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Kuro Bon Running with Knives Nexus Fleet 22	Posted - 2012.12.15 05:58:00 - [1] - Quote I came upon one of these 500 dps blaster daredevils recently, and I'm racking my brain trying to come up with any counter for this imbalanced monster.. Quote: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/32823-Daredevil-505-DPS-972-Alpha-0-0-Station-Ganker.html 505 dps / 972 alpha if you have the +5% to small hybrid and to all turrets http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Daredevil Special Ability: 200% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage Gallente Frigate Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret falloff per level Minmatar Frigate Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to the velocity factor of stasis webifiers per level 1) I can't find another frigate that can put out (or tank) 500 dps at any range. 2) With the Daredevil's web effectiveness bonus, web-to-web you lose 3) warp scramming him outside of web-range (and his weapon range) seems like an option. Is it possible/practical to engage and keep him inside the gap between faction-web (15k) and faction-scram (30k) ? Seems it would require AB and high agility so you could 'keep at 20k' and allow the keep-at mechanics to do the work. You'd also need a ship with faster AB boosted speed than the daredevil (since he's going to warp scram you too) and which can dps from 20k, which doesn't leave many options. AB+scram speed+missile fit Claw? http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/64492/what-is-the-fastest-frigate-in-eve-after-fittings-and-skills 4) just run when you see a daredevil? 5) fit your own blaster DD and be careful not to get that costly fit popped by a gang? 100M ISK per hour is about $3US an hour. -áIt's more efficient to work at starbucks.-á Playing the game doesn't advance skills, kinda like ProgressQuest.
Zoltan Lazar 8	Posted - 2012.12.15 06:39:00 - [2] - Quote Rapier or huginn? If you mean frigates only, (which is implied but not stated) then get an arty wolf. If you want pure brawl, a harpy can easily put out very close to as much DPS while having some 15k EHP. While costing only 1/6th the price. That's actually a pretty bad daredevil fit. It's far (far far far) too expensive, has almost no tank, and can't even go that fast. Daredevil should always have MWD, since then you're faster than and can catch kiting frigates, while once in scram range your 90% web keeps you even speed with AB people.
Abyssum Invocat Justified Chaos 47	Posted - 2012.12.15 07:16:00 - [3] - Quote A dual MASB hawk would absolutely trounce that fit without even crystals or blue pill. Turn on both boosters, overheat launchers, and scoop the shiny loot. Don't think about these things just in terms of, "well this ship does the most damage". Look at the type of damage it does. Blasters do a combination of kinetic and thermal, so find a race with good T2 resists for those (like the hawk). Alternatively, I'd wager a shield gank algos could brawl that thing down while hardly breaking a sweat, but it's not a frigate.
Cedo Nulli Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 272	Posted - 2012.12.15 07:23:00 - [4] - Quote On personal experience only 1/5 Daredevils actually fly without OGB. Soloing one is going to be an uphill battle to begin with ...
Zoltan Lazar 9	Posted - 2012.12.15 07:27:00 - [5] - Quote Cedo Nulli wrote: On personal experience only 1/5 Daredevils actually fly without OGB. Soloing one is going to be an uphill battle to begin with ... What exactly will an OGB help him with here? People talk about OGBs as if they're some magical instawin button. FIrst of all, it's very easy to detect an OGB. Second of all, both my suggestion and Invocat's suggestion would still be able to beat that daredevil.
W0lf Crendraven The Tuskers 19	Posted - 2012.12.15 07:32:00 - [6] - Quote Enyo does similar dps with twice the ehp, catalyst does more dps with more ehp. Harpy/hawk/vengeance/retribution/wolf should all win. Coercer would win aswell. As would a condor/kestrel/hookbill. Fit rails if you want to fly a daredevil, they suck with blastes! If you has links you could just use a merlin or an incursus! Thats just frigates/dessies btw. Cruiser would win even easier!
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 1224	Posted - 2012.12.15 08:10:00 - [7] - Quote There is no tank on that thing. Alpha him with artys when he's appraching. A Wolf will do the trick nicely. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
Silk daShocka Greasy Hair Club 173	Posted - 2012.12.15 08:33:00 - [8] - Quote Tackle him with a keres then call your friends from next door to come get some loot? Or, ya know, just use one of the assault frigs mentioned above.
Jerick Ludhowe The Nyan Cat Pirates Nyanpire 242	Posted - 2012.12.15 08:46:00 - [9] - Quote W0lf Crendraven wrote: Enyo does similar dps with twice the ehp, If you look at the ehp vs kin/therm the enyo ends up having even more ehp than you've suggested. As you've stated, the enyo can easily kill a daredevil.
W0lf Crendraven The Tuskers 19	Posted - 2012.12.15 08:52:00 - [10] - Quote Silk daShocka wrote: Tackle him with a keres then call your friends from next door to come get some loot? Or, ya know, just use one of the assault frigs mentioned above. A keres doesnt even need friends, as it cap stable with 3 damps mwd and longpoint you can just put damps on the daredevil (putting its lockrange to 3km), keep at range 25km and slowly kill it.

Veshta Yoshida PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 404	Posted - 2012.12.15 09:35:00 - [11] - Quote The DD has been top of the frigate pile since the pirate revamp; it has excellent slot layout, great bonuses and awesome characteristics in general. They can be countered but you have to bring your a-game even against mediocre pilots .. they are as (or more) powerful than pre-adjustment Dramiels but have always been 'balanced' due to having to commit and being subject to limitations shared by all hybrid platforms. Neut it, TD it and/or attempt to jam it. Do not rely on webs (even dual) as the recent T2 ammo changes made blasters an effective weapon in (almost) the entire engagement sphere of 10km. Zoltan Lazar wrote: What exactly will an OGB help him with here? People talk about OGBs as if they're some magical instawin button. FIrst of all, it's very easy to detect an OGB. Second of all, both my suggestion and Invocat's suggestion would still be able to beat that daredevil. Boosters can lower signature, increase maneuverability, augment tank, harden against ECM but most devastating with regards to the topic at hand: they can increase web/scram range by a whopping 40% .. add heat and you are looking at a 90% web with close to 20km range. Magic instawin button, silver bullet .. call it what you will, fact is that if other side has it and you do not then every fight requires a Herculean effort.
Jo Kiyoko School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.12.15 13:28:00 - [12] - Quote I'd like to say webs with a hyena, and tear the onion bit by bit?
Jack Miton Aperture Harmonics K162 972	Posted - 2012.12.15 13:36:00 - [13] - Quote arty thrasher will probably volley it. or a griffin if you want a frig.
Grimpak Midnight Elites Echelon Rising 506	Posted - 2012.12.15 14:17:00 - [14] - Quote by the lords that's an horrible DD setup. too weak of a tank, (dmg control + C-type ANP's are awesome) you use a super-long range web with a super-short range weapon (it's a horrible thought yes, but a rail DD is very good and has a higher chance of survival), and that EM rig is... meh. DD's, while awesome damage machines, they work much better on the range-control paradigm instead of just pumping out damage. think of them as souped-up taranises whose role in a fleet is space superiority. for any kind of engagement you get while doing space superiority, at most 1 dmg mod + 1 T2 ROF rig is all the damage you'll ever need. rest of fitting space should go to maintain the rest of the characteristics of the ship (mobility, durability). and in solo work? a bit more reliance in mobility over durability. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img] [quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Gibbo5771 AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 61	Posted - 2012.12.15 15:33:00 - [15] - Quote Really? I have not had a problem with DD's since AF buff, in fact I have not even considered flying one since the AF buff. My harpy has 2.5x the EHP, same DPS, much more range, half the price tag. Same goes for most other AF's, the only thing that would truly have a problem with it 1v1 is a Jaguar due to the low DPS and lack luster resist profile to the damage being inflicted. In fairness, Faction/Pirate frigates got nerfed into the ground for solo nullsec, the only real reason to fly them is for some absurd challenge, as if being blobbed was not bad enough.
Syrias Bizniz Carnivore Company 46	Posted - 2012.12.15 16:28:00 - [16] - Quote Tripple Neut capinjected Sentinel. Tank doesn't really matter if you're 1v1, it takes 6 seconds and the daredevil is capped out. Neutrange is almost 19km with Meta 4.
Keith Gavner OBC SpaceMonkey's Alliance 6	Posted - 2012.12.15 17:10:00 - [17] - Quote This thing has no tank and is pretty shiny. Let the guy commits to the fight in a gallente af, and you will melt him. I personally love the ishkur in that regard as the drones will eat him real quick.
Kahega Amielden Rifterlings Damu'Khonde 528	Posted - 2012.12.15 19:09:00 - [18] - Quote an Enyo would almost certainly win in a 'fair' fight. A 500 DPS DD will have virtually no tank, whereas an Enyo can get 400 with multiple times the EHP with just a DCU.
Zarnak Wulf Imperial Outlaws 774	Posted - 2012.12.15 19:42:00 - [19] - Quote Is this in relation to FW? That is the one place where T2 frigates and destroyers can not reach inside novice plexes. DD are only competing with other faction an T1 frigates.
Garviel Tarrant Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 283	Posted - 2012.12.15 19:47:00 - [20] - Quote Zoltan Lazar wrote: If you mean frigates only, (which is implied but not stated) then get an arty wolf. If you want pure brawl, a harpy can easily put out very close to as much DPS while having some 15k EHP. While costing only 1/6th the price. The ****? no it can't.. But a 500dps DD has to be a notank shitfit so it can be killed by pretty much anything that has a tank.

Jasmine Shepard Relentless Destruction Suddenly Spaceships. 1	Posted - 2012.12.15 19:53:00 - [21] - Quote Honestly anything that can hit it would probably kill it because it has such a weak tank. If he orbits at 10k he's only gonna be doing ~300dps at that range which is still a lot but not nearly as bad as 500. Secondly, finding a DD pilot who is completely faction fit, especially faction damage mods, will probably be somewhat rare. Any dessy with good dps out to 10k should be able to handle this fairly well, anything with rockets and tank, or a nano frig that can kill it outside of web range. The biggest problem will be getting a DD this shiny to engage you. He'll know what can kill him and what he can kill so you come cruising in with a hawk he'll probably be pretty tentative to engage that. I like flying enyo's so what I would probably do against a DD is overheat mwd, load null, and try to get within damage application range for as long as possible. If I can get within ~5k for about 10-15 secs he'll be dead.
Taoist Dragon Forced Penetration Reckless Faith 90	Posted - 2012.12.15 20:43:00 - [22] - Quote DD's are not to much of an issue tbh if you start the fight prepared. I had one warp in on a plex I was running in my tormentor. He melted so quick I still had 1/3 armour left. The only time I worry about them is if i'm in a fast kitey frig and they are already inside the plex....but then again that goes for any 'brawler' type frig holding a plex. And I'll generally still warp in on them! some quick commands upon landing will give you a 50/50 chance of escaping their webs and once done you kan slowly kill them easily. That is the Way, the Tao. Balance is everything. I'm NOT a Pirate! I'm a privateer!
Kuro Bon Running with Knives Nexus Fleet 22	Posted - 2012.12.16 04:22:00 - [23] - Quote FYI - this guy wasn't sitting at range, he did a boomerang to get in close and get his blaster max vollys off. Thanks for the replies.. here are some thoughts... Dual MASB Hawk looks sweet. That would torch him if he stayed engaged. Can it hold him? It seems like he can close at-will because of his web bonus, and it also seems like his faster speed means he may be able to disengage at will. Though if he's committed to a flyby boomerang he should die. This Blarpy fit looks like a decent counter. More than enough EHP to make up for the slight dps disadvantage. If he boomerangs, i expect he'll go splat. What Arty Wolf fit would survive him? He's faster so he can dictate range, and his web is ridiculously boosted by that hull bonus, so basically he gets to fight at his 2k optimal at will. The Wolf fits I see are 150-200dps, and don't have enough EHP/tank to come out on top vs 500dps. What fit would you use? What Enyo fit can catch him? This high-dps-and-tank Enyo fit would survite him, but can it keep him in range? He has a massive web boost and faster speeds to boot. Griffin seems like a fun diceroll response. This super cheap 1M ISK Griffin Fit is pretty funny. If the jam lands it might just come out on top. 100M ISK per hour is about $3US an hour. -áIt's more efficient to work at starbucks.-á Playing the game doesn't advance skills, kinda like ProgressQuest.
Taoist Dragon Forced Penetration Reckless Faith 90	Posted - 2012.12.16 04:45:00 - [24] - Quote Kuro Bon wrote: FYI - this guy wasn't sitting at range, he did a boomerang to get in close and get his blaster max vollys off. Thanks for the replies.. here are some thoughts... Dual MASB Hawk looks sweet. That would torch him if he stayed engaged. Can it hold him? It seems like he can close at-will because of his web bonus, and it also seems like his faster speed means he may be able to disengage at will. Though if he's committed to a flyby boomerang he should die. This Blarpy fit looks like a decent counter. More than enough EHP to make up for the slight dps disadvantage. If he boomerangs, i expect he'll go splat. What Arty Wolf fit would survive him? He's faster so he can dictate range, and his web is ridiculously boosted by that hull bonus, so basically he gets to fight at his 2k optimal at will. The Wolf fits I see are 150-200dps, and don't have enough EHP/tank to come out on top vs 500dps. What fit would you use? What Enyo fit can catch him? This high-dps-and-tank Enyo fit would survite him, but can it keep him in range? He has a massive web boost and faster speeds to boot. Griffin seems like a fun diceroll response. This super cheap 1M ISK Griffin Fit is pretty funny. If the jam lands it might just come out on top. bear in mind that wolves put out some silly alpha. so a couple of hits at range pretty much pops any DD. As with most kitey/alpha frig setups if you get scrammed you are bugger anyway. Seriously though the DPS a DD puts out is nasty they die pretty easily tbh as if they are the pure dps fit they have naff all tank so it mean you can kill them before they burn you down. It's the rail DD's that are the nastiest ones. Range dictation, speed and some tank make them a tough. That is the Way, the Tao. Balance is everything. I'm NOT a Pirate! I'm a privateer!
Dzajic 65	Posted - 2012.12.16 15:51:00 - [25] - Quote And now consider "novice" FW plexes wher DD can enter but no T2 frigs can. Completely balanced. Btw I don't think you will find anyone flying a DD as pimped as OP one without links. Few are that crazy.
Kuro Bon Running with Knives Nexus Fleet 22	Posted - 2012.12.16 16:06:00 - [26] - Quote Dzajic wrote: And now consider "novice" FW plexes wher DD can enter but no T2 frigs can. Completely balanced. Right, I completely forgot.. this is for Novice FW sites, so basically all the suggested T2 frig fits are bunk. From the Retribution patch notes.. Quote: GÇ£MinorGÇ¥ complexes have been renamed GÇ£noviceGÇ¥ and now only accept tech1 frigates only (including navy or pirate - no tech2 variants allowed) So in a Novice FW site, how do you top/survive a DD? Come with your own DD? Run? That ECM Griffin might be fun to try. 100M ISK per hour is about $3US an hour. -áIt's more efficient to work at starbucks.-á Playing the game doesn't advance skills, kinda like ProgressQuest.
Garr Earthbender Justified Chaos 84	Posted - 2012.12.16 16:48:00 - [27] - Quote Yeah, just remember that this DD can fit into a novice plex (T1 frigates and faction/pirate frigates only). -Rock is overpowered, Scissors is fine.
Dzajic 65	Posted - 2012.12.16 17:21:00 - [28] - Quote Died to every single DD I ever met, though last one died 10 sec later. But that was rail dd with very little pimp so not relevant to discussion. Anyway, just wild guessing, maybe one of rebalanced Amarr frigs? Or maybe dual MASB or MASB+invul Merlin? You cant outdps the DD, so you have to outtank it and outlast it.
Maeltstome The Burning Red 144	Posted - 2012.12.16 19:38:00 - [29] - Quote Zoltan Lazar wrote: Cedo Nulli wrote: On personal experience only 1/5 Daredevils actually fly without OGB. Soloing one is going to be an uphill battle to begin with ... What exactly will an OGB help him with here? People talk about OGBs as if they're some magical instawin button. FIrst of all, it's very easy to detect an OGB. Second of all, both my suggestion and Invocat's suggestion would still be able to beat that daredevil. OGB's will give hima 20km web if he has a factinon web. You're only reliable option is to fly an interceptor with disruptor range bonus, and pull him apart from well outside his effective damage range. A Condor is another possible option.
Zarnak Wulf Imperial Outlaws 775	Posted - 2012.12.17 00:31:00 - [30] - Quote DD is not the only ship that can have OGB. I've been having a blast with a 400mm plate Tristan. I've killed just about every other tech one frigate out there with it. I've also claimed a DD or two in it as well as a Jaguar.

Cage Man Evil Guinea Pigs 41	Posted - 2012.12.17 02:15:00 - [31] - Quote What about a succubus with a neut? or a armor repped punisher or asb merlin, maybe a worm with warriors, just some random thoughts. But as said above, anyone in a faction ship is not really solo as they will have off grid boosting..
M1k3y Koontz Blackened Skies 73	Posted - 2012.12.17 03:05:00 - [32] - Quote 500 DPS daredevil? Shoot it once. If they managed to pack enough magstabs on there to get it 500 DPS its tank probably consists of a damage control... How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
W0lf Crendraven The Tuskers 20	Posted - 2012.12.17 04:29:00 - [33] - Quote You edited the novice thing in later! Still a linked incursus/merlin would win! (as would a pimped dramiel) Condor has a shot aswell (land, heat mwd, aply dualdamps hope you got away more than the few km he has lockrange left). Otherwise if you are inside and he comes for you a raildevil will win comfortably!
Silas Shaw Coffee Hub 32	Posted - 2012.12.17 04:59:00 - [34] - Quote im gonna go with the: get a hookbill with double TDs. or the: get a firetail with arty and double TDs. you may not be able to force him to stay and play, but he's not likely to get you either. and hey, maybe he REALLY wants to keep trying. ;p
W0lf Crendraven The Tuskers 20	Posted - 2012.12.17 05:56:00 - [35] - Quote Silas Shaw wrote: im gonna go with the: get a hookbill with double TDs. or the: get a firetail with arty and double TDs. you may not be able to force him to stay and play, but he's not likely to get you either. and hey, maybe he REALLY wants to keep trying. ;p problem with that is that hes on zero when the fight starts and that he has a 27km 90% web.
Taoist Dragon Forced Penetration Reckless Faith 91	Posted - 2012.12.17 06:20:00 - [36] - Quote dual web armour merlin! Now lets see how quickly the gimp fitted 500dps DD goes down!! That is the Way, the Tao. Balance is everything. I'm NOT a Pirate! I'm a privateer!
Gal'o Sengen State War Academy Caldari State 29	Posted - 2012.12.17 08:26:00 - [37] - Quote Assuming he's sitting directly on the beacon, there's nothing tech 1 Frigate sized that's going to pop it before it dies, and anything it can't kill it can run away from.
Katran Luftschreck Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 259	Posted - 2012.12.17 09:08:00 - [38] - Quote Bring twenty friends along in whatever and educate him as to how PvP in EvE really works. EvE Forum Bingo
Thomas Gore State Protectorate Caldari State 28	Posted - 2012.12.17 09:13:00 - [39] - Quote Katran Luftschreck wrote: Bring twenty friends along in whatever and educate him as to how PvP in EvE really works. Hehe. So true :)
Hidden Snake Genco Fatal Ascension 167	Posted - 2012.12.17 10:27:00 - [40] - Quote dual web hookbil .... same web, scram MSE and 120 dps with rockets ... keep at 10 km with overheated webs and scram ... he will be dead in water during first 10 secs. dual web 400mm rocket plate kestrel do the same business and u will have hilarious moment of tears in local from him. but if yo ucannot fit t2 these ships dont go against competent dd pilot. IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free?>>>????-áPublic ch.: Basterds on vacation Hans resign from CSM!

W0lf Crendraven The Tuskers 20	Posted - 2012.12.17 18:27:00 - [41] - Quote Hidden Snake wrote: dual web hookbil .... same web, scram MSE and 120 dps with rockets ... keep at 10 km with overheated webs and scram ... he will be dead in water during first 10 secs. dual web 400mm rocket plate kestrel do the same business and u will have hilarious moment of tears in local from him. but if yo ucannot fit t2 these ships dont go against competent dd pilot. You do realize that the daredevil is faster than the hookbill and also has 3 non stacking penalized webs?
God's Apples The Tuskers 32	Posted - 2012.12.17 22:16:00 - [42] - Quote W0lf stop being right all the time. I would try something not terrible like people are suggesting such as a maulus for example which will own his lock range and you will destroy him with your warriors which will go in and out of his lock range. Or a slicer because by the time he reaches you he'll probably be dead.
Reuqh Dew The Forsworn Protectorate Imperial Protectorate 17	Posted - 2012.12.18 16:32:00 - [43] - Quote [Maulus, get dat dd] Damage Control II Drone Damage Amplifier II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script 125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Tungsten Charge S 125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Tungsten Charge S Small Inverted Signal Field Projector I Small Semiconductor Memory Cell I Small Semiconductor Memory Cell I Warrior II x4
Kuro Bon Running with Knives Nexus Fleet 24	Posted - 2012.12.19 00:11:00 - [44] - Quote Malus fit looks interesting.... Why the MWD instead of AB? I presume you will both be warp-scrammed immediately. Seems better to fit an AB. No? 100M ISK per hour is about $3US an hour. -áIt's more efficient to work at starbucks.-á Playing the game doesn't advance skills, kinda like ProgressQuest.
W0lf Crendraven The Tuskers 20	Posted - 2012.12.19 00:34:00 - [45] - Quote Because the only way for him to win is to get enough range, dd locking range is terrible so if he manages to get 8 or so km off the daredevil he will be outside its dampened lockrange were as he is faster he can slowly grind it down! Anything in scram range is slower anyways (except another daredevil or a cruor)!
Qolde An Eye For An Eye AN EYE F0R AN EYE 73	Posted - 2012.12.19 05:05:00 - [46] - Quote Cruor seems like it would easily take this setup out. He has no cap booster, and the cruor has equal webbing power. The DD still has a little speed, but probably wont be able to run his AB, the cruor will win with range. If someone craps in your sandbox: 1. Light it on fire 2. Grab your shovel 3. Throw it back at them.


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