy? What I came up with was to arty fit, and burn at 15+ to make sure not to get webbed and to hold the speed to surpass explosion velocity. Speed is all there is against rockets and missiles, no? As it was I got painted at 50k and was taking some serious **** before I fled. The only destroyer a Rifter can beat are shitfits or rail/arty dessies if it can get on top of them The Rifter is terrible and dies in a fire against all dessies.. If you're set on minmatar get a Slasher or a Breacher, they are both way better than the Rifter.
Hidden Snake Genco Fatal Ascension 164	Posted - 2012.12.12 08:26:00 - [3] - Quote Garviel Tarrant wrote: Ispai Ponue wrote: So I almost got in a fight with one of the new destroyers tonight and as I was contemplating engaging I was considering how I possibly would. I wouldn't think twice against one of the old ones, it'd be a good fight and I'd stand a good chance of winning. So what would be a good strategy? What I came up with was to arty fit, and burn at 15+ to make sure not to get webbed and to hold the speed to surpass explosion velocity. Speed is all there is against rockets and missiles, no? As it was I got painted at 50k and was taking some serious ** before I fled. The only destroyer a Rifter can beat are shitfits or rail/arty dessies if it can get on top of them The Rifter is terrible and dies in a fire against all dessies.. If you're set on minmatar get a Slasher or a Breacher, they are both way better than the Rifter. sas but true ... IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free?>>>????-áPublic ch.: Basterds on vacation Hans resign from CSM!**
Zarnak Wulf Imperial Outlaws 769	Posted - 2012.12.12 08:44:00 - [4] - Quote Whenever I see a rifter on my scanner these days I start to clap my hands together like a toddler getting a treat.
Meditril T.R.I.A.D 165	Posted - 2012.12.12 10:52:00 - [5] - Quote Destroyers are made for killing frigates, therefore it is usually suicide to engage a destroyer solo in a frigate. There are however two exceptions: a) Destroyer is short range turret and you are long range kiter b) Destroyer is long range turret and you are short range, web, scram, TD, AB brawler.
Jack Miton Aperture Harmonics K162 956	Posted - 2012.12.12 12:02:00 - [6] - Quote none of the new dessies are impressive at all tbh. thrasher is still the only dessie worth flying.
Colt Blackhawk Forced Penetration Reckless Faith 15	Posted - 2012.12.12 13:06:00 - [7] - Quote Actually a Rifter is the perfect bait ship. Make a brawl fit, sit at warpout in plex and le voila probably killmail because everyone underestimates you. Rifter is still a good ship and people only whine about it because it isn-¦t the uber ship any more.
Cynthia Nezmor Nezmor's Golden Griffins 83	Posted - 2012.12.12 13:12:00 - [8] - Quote Meditril wrote: Destroyers are made for killing frigates, therefore it is usually suicide to engage a destroyer solo in a frigate. There are however two exceptions: a) Destroyer is short range turret and you are long range kiter b) Destroyer is long range turret and you are short range, web, scram, TD, AB brawler. Why do you keep pretending you can kill anything without Lokis? What he wanted to say is: when we have 3 and our Loki, we still don't dare to engage a lonely destroyer, only under special circumstances. c) Destroyer is short range turret and you are short range, web, scram TD, AB brawler. http://24fl.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15487471 d) Destroyer is long range turret and you are kiting with TD. e) Destroyer is long range turret, and you are long range kiter, knowing opponent is just like Meditril, can't kill anything without OGBs and whole fleets. http://24fl.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15384014 + million more, if you can actually think for yourself.
Meditril T.R.I.A.D 165	Posted - 2012.12.12 13:28:00 - [9] - Quote @Cynthia Nezmor: I have really no idea what your problem exactly is... but yes, basically with luck you can kill a destroyer even with a noob ship or a stealth bomber (me did this some long time ago). But when saying this then you should at least tell the truth that chances are against you, but as everywhere in EVE they are not zero and sometimes luck is on your side.
Cephelange du'Krevviq Hephaestus LLC Get Off My Lawn 85	Posted - 2012.12.12 14:35:00 - [10] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: none of the new dessies are impressive at all tbh. thrasher is still the only dessie worth flying. Engage a Dragoon, then, and see how "unimpressive" it is.

cearaen Imperial Outlaws 0	Posted - 2012.12.12 14:46:00 - [11] - Quote Ispai Ponue wrote: So I almost got in a fight with one of the new destroyers tonight and as I was contemplating engaging I was considering how I possibly would. I wouldn't think twice against one of the old ones, it'd be a good fight and I'd stand a good chance of winning. So what would be a good strategy? What I came up with was to arty fit, and burn at 15+ to make sure not to get webbed and to hold the speed to surpass explosion velocity. Speed is all there is against rockets and missiles, no? As it was I got painted at 50k and was taking some serious **** before I fled. I used to fly that sort of fit to kill destroyers. I don't remember if that was before or after the dessie boost. I had a snakes back then and it was still hard because, dps was crap so even if you had someone it was hard to kill them before friends would show up, and you would have cap issues, and flying the mwd rifter was sort of like driving a crotch rocket on ice. It won't work against rockets or drone boats. Although I do agree it is nice to be able to take on dessies in a t1 frigate because you can find allot more fights. When I do this I tend to rely on the fact that all dessies seem to fit mwds. So I fit a scram ab and td. You have to be cognizant of the guns. If its a coercer, I always tend to try to get close to orbit at 500 with tracking script and close ammo. If its a corm I tend to assume rails and try to go in close same as coercer. If its a thrasher or catalyst I assume close range and put in the long range script until I learn different. If the dessie is short range turret and you have an optimal script in orbit at about 6500 and have guns that can hit well at 7k or so you will get some kills. Small rails work well. (use javelin if you need to orbit close the larger sig radius of the dessie means you will still land more hits and cary some standard drop to help you) Probably autos with barrage will work well if you have a falloff bonus. Like I said I was using snakes when I would do this and I would still lose allot of ships. But it will greatly increase the number of fights you can get if you can fit to fight destroyers. If destroyers ever start fitting abs this will no longer work.
cearaen Imperial Outlaws 0	Posted - 2012.12.12 14:47:00 - [12] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: none of the new dessies are impressive at all tbh. thrasher is still the only dessie worth flying. I can only assume you are joking.
Ashterothi Aideron Robotics 96	Posted - 2012.12.12 19:38:00 - [13] - Quote Garviel Tarrant wrote: Ispai Ponue wrote: So I almost got in a fight with one of the new destroyers tonight and as I was contemplating engaging I was considering how I possibly would. I wouldn't think twice against one of the old ones, it'd be a good fight and I'd stand a good chance of winning. So what would be a good strategy? What I came up with was to arty fit, and burn at 15+ to make sure not to get webbed and to hold the speed to surpass explosion velocity. Speed is all there is against rockets and missiles, no? As it was I got painted at 50k and was taking some serious **** before I fled. The only destroyer a Rifter can beat are shitfits or rail/arty dessies if it can get on top of them The Rifter is terrible and dies in a fire against all dessies.. If you're set on minmatar get a Slasher or a Breacher, they are both way better than the Rifter. I really want to send this post to two years ago and watch the rage.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 746	Posted - 2012.12.12 20:00:00 - [14] - Quote Ispai Ponue wrote: So I almost got in a fight ..... (stuff)...... As it was I got painted at 50k and was taking some serious ** before I fled. I hate to break it to you...but you got in a fight, there was no almost. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?**
Abyssum Invocat Justified Chaos 45	Posted - 2012.12.13 06:44:00 - [15] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: none of the new dessies are impressive at all tbh. thrasher is still the only dessie worth flying. I find that egregiously untrue. The Talwar can be fit very similarly to the classic shield AC Thrasher while getting nearly identical stats, a smaller sig, and a more flexible weapon system. The Algos also gets more tank and gank when fit for brawling than an AC Thrasher. Of course, if you don't believe me I will happily link some fits to show you or we can simply rendezvous for a 1v1
Abyssum Invocat Justified Chaos 45	Posted - 2012.12.13 06:48:00 - [16] - Quote Cephelange du'Krevviq wrote: Jack Miton wrote: none of the new dessies are impressive at all tbh. thrasher is still the only dessie worth flying. Engage a Dragoon, then, and see how "unimpressive" it is. In my experience the Dragoon has been nothing but underwhelming, care to share a fit? I would love to add one to my hangar, I just need an excuse.
Darvaleth Sigma Progressive State State Section 9 25	Posted - 2012.12.13 07:14:00 - [17] - Quote I've similarly found the Corax to be a waste of time and ISK. Give a man a match and you warm him for a day. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life!
CaptainFalcon07 Caucasian Culture Club Transmission Lost 57	Posted - 2012.12.13 09:47:00 - [18] - Quote The buff coercer is fairly deadly, until you have an AB frig outtracking the guns.
Garviel Tarrant Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 277	Posted - 2012.12.13 09:58:00 - [19] - Quote CaptainFalcon07 wrote: The buff coercer is fairly deadly, until you have an AB frig outtracking the guns. Read that as the Buff coercer is a small flying object of doom that projects a sphere of unavoidable laser death all around it... >_>
Zoe Panala Blobcats 20	Posted - 2012.12.13 15:40:00 - [20] - Quote Meditril wrote: @Cynthia Nezmor: I have really no idea what your problem exactly is... but yes, basically with luck you can kill a destroyer even with a noob ship or a stealth bomber (me did this some long time ago). But when saying this then you should at least tell the truth that chances are against you, but as everywhere in EVE they are not zero and sometimes luck is on your side. Luck is present in the game in form of ECM modules. None of the listed examples has any kind of ECM involved.

Hidden Snake Genco Fatal Ascension 165	Posted - 2012.12.13 15:40:00 - [21] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: none of the new dessies are impressive at all tbh. thrasher is still the only dessie worth flying. Wrong ... IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free?>>>????-áPublic ch.: Basterds on vacation Hans resign from CSM!
Princess Nexxala Quantum Cats Syndicate 200	Posted - 2012.12.13 16:23:00 - [22] - Quote Well he is right on the first point, new dessies are very meh. But really must thank all the silly people flying them, liking all the killmails it has been providing Coercer has outclassed the thrasher now that it can point stuff Hidden Snake wrote: Jack Miton wrote: none of the new dessies are impressive at all tbh. thrasher is still the only dessie worth flying. Wrong ... QCATs is recruiting https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180
Meditril T.R.I.A.D 167	Posted - 2012.12.14 09:49:00 - [23] - Quote Zoe Panala wrote: Luck is present in the game in form of ECM modules. None of the listed examples has any kind of ECM involved. Luck is not only about ECM, luck is also about wrecking shots and luck is also about finding someone which has an ill prepared ship, or whom you catch in a situation he did not expected or he wanted to avoid for obvious reasons.


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