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Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2012.12.14 18:46:00 -
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Psihius wrote:Bei ArtJay wrote:Well lets just say this is how it ended when we tried without triage  http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15307468And yeah, these BS ain't cheap fit but it only made a small dent in our profits. Sometimes you have to suffer in the name of science! I suspected that. Well, the main reason I asked is - did it die because of the DPS or carrier without triage just was unable to lock the battleship in time?
The biggest problem was probably neuting turning off the EM hardeners, which massively increased the incoming friendly smartbomb damage. But the lock time and mod cycle time are also to blame. If you look at the mail then you'll see six friendly BS; add the Loki and there were seven targets for the Archon to rep. I was hoping to be able to run the sites without any triaging, as this would remove a significant element of risk should a K162 be spawned. Unfortunately, a non-triaged Archon is only able to lock six targets and has pretty crappy scan res, and the RR mods cycle quite slowly really. So basically what happened was that the Sleepers neuted the Abaddon dry, turned off its hardeners and, assisted by the 6000 DPS from the smartbombs, ganked it before the Archon could lock it up and cycle the reps enough. The drop in locked targets and scan res when exiting triage also occasionally caused some "omg panic, stash Noctis in carrier" moments when exiting triage with normal-wave Sleepers still on the field.
Obviously, these factors can be mitigated - an autotargeter or signal amplifier for more locked targets, SeBos for scan res, passive hardeners on the Abaddons. But I wanted to keep the Archon PVP-fit. Since we were only there for a few days we didn't have time to try out different fits. At least we didn't end up like this anyway.
We only ever warped into spawns of 14 Sleepless Guardians - we didn't try the full spawn of 28. I'd be confident doing the 28 with two carriers on the field though, and it would probably be fine with a single carrier if you used passive hardeners. One plus is that nobody was ever hit by a Sleeper missile, so their kin/explo volley damage - which numerically is quite scary with 14 or 28 Sleepers - was nothing to worry about. |