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rememberme
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Posted - 2005.05.18 04:44:00 -
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Moved from EVE General Discussion to Market Discussions - Jacques
I have been observing the mkt price fluctuating for Raven BPC before and after the patch.
Before the patch, they are selling on an average of 6mil each and even went to 9mil for higher ME. Demands for Raven are high as i can see from the market chart.
After the patch, the prices drop arange between 3-6mil.
Ok, with all the events (wars, alliance and such) and increase of suppliers for Raven BPC in the market, could be a contribution to the bpc price drop. But, even with the drop in bpc prices, the price for a Raven BS is still floating in the same range as before the patch and demands are still there. I have checked the prices for minerals and they too are floating in the same price range.
So my question is, if Raven and Minerals prices are floating in a constant price range, and that demands for Raven is still in market, why did the bpc prices drop so much.
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MutationZ
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Posted - 2005.05.18 05:10:00 -
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Labslots=cheaper
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Cobracure
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Posted - 2005.05.18 08:52:00 -
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Two Words
Missile Nerf.
(You will also notice how Arbalest Sieges are down 15 odd million too)
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ollobrains
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Posted - 2005.05.18 09:00:00 -
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Lol mineral prices have stabilised - more labs slots is another one (well not in 0.0 space so much). If missile changes go through of course you will see price movements.
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Genevieve Blue
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Posted - 2005.05.18 09:15:00 -
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Edited by: Genevieve Blue on 18/05/2005 09:17:42
Sorry Ollo, but mineral prices won't affect the Raven bpc value. At least, not without equally affecting everything on the market, because it has no particular mineral requirements that would make it uniquely affected.
But yes, increased lab slot availablilty and the impending balance of missiles has reduced the popularity of the Raven. People are starting to realise it won't be the run away winner for soloing level 4 missions anymore, so they don't need to build as many.
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As an interesting side note, many people pay stupid prices for higher ME versions of bpcs when the mineral savings they make over the cheaper, lower ME prints is often relatively small. In many cases in the past, I've seen buyers pay 1-2m more for a cost saving in building of only a few hundred thousand isk worth.
EVE is full of people that don't know the value of goods, I love it. 
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.05.18 09:56:00 -
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The above is probaly true.
People pay way over the odds for nominal gains, that in practical terms are near useless. Something that i was debating with my ceo this morning.
Though in saying, ravens arn't that, the exact mirror in fact, and everything that goes with them.
Everything that made life easier while flying a raven on misions got a mark up in price, pdu2, named siege/boosters ect.. all of it.
No suprise in the decline.. nerf wasn't upcoming, id have gone crazy myself and bashed up 350 million for that caldari navy booster i saw on escrow the other night.
Practical terms.. probaly the difference between having to warp out and waste 20 minutes time getting back through deadspace.
Nerfs, or balance if you will, it will allways have an effect on prices.
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V2GBR
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Posted - 2005.05.18 10:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Cobracure
Two Words
Missile Nerf.
(You will also notice how Arbalest Sieges are down 15 odd million too)
ahmen
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Alyth
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Posted - 2005.05.18 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: MutationZ
Labslots=cheaper
Dingdingding we have a winner! My labslot cost in Oursurlaert has been decreasing by about a million every cycle, this in turn reduces my copying costs. Looks like battleship prices may start going down a bit in that respect....
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Mattduk
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Posted - 2005.05.18 10:57:00 -
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Cost of building hasn't changed because the demand for Raven's hasn't changed. It's the supply of Raven BPCs by the sounds of things.
More BPCs on the market means the vendors have to price compete to sell them. Hence, lower price of BPC. This in isolation will have no effect on the value of the minerals requried to build the Raven.
A small drop in price of 5 million or so for the bpc is not a significant drop to seriously affect the overall cost of building the Raven, therefore the market price of the Raven is not significantly effected. At least not in the short term. In the long term, depending on competition forces, the price of the raven should drop if a factor of it's cost drops, assuming all other factors remain equal, competition, supply, demand, mineral prices.
wrote that every quickly, hope it makes sense :)
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Voltex
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Posted - 2005.05.18 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Cobracure
Two Words
Missile Nerf.
(You will also notice how Arbalest Sieges are down 15 odd million too)
Ravens will still be uber with the missle nerf in place, all it takes is some missle training to get the damage up on the frigs ( if pos ) or its just a very simple task of instead of having 6 siege with torps have 5 siege and a heavy or even 5 siege and a standard, thus still doing uber damage on frigs, Also Arbs can still be sold for 60mill it dont matter that missles wont be as good after patch, the people that use the missles will still want the best Launcher, i.e Arb Siege etc etc
'Your 250mm Carbide completely misses Guristas Annihilator, Doing 0 damage'
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Alyth
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Posted - 2005.05.18 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Voltex
Originally by: Cobracure
Two Words
Missile Nerf.
(You will also notice how Arbalest Sieges are down 15 odd million too)
Ravens will still be uber with the missle nerf in place, all it takes is some missle training to get the damage up on the frigs ( if pos ) or its just a very simple task of instead of having 6 siege with torps have 5 siege and a heavy or even 5 siege and a standard, thus still doing uber damage on frigs, Also Arbs can still be sold for 60mill it dont matter that missles wont be as good after patch, the people that use the missles will still want the best Launcher, i.e Arb Siege etc etc
A cruise missile at level 1 with web and target painter does more damage than a torp at level 3 with the web and painter vs frigs. I for one will be using them over torps for the higher normalised damage. That and they are so much cheaper than torps both in ammo and launcher costs.
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WhiteTiger
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Posted - 2005.05.18 13:47:00 -
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You can't just look at the market, many people that buy bpcs build ships for their own use. If you compare the Raven BPC to all other BS BPC they where and still are way more expensive, however the BPO and labslot prices are the same. The answer is that the Raven is the super mission runner, the demand for bpc was high as very player wanted a bpc to make their own mission machine... and replace it when they got pwned the first hard lvl4 mission. Now the lvl4 missions have been out long enough most people have their mission machines and have figured out how not to lose them. The demand has gone down and likely at the same time more Raven bpos increase the supply.
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Voltex
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Posted - 2005.05.18 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Alyth
Originally by: Voltex
Originally by: Cobracure
Two Words
Missile Nerf.
(You will also notice how Arbalest Sieges are down 15 odd million too)
Ravens will still be uber with the missle nerf in place, all it takes is some missle training to get the damage up on the frigs ( if pos ) or its just a very simple task of instead of having 6 siege with torps have 5 siege and a heavy or even 5 siege and a standard, thus still doing uber damage on frigs, Also Arbs can still be sold for 60mill it dont matter that missles wont be as good after patch, the people that use the missles will still want the best Launcher, i.e Arb Siege etc etc
A cruise missile at level 1 with web and target painter does more damage than a torp at level 3 with the web and painter vs frigs. I for one will be using them over torps for the higher normalised damage. That and they are so much cheaper than torps both in ammo and launcher costs.
Ooops yeh i forgot about Cruise, Well it that case its 5 siege and 1 cruise for me :D Cos the cruise will be as before = crap damage on BS
'Your 250mm Carbide completely misses Guristas Annihilator, Doing 0 damage'
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Alyth
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Posted - 2005.05.18 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Voltex
Ooops yeh i forgot about Cruise, Well it that case its 5 siege and 1 cruise for me :D Cos the cruise will be as before = crap damage on BS
Cruise are awesome vs battleships.....on average I was doing 250 a hit vs resisted armour.....thants only about 70 less than I do with torps. I think it would work out cheaper to stick with the cruise.
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Aliksr
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Posted - 2005.05.18 21:32:00 -
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it's a delayed reaction
when raven bpcs spiked in prices more people invested in raven bpos but they take time to research so the resultant glut and oversupply has hit
a few months back tons of people were making noise about wanting researched raven BPOs
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