This week has been busy for the Gallente Federation. I have written my coverage of the situation and it is published at http://themittani.com/ne

You lost me right about there...maybe slightly before that even.

It would help if you actually had your facts right. One CCP did a ninja patch, and messed over caldari, second enulari and hallen were not key systems, other then to base at for more pvp. Then you mention the caldari superior numbers? Have you even looked at the warzone, gallente out number caldari more then 2:1. If you are basing numbers based on the militia page where it shows the number of pilots in the militia try and understand that only maybe 10 percent of the actually number is active pilots in the warzone. For example in fleet combat gals have been fielding around 50-60 per fleet with multiple fleets going at once, as were caldari was only fielding 20-30 at max some nights with only one fleet. So next time please look more in depth into the battlefield.

Thanks,
Soulless Brutor

As someone who was in Kraken when the surprise change took place I've got a few things to add. Calmil was already struggling to gain momentum against the gals. It was their (our) stated objective to take Nennamalia after losing Kinaka and nothing ever came of that. Key to the gal's success was a small group of very active, eve-rich pilots. They usually were fleeted up and in expensive fits. These guys blunted the PvP hopes of many by laying out traps. Conversely the calmil core group fancied themselves expert FCs. They frequently lead large groups of 'young' pvpers into aforementioned deathtraps. Or they'd gather a large fleet and wait for the gals to come out and play. (They then cried when after 2hr waits we'd get stomped by a larger fleet.)

TL;DR - Calmil was miserable before, and with Kraken gone the last semblance of competence is gone. Don't expect change any time soon.

My corp joined Caldari for the easy to find fights, but immediately swapped out to the amarr/minnie fight when we discovered the caldari military channel is more used for people begging for isk, whining about losses, and petty hatred towards one another. Herding cats across a river would be easier than getting the caldari organized enough to not be the little ***** in that fight...

It would help if you actually had your facts right. One CCP did a ninja patch, and messed over caldari, second enulari and hallen were not key systems, other then to base at for more pvp. Then you mention the caldari superior numbers? Have you even looked at the warzone, gallente out number caldari more then 2:1. If you are basing numbers based on the militia page where it shows the number of pilots in the militia try and understand that only maybe 10 percent of the actually number is active pilots in the warzone. For example in fleet combat gals have been fielding around 50-60 per fleet with multiple fleets going at once, as were caldari was only fielding 20-30 at max some nights with only one fleet. So next time please look more in depth into the battlefield.

Thanks,
Soulless Brutor

You lost me right about there...maybe slightly before that even.

So full of blatant lies, outrageous propaganda and just generally clueless statements, it should be branded as a nice attempt of trolling, or a sad attempt of libel.

I personally find the comments in the blog post to quite lulzworthy. Just a few snippets;







On a side note, I hated to see Kraken leave. I like winning as much as the next person but not at the risk of less pew. I really wish CCP would fix this new farming mechanic. Shooting 1 rat is silly and it's farmville all over again.

Haters...



...gonna...



...hate.

/Ignore, and move on with your work OP o7

Shooting 1 rat is silly and it's farmville all over again.

This week has been busy for the Gallente Federa

I strongly agree. While I was writing this post the first time over the weekend, and watching the events unfold, I was both excited about victory, and saddened about what that mean for our war-zone.

The nightmare scenario of FW would be two allies both winning their perspective warzones, and working together to crush any insurrection, and I fear this is moving in that direction.

Hey, that sounds like something to write about...

Have you even looked at the warzone, gallente out number caldari more then 2:1.

Without giving me a trollish rebuttal, I challenge you to provide me the stats where Gallente outnumber Caldari 2:1, as you just stated. I also challenge you to please show where on God's green earth that Gallente has consistently fielded 50 people for multiple fleets as you just stated.

Edit: Unless you are referring to Friday Night Eve Radio fleets which can possibly hit 50ish. But that's once a week and very very kitchen sink.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=15042975
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=15355156
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=15291544 <--- you had 80 in your fleet they didn't all ***** on kill mails do you want me to dig up more?

In 2 months I plan on bringing my corp over to frog side and I urge all other Cal Mil entities to do the same to expedite the process of the death of FW farmville.

Why wait? Get your alts in now and start plexing for Gallente. Tier V all the way!

The nightmare scenario of FW would be two allies both winning their perspective warzones, and working together to crush any insurrection, and I fear this is moving in that direction.

Except it is what you have always wanted and already work together to achieve. But hey, cry more crocodile tears about "only wanting good fights" (which is a lie) and wrap yourself in some "waah, Caldari really has more numbers" (even bigger lie) excuse when we know it has never been true except right at the start of FW.

At all times Caldari chat has 20 - 25% less people than Gal chat and huge of number of the players there are mission alts or gallente spy alts luring new people to be ganked by constant shouting of "Omg, come help me plex in Teimo" (or similiar) to make sure most new people quit in disgust after being either awoxed or blobbed to death.

And people still think that all these changes like ninja patch have not been deliberate acts by CCP's employees propping up their favourite militias. As said many times before, Gallentes knew it was coming and even boasted about the fact in local chat during their last LP dump by saying "Outside force would stop you from ever gaining tier 5 again", so either Hans or some CCP drone leaked this information to their militia leaders because "outside force" in form of dev's indeed stopped it.

"But you had time to bust the ihubs!" say the froggies. Indeed, how dare we be so ineffective that we cannot basicly bash 90 POSes in the middle of a week without pre-arranged CTA within 24 hours with every bored null-sec entity and frog pirate allies having their cyno alts watching ihubs so they could drop a titan bridge there.

The gallentes who say they are equal to caldari are just a ********* liars, there a re a lot of new people in caldari militia and you have 3 well organized entites there, so dont **** with us and say the truth, you could go to tier 5 if you want, but you dont do it because you will show how broke the balance is...

I object to any insinuation that we harbor organized entities.

Expect this to devolve from here.

:) Now who dares write an Amarr vs Minnie article.

And people still think that all these changes like ninja patch have not been deliberate acts by CCP's employees propping up their favourite militias.

you could go to tier 5 if you want, but you dont do it because you will show how broke the balance is[/u]...

Crap, I told chatgris that guy on comms in our daily plexing strategy meeting was a spy. Did anybody listen? nope... *sigh*

Wonder if anyone's ever tried to apply theories of combat fatigue to a videogame.

Constant warfare, day in, day out, can really grind away at one's spirit, one's sanity, one's problematic soul. It's draining, and I'm pretty sure there are studies showing that keeping combat units on the front line for too long without relief will eventually render them ineffective.

Well, you outnumber us so badly you can have 100 man alliance relocate because of a one man. I of course refer to Sp-r here. They denied it of course but have admitted by now they moved over only because of Damar. Oh and lets not forget one has to add about 50 neutral logi/link guys from their alt corp Trident BMK to that.

And of course they have Shadow Cartel to help them too:

Akturous > gall fed and shadow are tight, bro
Akturous > we sit around in a circle jerk alll day just thinking about how we can help each other out more

"100 man alliance relocate because of a one man"
"Oh and lets not forget one has to add about 50 neutral logi/link guys"
"And of course they have Shadow Cartel to help them too"

However, as the they approach tier 5 status, things will become progressively more difficult for the Gallente. Reduced to fewer systems, Gallente plexers will be unable to hide their presence to Caldari patrols, who will be much more concentrated. Furthermore, the LP cost to raise systems goes up as a faction gets closer to total dominance. At some point Caldari will gain enough traction to hold ground, and likely push back.

If the cals work together instead of as individual entities they could really ruin our day.

You mean, "I want all Caldari go to same place so it's easier for us to blob them since yes, we do outnumber them 2:1 at all given times".

Also, another of your miltiia members saw it courteous enough to call me a pedophile today (Recnarion from Lusitan Initiative). I wonder if CCP takes any action from petition. Most likely not, probably gives him some SP for a job well done.

.... a one man...

Souless- You said consistently field 50ish. You're linking me fringe BRs and/or ganks. I can link similar BRs. Ganks happen everywhere.

Need I remind you that between Kraken, Happy, and Templis, that's 3 alliances with 300 pilots per. That's 900 pilots right there regardless of inactivity as happens with all organizations. This also doesn't include the pirate gangs like Exodus, OMS Pies and whatnot who constantly have to come to help you guys.

Cal Mil has this constant persecution complex for some reason. It's never your fault. It's always Gallente.

Fact of the matter is that alot of you guys are just bad and you don't hold yourself accountable for it. It's not that Gallente is l77t pvpers. It's just many of the Cal Mil pvp corps are really really bad. I remember when I, along with a few other people helped organize the Kinakka Eviction campaign for the T5 push. Alot of the fights were pretty even and MG would lead the fights. Somehow, we'd amazingly win some of these fights by wide margins. Mostly because there's no discipline in your fleets, you don't have secondary target callers and the leeroy mentality is huge.

Gallente does blob sometimes. But part of the issue is that our fleets consist of many corps and alliances who try their hardest to form some semblance of a doctrine to counter an alliance who already has an existing doctrine. Unfortunately, it rarely happens so you get these kitchen sink blobs to fight some of your decent shield nano gangs. Between the amount of time it takes to form the fleet, the constant gibberish on comms, and the final outcome (either blueballed or blobbed) , I personally make the decision to stick to smaller gang pew because I find it more fun and challenging. And quite frankly, less of a hassle.

I wish you luck in nullsec. But I don't think much will change for your alliance. You may get some bigger fights but many of your pilots will simply learn to be F1 monkeys rather than excellent small gang PVPers. You'll come back to Cal Mil and nothing will change.

And now they know about the daily plexing strategy meetings. Dude. Next you'll blow the whistle on the weekly meeting with pirates, and the every Tuesday ccp gallente hosted meeting where we sip mojitos and play world of tanks while cackling at the squids.

I didn't want to post this yet, but here we go.

People discuss stats without knowing what they are talking about.

Here is the Fac War stats raw off the feed: http://facwarstats.appspot.com/

This was the stats I built my spreadsheet that I posted here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai-Di2DS6zcTdFktVjhWVFU2bVJjb2syd2hybUhIMkE#gid=0

As you can see, there are more Caldari then Gallente. If you cannot motivate or work with the people you DO have, that is a failure of leadership, not recruiting.

I really hope Happy Endings stay, I HOPE Caldari use this as a rallying point, instead of a chance to make excuses and wine. When Gallente was "behind" we HTFU and banded together. The results is what you see today. We are not that difficult to stop I promise, we have done some boneheaded things too.

But most of all, please stop using numbers as an excuse. I was ganked the other day 3 v probably around 15 by Caldari who all boasted how leet they are. Ganks are ganks, fights are fights.

I HOPE Caldari use this as a rallying point, instead of a chance to make excuses and wine. When Gallente was "behind" we HTFU and banded together.

Wonder if anyone's ever tried to apply theories of combat fatigue to a videogame.

(snip)

The application would be a bit of a stretch since it's, well, a video game. People play video games for enjoyment and to unwind. Relatively few people experience moral qualms about doing violence to pixels. Death is a transitory game state rather than an existential end that heightens stress levels. You can stop playing at any time.

If people 'burn out' of EVE, it's generally because they get tired of the game, not because of stress-induced mental breakdown. Often, they come back after playing other games.

Except I've seen Damar say he hates factional warfare and isn't playing for fun - if this is true, then maybe he's staying out of some sense of loyalty, and his behaviour over the years is possibly some kind of virtual stress induced mental breakdown?

I mean, US soldiers get this, and they are a volunteer army. It's not a completely implausible explanation.

Then again, I Am Not A Psychologist, but I thought the point that he doesn't actually seem to play for fun may be relevant since you do seem to know what you are talking about.

The numbers aren't a excuse they are fact just live in Black Rise for a month and actually look at gangs going around from caldari and gal's. There is a huge difference, you keep pulling numbers off a chart and ill say it again they are not actual numbers. The numbers you have provided just show the amount of people in a certain militia not the amount of active pvpers in low sec.

7. I've never been to null sec, what should I expect? There are some key differences that will be addressed in forthcoming mails and instructional fleets, stay tuned. As a PvP'er you will be pleased to find that the fights we have had in Black Rise are likely MUCH more difficult than those we will be encountering at our destination. To be blunt, I personally feel safer in null sec than low sec.

The numbers aren't a excuse they are fact just live in Black Rise for a month and actually look at gangs going around from caldari and gal's. There is a huge difference, you keep pulling numbers off a chart and ill say it again they are not actual numbers. The numbers you have provided just show the amount of people in a certain militia not the amount of active pvpers in low sec.

I dont usually post but was following this thread and thought of adding my 2 cents..

I am not speaking on behalf of my alliance but just as an EVE player whos only been playing Since March 2012.
I think FW is great and it has defenitly been fun. The main reason I joined was to PVP and there is defenitly a lot of it.
With the recent changes to FW you cant deny that there is a differnce in active GAL and CAL militia numbers (ACTIVE).
The guys that I fly with are not in FW to make ISK so we usually get on and try to get some good fights. Everyone knows where
we are based out off and in all honestly it was pretty good till a few weeks ago. Besides our alliance members it seems like
everyones dropped out of Cal mil or has just become in active. One alliance alone cant flip systems or try to maintain any sort of balance. Maye this is the reason other alliances also left FW but I cant be sure. For anyone that says GAL MIL hasnt grown is on
drugs. I am also pretty sure that a lot of CAL MIL guys created GAL alts to take advantage of the T4 LP. I have never seen so many active GAL militia members since I have been playing (Only a few months I know). For eg. yesterday evening I went to every plex in Rakapas, PYNE, Retisato each one has 2-3 gals running it. While before the patch we would wait outside NEN station for hours to get a fight. At some point you realize its just not worth loosing your ship and you dock back up and I think thats the current state of CAL Mil the ones that stuck around dont see the benefit of giving GAL's easy kills. I think this will remain the case until CAL Mil grows again or GAL's hit T5 and get bored of farming.

Anways its still fun though I might have to make some ISK if I want to keep loosing ships :)

Fly Safe.

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The application would be a bit of a stretch since it's, well, a video game. People play video games for enjoyment and to unwind.

Does the article say anything more than one side got handed Tier 4 then FW was changed so that offensive plexing was hard but defensive plexing was real easy so nothing happened until Retribution which was so farmer friendly that it is back to farmville again.

Because that is really what is happening. Anyone can say whatever they want (it's fun to troll!) but both Gallente and Caldari pvp segments of the militia pale in comparison to the farmer segment. When old FW was in full effect both Caldari and Gallente could not hold onto systems because of farmers and it is back to that.

It will be interesting to see what happens next. My gallente friends are a bit worried that fights will start to dry up if caldari hit t1 because they won't have isk to use for whelp fleets and they won't fight for plex since they are meaningless at t1 or caldari corps will just bail. Kind of reminds me of 0.0 sov wars, a lot of territory changes hands in a short period of time but no real epic fights to talk about. I thought we were trying to get away from that...

Holy Sh*t Kraken's on tv!!!!!!!!

In all seriousness gents, lets not try and escalate the drama over an internet spaceship game shall we? :P

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Its been a real pleasure fighting with / against you fellas. You gave us a hell of a show.

We'll miss you allot.

Fly Dangerously,

Aram

For the sake of my own mental health, I have avoided looking too deeply into the phenomenon of Damar Rocarion. There are pathos at work here, the investigation of which will lead one down a dark and uncertain path.

Better to accept that Damar exists, that the yawning chasm of the universe is vast enough to produce such things, and that, at any given time, Damar is orbiting a button somewhere.

That's because Gallente corporations and alliances tend to stay in FW whereas Caldari use FW as a stepping stone to 0.0 boredom. I'm sure you know of a few corporations and alliances that have bailed for "greener" pastures. See ya.

See this all the time. Then they get bored in null after a few weeks and lose 50% of their members.
Hoping a lot more Kraken dudes drop corp/alliance to stay in FW.






Don't wanna leave fw ??
Apply to ASIO. or CERBY today.

No way cerby is coming back?? That will be interesting to see how things turn out.

Ill reference my guys towards your way if they get bored in null.

Take care of soul-on-ice for me :P He's an excellent pilot.

Good luck to you all o/

I'll try and explain why Gallente are closer than other militias. First cause is pretty obvious. A fair few of the pilots are around sice FW was introduced, or soon after. We don't always see eye to eye, we form pacts, we implode in to a sea of forum drama, we form alliances, we break in to a sea of forum drama, but at the end of the day the trust and respect generated by 3-4 years of flying together are still there. How same group of ppl managed to stick to FW for 3-4 years, that's another question and prolly has different answers if you ask different people.

As for beeing outnumbered, if it is, as you present it, a matter of choice, fair nuff, you choose to get more fights by beeing outnumbered, no problem. However I see people like Pred complaining about beeing outnumbered 2:1 . If that is or is not reality is actually pretty irrelevant. I stated often on these forums and I'll state it again, contrary to what some ppl belive, Eve is in fact an MMO not a fancy version of Space Invaders (arcade spaceship shooter). The mechanic where people have to constitute in groups in order to win is intended, not some side effect. Working to aquire assets, manpower and establish relationships is at least as important as what you do on grid. So long story short, if you feel you are outnumbered, better start recruiting or looking for blues. Or get some assets that can be used as force multipliers.

Last but not least, the issue of the ninja patch. Honestly, when I saw the patch notes that day, I thought we were uterrly screwed. While when the patch hit most systems were gallente, they were also for the vast majority (maybe 60 of them ?) in a vulnerable status. A fleet of 40 blaster nagas split in 2 groups plus 5 dreads to do the backwater systems would've flipped 3 systems every 5 minutes (let's say every 10 minutes with moving and such) . That would mean 18 systems/hr. In 3 hours you could have flipped everything, maybe except 2-3 systems that would have been deplexed in that time. CCP didn't screw you over, it gave you a great chance, but the lack of reaction was fatal. While our guys were spamming all comms and channels for numbers to deplex, your guys were prolly cursing in Iceland's direction, not realising that 3-4 hrs of effort would have insured them total domination of the occupancy war for the forseeable future.

Just to reiterate: any analysis of the Black Rise war zone that doesn't account for the local nullsec-caliber pirate fleets with Titan support is missing a major part of the big picture.

They sort of cancel out since there are no current blues that i know of between gallente and local piwates. Actually, thats not exactly true, dnd are blue with fate. But fate generally attack all other gallente and i assume caldari.

I remember a few months ago things were very different. Getting a fight was difficult because most Gallente forces were, if not out manned, out classed by more organized fleets. This is, in part, why Caldari are not as close knit as Gallente. To consistently get fights you must have smaller fleets than your opponent. A few weeks ago is a perfect example, there was a 17 man Kraken fleet and a 9 man HE fleet who do you think the eve radio fleet engaged?
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When FW first got changed you had a lot of interest from corps and alliances, HE included. Now, with the swing of the pendulum, many of those new entities are leaving because they donGÇÖt have much vested interest in it. This isnGÇÖt directed at Kraken. just a generalization of how I see things unfolding currently. The NATZ is most affected by this and is where I see most of the complaining, from both sides, coming from. The EUTZ, while not as close as Gallente, are veterans of FW and from that time together are a closer group that were quite effective in the weeks leading up to the last patch capturing a system nearly by themselves.

Last but not least, the issue of the ninja patch. Honestly, when I saw the patch notes that day, I thought we were uterrly screwed. While when the patch hit most systems were gallente, they were also for the vast majority (maybe 60 of them ?) in a vulnerable status. A fleet of 40 blaster nagas split in 2 groups plus 5 dreads to do the backwater systems would've flipped 3 systems every 5 minutes (let's say every 10 minutes with moving and such) . That would mean 18 systems/hr. In 3 hours you could have flipped everything, maybe except 2-3 systems that would have been deplexed in that time. CCP didn't screw you over, it gave you a great chance, but the lack of reaction was fatal. While our guys were spamming all comms and channels for numbers to deplex, your guys were prolly cursing in Iceland's direction, not realising that 3-4 hrs of effort would have insured them total domination of the occupancy war for the forseeable future.

Instead Cal Mil listened to Damar's whine that it was so unfair and did not see the incredible opportunity it presented and react accordingly. The regions would have looked so different had you gone a bunker binge. Twice I can recall wiping myself out over a few days to bust bunkers for the lp cash in under the now old system. It was unpleasant either way but we did it. Cal mil needed to react with a push. They didn't and that's why things look the way they look now. Damar's conspiracy delusions got you ******

....me as a guy who likes to lurk near elementary schools while driving an unmarked, windowless van.

After all, forums are just another warfront as has been proven with your constant pr-campaign since 2009 labeling all Caldari as exploiters and me as a guy who likes to lurk near elementary schools while driving an unmarked, windowless van.

I am going to go ahead and say that, at least today, this is in poor taste.

Remember a few months ago when the Caldari had the upper hand?

The Gallente were all raging about how broken FW was and putting alts in the Calmil to hasten the downfall of FWarmville. Wait, that's not right...

I'm baffled why you guys keep trying to portray Gallente mil as some kind of blobbing entity that is ruling the roost. The only time we can really blob is Friday nights with the eve radio roams. Half the time with that we in our usual frigate and dessy swarms. That you choose to engage us in heavier stuff is great, props for doing so. On most nights though it is HE out in BC with logi and/or ewar group of 15-30. That same size is pretty much what we roll in.

I assumed as much. I mostly said that to prevent any further landslide of that train of thought.

Of course Ankh (from CSM and Gal militia) was happy enough to dance on my brothers grave and wished I would join him there with all necessary haste so she could get back to plexing. Didnt see your militia raise much objections to those comments either.

I am going to go ahead and say that, at least today, this is in poor taste.