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Cornelius Varus
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.15 14:26:00 -
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Well after three weeks in Eve I have to say I am really enjoying myself.
Thanks to all for the great advice I have been given so far.
I bought my first cruiser, an Omen, and it is working out great for running L2 missions. I am not a huge mission guy, but it is a nice break from exploring sometimes and I figure the loyalty points can't hurt for ammo etc.
I love my Magnate for exploration and was thinking I would do an all in one with the Omen, and eventually an arbitrator. So far I am following J'Poll's advice though and scanning down the sites with my Mag and then running them with my cruiser.
I have discovered I like flying the smaller ships a lot more than the big ones. Also the running back and forth between ships is kind of a pain as well.
Lastly I kind of prefer just looking for the radar and mag sites and don't enjoy the combat ones as much.
Can I be a self respecting explorer by just focusing on radar and mag and blowing off the rest? If so can I run these in low sec just with a Magnate, or do the rats that pop at these sites sometimes, just get too hard?
I was thinking I would do drones with an Arb, but not sure I want to focus on Drones but instead may want to train up my lasers skill some more. I have both gunnery and drones trained to level 4 as well as a bunch of support skills.
I'm thinking focusing more on lasers would be good for frigate pvp which I want to start once I make some more Isk.
TLDR Is it feasible to explore in low sec just focusing on radar and mag sites, and can I do it in just a Magnate?
Thanks much. |
Fractal Muse
Dead's Prostitutes
Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.12.15 15:32:00 -
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I checked some of the low sec sites (found at: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Magnetometric_Site_List and http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Radar_Site_List) then I looked at the most difficult of these sites (hardest to scan down) and found that you -might- be able to survive them in a magnate but it would be a really close thing.
You'd probably want to do them in another ship with a slightly better tank.
You could try the covert ops route (anathema for you) or you could go up to a cruiser.
Anyway, to answer your question, I think it would be doable if you pay a lot of attention and you don't get caught out with a web and warp scrambled. So... yes? But also maybe no? It's really that close depending how you fit the ship and where your skills are at and even with best skills I am still not sure how feasible it really is without trying it. :)
Since it's low sec, I would suggest going to a covert ops ship anyway for the additional survivability (from other players) granted by a covert ops cloak. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2012.12.15 15:42:00 -
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Doing mags and radars is feasible, but I don't think a magnate will be enough, if you want to do all of them. If you pick and choose, it is propably doable. Although the combat is much easier in the mini-profession sites, you'll still potentially encounter battlecruisers and webbing towers in them. Even if you manage to avoid getting killed, the killing will take a long time, which means less efficiency and more chance for interruption.
A recon cruiser or a cloaky T3 cruiser is a good longer term goal. In the mean time a T1 cruiser might do and be very cheap to replace. If you fit it cheaply a site or two will propably cover the cost of losing it. Just don't haul loads of loot around in it. |
Ovv Topik
Proposition Thirteen
The Third Rail
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Posted - 2012.12.15 17:50:00 -
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Have you learned the microwarp/cloak trick?
Once you have, the scanning part is dead easy in low sec.
ThereGÇÖs plenty of vid guides to show you the principle, then practice in hisec.
Really no need for a covops apart from the extra scanning bonus.
I mean, itGÇÖs worth going for, but not an urgent priority.
Once youGÇÖve scanned them down, check google for the challenge you face before you reship and run it.
It varies a lot.
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J'Poll
Kings of the Underground
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Posted - 2012.12.15 17:54:00 -
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Cornelius Varus
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.15 20:48:00 -
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Ouch, looking at that link, the rats in low sec are a lot tougher and more numerous it seems than what I have been encountering in high sec.
I can't see continuing to do the two ship thing with one account unless I had an Orca or something.
Well back to plan A, using an Arbitrator.
Thanks all.
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Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2012.12.16 10:05:00 -
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High sec radars and mags are fine if you do them in a frigate, either using the T1 Magnate or the T2 Anathema and actually, the Magnate is better at it due to increased dronebay and a useful secondary bonus, you really don't need the increased probing bonus from the T2. You don't run into many NPCs and you can easily handle them with newbie drone skills.
Doing Radars in low sec is a whole different kettle of fish and there's a whole lot more going on NPC wise to a point where you need some serious firepower to make it happen. So if you want to avoid combat, for whatever reason, then stick to high sec Radars and mags. Those can make decent money, radars generally make 5-30 mil each per site although in Amarr space the payout tends to be a bit lower.
There is no reason to turn down combat sites though, as long as you cherry pick them, and they can make a crap load of money. I've done exploration in high sec a whole lot for all 4 factions to figure out how they differ and to learn from it (an experiment of sorts) and in the mean time it made me billions. Here's some info I posted in an earlier thread on how to optimise your exploration, what to go for and what to ignore. Have a look at these two posts I made (1, 2).
On this character I do them in Amarr space flying Amarr ships so if you want to chat about it just mail or convo me ingame.
Amat victoria curam. Excellence in everything. |
Ovv Topik
Proposition Thirteen
The Third Rail
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Posted - 2012.12.16 11:12:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:I've done exploration in high sec a whole lot for all 4 factions to figure out how they differ and to learn from it (an experiment of sorts) and in the mean time it made me billions.
On this character I do them in Amarr space flying Amarr ships so if you want to chat about it just mail or convo me ingame.
Did you ever thin kof doing a bit of a goto guide to the different combat/rad/mag sites in a blog or something?
I read your two links, and you have a very concise writing style.
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Vilnius Zar
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Posted - 2012.12.16 11:23:00 -
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Ovv Topik wrote:Vilnius Zar wrote:I've done exploration in high sec a whole lot for all 4 factions to figure out how they differ and to learn from it (an experiment of sorts) and in the mean time it made me billions.
On this character I do them in Amarr space flying Amarr ships so if you want to chat about it just mail or convo me ingame. Did you ever thin kof doing a bit of a goto guide to the different combat/rad/mag sites in a blog or something? I read your two links, and you have a very concise writing style.
Over the years I've done many guides, youtube channels (with over 1k subs and 100k views) and whatnot, the problem is that I'm I am a severe altoholic and have restarted many times in EVE for no other reason than "pfff, bored" and either canning or selling my old char(s). One of the more recent ones can be found here but, ofcourse, that char is now inactive and the info is a bit oudated now anyway so I have a perfect excuse to start from scratch. I started working on some new guides (already made a new channel) and as this char will stay my main (probably :P) I'll expand on that in the future.
Amat victoria curam. Excellence in everything. |
Kurt Saken
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.16 13:10:00 -
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I do exploration to make my money, but i use different ships.
First i scan the sites with a scanning frigate. Then i clean the site with a BC, and finally, i bring my destroyer fitted and rigged for salvaging, codebreaking and analyzing. Obviously this requires you to settle in a permanent residency to have quick access to your ships.
I run the sites i my home system or in neighbour systems, but to do the last i need someone to open the door from the other side since i lack statics to other w-space systems, but i always can run rites in k-space if i want. Except in null, of course, because as soon as i jump into a null system, if there is a single person in there, he will trigger the alarm and an almost empty system will turn into the Marx Brothers cabin in 5 minutes, but it is always fun to tease them with probes and my cov ops frigate.
Some days are good, some days are bad, but overall i'm satisfied with this way of making money. Also i love the w-space atmosphere, so if you like exploring, find a w-hole corp. |
J'Poll
Kings of the Underground
Side Effect.
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Posted - 2012.12.16 13:49:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:Ovv Topik wrote:Vilnius Zar wrote:I've done exploration in high sec a whole lot for all 4 factions to figure out how they differ and to learn from it (an experiment of sorts) and in the mean time it made me billions.
On this character I do them in Amarr space flying Amarr ships so if you want to chat about it just mail or convo me ingame. Did you ever thin kof doing a bit of a goto guide to the different combat/rad/mag sites in a blog or something? I read your two links, and you have a very concise writing style. Over the years I've done many guides, youtube channels (with over 1k subs and 100k views) and whatnot, the problem is that I'm I am a severe altoholic and have restarted many times in EVE for no other reason than "pfff, bored" and either canning or selling my old char(s). One of the more recent ones can be found here but, ofcourse, that char is now inactive, the info is a bit oudated anyway so that's discontinued. I thus have a perfect excuse to start from scratch and started working on some new guides (already made a new channel) and as this char will stay my main (probably :P) I'll expand on that in the future.
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Vilnius Zar
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Posted - 2012.12.16 13:54:00 -
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I DID tell you I had some amarr only char I'd probably make my main at some point :)
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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
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Posted - 2012.12.16 14:42:00 -
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Kurt Saken wrote:
First i scan the sites with a scanning frigate. Then i clean the site with a BC, and finally, i bring my destroyer fitted and rigged for salvaging, codebreaking and analyzing. Obviously this requires you to settle in a permanent residency to have quick access to your ships.
I wouldn't recommend this with mag and radar sites. Just messing with the rats or a can and warping out causes them to despawn shorty after you leave. Just killing the initial spawn may not trigger the site despawn but I know messing with cans and warping out will.
Radar and Mags are also great pirating beacons in low sec. Don't be afraid to carry mods to quickly refit to kill other players should you return to a system and someone else is scanning your stuff or already stealing it....kill them, kill the pod and if they cry tell them stealing radar and mag in your systems is illegal. Remember though, other more experienced players leave them for bait. Just because you don't see anyone doesn't mean they aren't in a cloaked recon 10k from the cans waiting for you...fly cheap. 
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Kurt Saken
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.16 17:14:00 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Kurt Saken wrote:
First i scan the sites with a scanning frigate. Then i clean the site with a BC, and finally, i bring my destroyer fitted and rigged for salvaging, codebreaking and analyzing. Obviously this requires you to settle in a permanent residency to have quick access to your ships.
I wouldn't recommend this with mag and radar sites. Just messing with the rats or a can and warping out causes them to despawn shorty after you leave. Just killing the initial spawn may not trigger the site despawn but I know messing with cans and warping out will.
I know, and i'm careful with that. First i kill all the waves, without touching the cans or looting, then i come back with the salvager ship and work on the wrecks and the cans. Never had problems.
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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
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Posted - 2012.12.16 23:32:00 -
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Kurt Saken wrote:Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Kurt Saken wrote:
First i scan the sites with a scanning frigate. Then i clean the site with a BC, and finally, i bring my destroyer fitted and rigged for salvaging, codebreaking and analyzing. Obviously this requires you to settle in a permanent residency to have quick access to your ships.
I wouldn't recommend this with mag and radar sites. Just messing with the rats or a can and warping out causes them to despawn shorty after you leave. Just killing the initial spawn may not trigger the site despawn but I know messing with cans and warping out will. I know, and i'm careful with that. First i kill all the waves, without touching the cans or looting, then i come back with the salvager ship and work on the wrecks and the cans. Never had problems.
In low level ones this probably does work fine but as you start to do the better ones the cans can be trapped to explode or spawn more rats. Usually if a can spawns rats it cannot be opened until the defenders that are guarding it are destroyed. Some spawns are also proximity triggered.
You'll know you hit a good one when the site has cans named stuff like Mainframe, Derelict, Remains, Data banks in addition to the usual Info Shards and Rubble type cans.
Here's a decent link with more links that link to more info with links to links.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Exploration_guide |
Webvan
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.17 00:17:00 -
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Cornelius Varus wrote:
Can I be a self respecting explorer by just focusing on radar and mag and blowing off the rest? If so can I run these in low sec just with a Magnate, or do the rats that pop at these sites sometimes, just get too hard?
self-respecting? radar sites are the bread and butter of exploring. On my main char, that's mostly all I do with exploring, just a probing bonus hacking ship as far as my frig. I might do archeology in my tengu-explorer sometimes, but hardly ever pays as well as radar sites. btw there is combat at some sites, radar sites, even BS rats, and in hisec So in those cases, cruiser support may be lacking a little but usually a cruiser is a good backup when you just want to run various sites in your cov-ops frig - which is the fastest scanner imo due to it's agility and speed.
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Kurt Saken
State War Academy
Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2012.12.17 01:44:00 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
In low level ones this probably does work fine but as you start to do the better ones the cans can be trapped to explode or spawn more rats. Usually if a can spawns rats it cannot be opened until the defenders that are guarding it are destroyed. Some spawns are also proximity triggered.
Yes, i'm talking about sites located in C1-C2 systems in w-space.
Thank you for the info and the useful link.
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Davith en Divalone
Aegis Coalition Logistics
The Paganism Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.17 16:42:00 -
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Just in terms of scanning strength, you need Covert Ops IV to see a (small) benefit over an exploration frigate with Racial Frigate V. This was changed in retribution.
For highsec and lowsec radar and mag sites, drones work fine. The small number of spawns tend to die too fast to make drone aggro a problem. NPCs can spawn once you start opening cans, but they shouldn't be a problem. A good lowsec radar or mag hit will pay for a cruiser. I've been using a Vexor but have been thinking about swapping for an Arbitrator.
For Blood and Sansha combat sites, turrets can be painful unless you really want to brawl or wait out tracking disruption, although the changes last week helped a bit. |
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