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Vito Tattaglia
New Paradigm Inc.
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Posted - 2012.12.15 03:45:00 -
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I'm talking about the measurements they use on Battleclinic, (as far as I know, that's the only big killboard that people actually look at) and which one is more important. Whenever you look at a Killboard, do you look at the pilot's Point score to see if it's positive, or at his KD ratio? |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
4406
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Posted - 2012.12.15 03:59:00 -
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the thing is to not have horrid fits or no one will hire you 
"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
285
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Posted - 2012.12.15 04:08:00 -
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For what purpose am I looking at this Killboard?
If I'm recruiting, K/D and how terrible the losses were.
If I'm hunting, the K/D and what they usually fly and if there is a pattern to where as well.
If I'm admiring, the K/D and maybe their ranking. I'm also probably scanning for some lol-tastic kills that are sure to be on a board that I would be admiring. |
Shamus O'Reilly
Gungnirs' Point
I Know Right
10
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Posted - 2012.12.15 04:22:00 -
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Battleclinic i'd look at K/D lifetime and check fits. Points don't matter to me as a high amount of kills and average point ratio shows fleet kills while a mediocre amount of kills but a high point ratio shows more of the solo/duo style. It's the high amount of kills and high point ratio i worry about if they're my target or i'm theirs 
Eve Kill i look at enemy survival rate percentage and K/D. Efficiency means little other than how expensive a ship they will risk in order to kill (aside from if they have a terrible lossboard. If i see an effiency of say 30% but they have a K/D ratio of 10 to 1 i say they just had bad luck and lost a shiny) |
Cannibal Kane
Umkhonto We Sizwe
849
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Posted - 2012.12.15 04:36:00 -
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Don't Use BC....
Use EVE-Kill.
Efficiency is better. However when somebody wants to join just trying and loosing against superior ships will be enough for me to let them in. Since they are willing to go at it. Even against far better and stronger opponents.
I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
The Crazy Space Poor South African.
*Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
283
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Posted - 2012.12.15 04:57:00 -
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Efficiency is a ******** measure of Pvp quality..
I'm ******* terrible and i have like 97% this month.
The worst thing you can do in pvp is getting hung up on your efficiency or ratio.. I would go by the BC ranking as it rewards you for beating the odds (Killing big things with small things and so forth)
For example.. Noone would call Prom a bad pvper but his efficiency is god awful because he lacks the common sense not to solo in hac's all the time. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
4407
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Posted - 2012.12.15 04:58:00 -
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Yeah, I got a good thingamajig but I am god awful at PvP... haven't done it in a while with school and forums and such
"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Cannibal Kane
Umkhonto We Sizwe
850
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Posted - 2012.12.15 05:36:00 -
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Oh hey... look at that. According to BC I am ranked 790. Does not even have all my kills.
I need coffee...
I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
The Crazy Space Poor South African.
*Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it. |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
285
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Posted - 2012.12.15 06:37:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Oh hey... look at that. According to BC I am ranked 790. Does not even have all my kills.
I need coffee...
I'm going to go around liking all your posts. It seems that is all I do anymore while I'm in C&P. I am almost under 1k, and I continue to aspire. |
Sycotic Deninard
Polaris Breach Corp
27
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Posted - 2012.12.15 09:47:00 -
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Both boards have thier strengths and weaknesses.
After any patch or expansion, Battleclinic is retardedly slow in updating thier database and many kills dont get posted as a result. Even when you do register your API and the database is working correctly, it still misses kills for whatever reason. The site is not too bad for fits however, there are a lot of troll fits out there and the site lacks any creative way to analyse what fits players are really using in battle. The point system is nice however since the board isnt that reliable, the point system is not that meaningful.
Eve-kill is probably the one board that most people look at as it gives you information that is easier to navigate and usually has little problems with new changes CCP brings out. It doesnt have the Kill/Death ratio like Battleclinic however it does reveal a persons efficiency if thats what is important to you. Seeing Big Kills/Cap Kills and other types of kills are really what makes that board popular, something Battlecinic doesnt do.
If you really want to look at how good the pilot is at pvp, you have to look at both boards carefully and dig deep. Even then, don't rely on the boards to tell the true picture of how good of a pvpr a person is. I've seen a pilot that is top ranked on Battleclinic (Top 1k range) with excellent efficiency ratings on Eve-kill and all the guy does is gank peoples pods in high sec. Neither board shows how many ships were lost from Concord and as a result, he has a distorted rank/efficiency.
I am kind of surprised that CCP doesnt have an in-game mechanic that keeps track of all this as its obviously apparent that the players are interested in it. If CCP did something like what Battleclinic and Eve Kill are doing, then I think the players would place more validity in it rather than what BC or EveKill are showing. Of course, those sites would probably die off and Im sure there is some sort of revenue generation going on thats in CCP's favor so don't hold your breath waiting for CCP to do this. You will never see it. |
Mortis Betruger
ROFLSTOMPERS
Gank for Profit
4
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Posted - 2012.12.15 11:11:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Don't Use BC....
Use EVE-Kill.
Efficiency is better. However when somebody wants to join just trying and loosing against superior ships will be enough for me to let them in. Since they are willing to go at it. Even against far better and stronger opponents.
Yes |
Reppyk
Yarrbear Inc.
BricK sQuAD.
225
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Posted - 2012.12.15 12:40:00 -
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Vito Tattaglia wrote:I'm talking about the measurements they use on Battleclinic, (as far as I know, that's the only big killboard that people actually look at) and which one is more important. Whenever you look at a Killboard, do you look at the pilot's Point score to see if it's positive, or at his KD ratio? I look at the cleavage. |
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
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Posted - 2012.12.15 13:49:00 -
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Neither.
K:D ratio is terrible because those with the best ratio are the blobbing F1 warriors who can't think for themselves. Actually the same is true for efficiency.
Dig deeper. Look for patterns if what they fly, who they fly with, and what they are willing to fly against with what degree of success. How often they get in fights is also telling. These same things are relevant whether you are recruiting or sizing up targets.
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Rotseib Ratam
Blatant Tax Avoidance
0
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Posted - 2012.12.15 13:55:00 -
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***** size.
Obviously. |
Maximus Reborn
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.12.15 18:02:00 -
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Vito Tattaglia wrote:I'm talking about the measurements they use on Battleclinic, (as far as I know, that's the only big killboard that people actually look at) and which one is more important. Whenever you look at a Killboard, do you look at the pilot's Point score to see if it's positive, or at his KD ratio?
wait people still use battleclinic? |
Michael Harari
The Hatchery
Team Liquid
403
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Posted - 2012.12.15 19:10:00 -
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Efficiency is massively inflated by flying with other people/corps.
Imagine two gangs. Gang A is composed entirely of Corp1. They have 4 drakes.
Gang B is composed of Corp2, Corp3, Corp4, Corp5. They also have 4 drakes.
Now lets say gang A loses 2 drakes and kills all 4 drakes in gang B.
Each corp/person in gang B has positive k/d and positive efficiency (since they got 2 drake kills in exchange for 1 drake loss), but they obviously got smashed in that fight. |
Dewa Cinta
painkiller.
0
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Posted - 2012.12.16 00:17:00 -
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You just gotta look at the kills and losses.
The numbers don't really matter imo. |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
374
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Posted - 2012.12.16 01:02:00 -
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Quality
Every dumbo can press F12345 when his master tells him to do, but only the good people are the master. You can tell by long history of kills & losses.
CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1416
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Posted - 2012.12.16 03:27:00 -
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Value of modules dropped.
It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's. |
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