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Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2012.12.16 20:59:00 -
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So... it's been over 6 months since we ended the EIE project. There was a lot of drama over the 2 months the project ran and we all learned a lot. Looking back its actually a pretty hilarious story of naivety, misplaced trust and greed.
ANYWAY, that's not what this is about. A month or so ago the subscriber website we were hosting the videos on went down and we just noticed recently. We had promised to keep the video content available to subscribers after the project closed and considering that its been a long time anyway we've decided to post all the videos on youtube to both subscribers and the general public. Some of this content was already released publicly but some of it will be new, unless you were a subscriber. There aren't any plans to make more of these but consider these a resource for small gang and solo pvp. Descriptions and links to the videos are below.
Introductory Trailer Video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbFtAjvQxrg
Video 1 - Opportunity Kills (Gang):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-drwPewXrU Video Content: Garmon explains how to get kills off of a gang that is not directly engageable. Skirmish links are used but the concepts do not require them.
Video 2 - Engaging a Camp (Small Gang):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNUqk3t3PGI Video Content: Duncan explains some of the strategies behind successfully jumping into and engaging a larger camp. The combination of target fleet composition, P3E-Obe being a regional gate and skirmish links help make this engagement possible.
Video 3 - Initiation and Setting up Engagements (Solo):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3knciFd8xsY Video Content: Willl talks about the importance of setting up an engagement and shows that how you decide to start an engagement can decide the outcome of a fight. Armor links are used.
Video 4 - Shield Rupture in 0.0 (Solo):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zkvDDCpDjo Video Content: Garmon flies a solo unlinked and unscouted shield rupture through null sec. He talks about the ship and shows some of the things you can do with it.
Video 5 - Killing Tackle and On-Grid Separation (Solo):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlsvuSi7KlA Video Content: Willl flies a solo unlinked/unscouted wolf and talks about how to separate targets to create engageable situations.
Video 6 - Scouting and Directional Scanning (Solo):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPiHuLMfHHc Video Content: Duncan flies a vigil and talks about how to scout both for yourself and a gang, find targets and use the directional scanner. An article written by Duncan on scouting can be found here: http://pastebin.com/NGQyyVa7
Video 7- Shield Talos in 0.0 (Solo):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqGNElFYp9I Video Content: Garmon flies a solo unlinked and unscouted shield talos through null sec. He talks about the ship and shows some of the things you can do with it.
Video 8 - Armor Myrmidon in 0.0 (Solo):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcRAx-uwk40 Video Content: Willl flies a solo unlinked and unscouted armor myrmidon through null sec. He talks about the ship and shows some of the things you can do with it.
Video 9 - Small Gang Fight, Alignment and Positioning (Small Gang):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pUP_PtZkXc Video Content: Duncan talks about a small gang engagement against some local residents of a dead end pocket. The focus of the video is about the importance of using a common align out and positioning to support your gang mates. Skirmish links are used but the concepts explained do not require them.
Video 10 - Artillery Hurricane in 0.0 (Solo):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaY_sn4JHJ8 Video Content: Garmon flies a solo unlinked and unscouted artillery hurricane through null sec. He talks about the ship and shows some of the things you can do with it.
Video 11 - Dual Thorax (Duo Gang):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYhIitwOcuw Video Content: Garmon and Willl fly max tank/max gank fitted thoraxes unlinked/unscouted and use various techniques to manipulate targets into shooting the tanky thorax allowing the other thorax to deal damage. This allows them to take on engagements they couldn't with two standard fits.
Video 12 - Small Gang Communication (Small Gang):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZChXijPovk Video Content: Duncan describes the importance of communication in a small gang and how it differs from the dynamic in large fleets. Skirmish links are used but the concepts do not require them.
Video 13 - Enyo in 0.0 (Solo):https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1356717#post1356717 |
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
259
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Posted - 2012.12.16 21:00:00 -
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Video 17 - Station System Engagements (Duo Gang):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mIwXgSJMyQ Video Content: Willl and Duncan engage local residents in a 0.0 station system. Duncan describes some of the characteristics of station systems and discusses some important things to think about while initiating the fight and during the fight itself. Links are used but the concepts do not require them.
Video 18 - Fighting Against Logistics (Duo Gang):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJf5CLJ1Q8g Video Content: Willl and Duncan fight against a small gang with two logistics ships. Duncan explains how it can be possible to fight against gangs with logistics where you can't break the reps. Links are used but the concepts do not require them.
Video 19 - Escalating Fights (Small Gang):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s77y1IlfU9g Video Content: Duncan explains how to escalate engagements to keep them going as well as a general discussion of gang management, decision making and target calling. Links are used but the concepts do not require them.
Video 20 - Taking Advantage of Complacency and Disorganization (Small Gang):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuYj-9zmtXk Video Content: Duncan talks about taking advantage of disorganized targets that wouldn't be engageable if they were more organized. A general discussion of gang management and decision making is also given. Links are used and for a fight like this would be required. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1356717#post1356717 |
prolix travail
Blue Mountain Trails
9
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Posted - 2012.12.16 21:56:00 -
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Informative videos but damn that sound quality is trerrible |
Joseph Dreadloch
Dread Space Inc. Core.Impulse
101
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Posted - 2012.12.16 22:28:00 -
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Will watch the ones that are newly released to the public, thanks for making them available.
You gents are talented and EIE could have been a massive success had you done something more along the lines of publishing the content freely and making cash off advertisements or some such instead of a subscription cost. Was sad when you guys introduced the 'paywall' barrier to your content, and sad when you stopped producing it all together.
I guess what I'm trying to say was that it's great informative stuff, and is well worth the time it takes to watch it, however it's not quite worth actual cash. |
Klown Walk
New Eden Renegades Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
147
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Posted - 2012.12.16 22:46:00 -
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To bad you stopped making them, I really enjoyed watching them and learned alot. |
BadAssMcKill
Ghost Headquarters The Ghost Army
24
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Posted - 2012.12.16 22:58:00 -
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Yeah its a shame you guys stopped making these. Thanks for uploading the subscriber only ones Starships were meant to fly~ |
Bluetippedflyer
Mafia Redux
29
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Posted - 2012.12.16 23:16:00 -
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lol chad
good work tho |
Hoarr
RPS holdings
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Posted - 2012.12.17 05:32:00 -
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I always enjoyed the content that you produced, I just had issues with your "business" (heavy sarcasm there) partner. Thank you for posting these videos. It's a shame to see the combination of ATX and EIE cause you guys to stop playing. I hope that you get back into it. GL, Genos. |
Apathetic Brent
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
21
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Posted - 2012.12.17 06:47:00 -
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Thanks for making all of this public. The eve community is in your debt. |
Dashiel
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
0
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Posted - 2012.12.17 09:15:00 -
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I like Duncan! |
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Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
270
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Posted - 2012.12.17 14:05:00 -
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The link for Video 15 was missing but has now been added. Videos 4 and 11 are probably the most relevant to the latest expansion changes. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1356717#post1356717 |
Gibbo5771
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
67
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Posted - 2012.12.17 14:12:00 -
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So the people that payed for the premium content....have now payed for nothing but early access?
Dont get me wrong I quite liked the content, it was pretty good but being fair, the way it was marketed was a complete scam. |
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
270
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Posted - 2012.12.17 14:18:00 -
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Gibbo5771 wrote:So the people that payed for the premium content....have now payed for nothing but early access?
Dont get me wrong I quite liked the content, it was pretty good but being fair, the way it was marketed was a complete scam.
We also regularly scheduled roams with them and gave pvp related advice on whatever they wanted through a private in game channel and member's forums. In the end, everyone was refunded anyway unless they didn't want their money back. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1356717#post1356717 |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
513
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Posted - 2012.12.17 14:25:00 -
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Thanks for posting these. I recall the stink around the premium content, and don't really want to rehash it.
I am curious however, as I see that http://www.eveiseasy.com/ is still active and seems to be promoting content. Is this you guys? Is it legit?
I seem to recall an issue with the eveiseasy.com domain when all the crap went down.
Thanks. |
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
273
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Posted - 2012.12.17 14:45:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Thanks for posting these. I recall the stink around the premium content, and don't really want to rehash it. I am curious however, as I see that http://www.eveiseasy.com/ is still active and seems to be promoting content. Is this you guys? Is it legit? I seem to recall an issue with the eveiseasy.com domain when all the crap went down. Thanks.
It's not us. Abaddon owns the domain and is using the brand to promote his own stuff I guess, we don't have anything to do with it anymore. The only content from us is what's in this thread and on the youtube channel. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1356717#post1356717 |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
513
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Posted - 2012.12.17 14:49:00 -
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Duncan Tanner wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:Thanks for posting these. I recall the stink around the premium content, and don't really want to rehash it. I am curious however, as I see that http://www.eveiseasy.com/ is still active and seems to be promoting content. Is this you guys? Is it legit? I seem to recall an issue with the eveiseasy.com domain when all the crap went down. Thanks. It's not us. Abaddon owns the domain and is using the brand to promote his own stuff I guess, we don't have anything to do with it anymore. The only content from us is what's in this thread and on the youtube channel.
Thanks. That is kind of what I remembered. |
Laktos
Gunpoint Diplomacy
219
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Posted - 2012.12.18 02:58:00 -
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Easily one of, if not the best resource currently available for anyone who wants to take their flying to a level above the average "turn on weapons and press orbit on the target" skill level of EVE's population.
It's really fantastic to see all this extra content released. I'm sure I'll learn a lot from it. Latest PVP Video: Perseverance
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Pawis Saba
Solus Semper.
1
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Posted - 2012.12.18 11:28:00 -
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thanks for this. really do appreciate the work you guys did. |
LakeEnd
FinFleet Raiden.
28
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Posted - 2012.12.18 13:19:00 -
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Thanks, I enjoy watching these a lot! |
Everyone Selfdestruct
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.12.18 13:29:00 -
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Hi!
Thanks for the videos, the footage is very good and educational, but I have to point out though,
you really MUST work on your vocal presentation.
You sound very dull and monotonous to put it bluntly.
Just need to work on that and you'll be all good!
Best of luck on your future endeavours |
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Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
300
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Posted - 2012.12.18 14:44:00 -
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Nice work, chaps.
Was gutted this project didn't work out initially. The bottom line is that now I have one of those annoying signatures. |
maCH'EttE
Relentless Destruction Suddenly Spaceships.
8
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Posted - 2012.12.18 16:24:00 -
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as stated in game, thank you for making these vids public. |
Altaen
Calamitous-Intent
21
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Posted - 2012.12.18 17:20:00 -
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Joseph Dreadloch wrote:
I guess what I'm trying to say was that it's great informative stuff, and is well worth the time it takes to watch it, however it's not quite worth actual cash.
Maybe my memory is failing, but wasn't it $5 or $15 or something else that's cheaper than the average night at the movies? Content was more than worth it at either price point. |
Raul Gavin
Fuctifino Mordus Angels
0
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Posted - 2012.12.18 18:11:00 -
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Altaen wrote:Joseph Dreadloch wrote:
I guess what I'm trying to say was that it's great informative stuff, and is well worth the time it takes to watch it, however it's not quite worth actual cash.
Maybe my memory is failing, but wasn't it $5 or $15 or something else that's cheaper than the average night at the movies? Content was more than worth it at either price point.
It was about 20 bucks a month to access their site.....kinda steep when the game itself is only 15 bucks a month.
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Laktos
Gunpoint Diplomacy
221
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Posted - 2012.12.19 02:44:00 -
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Raul Gavin wrote:Altaen wrote:Joseph Dreadloch wrote:
I guess what I'm trying to say was that it's great informative stuff, and is well worth the time it takes to watch it, however it's not quite worth actual cash.
Maybe my memory is failing, but wasn't it $5 or $15 or something else that's cheaper than the average night at the movies? Content was more than worth it at either price point. It was about 20 bucks a month to access their site.....kinda steep when the game itself is only 15 bucks a month.
@Altaen Yeah the price was misguided. It certainly could be argued as you do (and in some ways I agree) that even $20 a month is actually pretty fair. That's $5 a week for regular videos, roams with the EIE guys, and a private channel to communicate and ask questions of them at any time. Think about how much you would pay for golf or tennis lessons etc with the same level of access to your coach. It's actually a very fair price imo.
The issue though is that the game has a subscription fee. When a service like this has a price above the actual cost to play the game in the first place... well it just doesn't look good. And of course, image is everything in business. Latest PVP Video: Perseverance
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DOCTOR OCTAGONAPUS
Interkosmos
0
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Posted - 2012.12.19 12:09:00 -
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Good post Lak. In any case, the 20 dolla/month thing was Abaddon's idea. The rest of us wanted it to be way lower. We were just really bad at not listening to all of his terrible ideas for some reason. |
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
281
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Posted - 2012.12.19 13:31:00 -
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Everyone Selfdestruct wrote:Hi!
Thanks for the videos, the footage is very good and educational, but I have to point out though,
you really MUST work on your vocal presentation.
You sound very dull and monotonous to put it bluntly.
Just need to work on that and you'll be all good!
Best of luck on your future endeavours
Yea you're right, I know I at least sound completely bored out of my mind in some parts, so sorry about that.
With regards to pricing the goal was trying to find where the best balance was between price and the number of people who would likely opt in to make it as worthwhile as possible. The smaller player pool in Eve compared to the similar service in WoW meant it would probably need to be a higher price point to be as worthwhile. We disagreed on where that price point was (i.e. considering the smaller pool of potential interest do you get 4x as much interest at $5, 2x as much at $10). Where ever we felt this balance existed some would always think it wasn't worth it and some would, with higher prices driving more people towards "not worth it". In the end though everyone involved agreed to go with the decision, however reluctantly, and so I don't think the outcome of that decision should rest on only one person.
In either case that's all past and the discussion doesn't matter anymore since they're all free now. What's more important is that people get something out of this and maybe it encourages a few people to try and play the game in a new way. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1356717#post1356717 |
Zach Donnell
Ghost-Busters
81
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Posted - 2012.12.19 17:53:00 -
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DOCTOR OCTAGONAPUS wrote:Good post Lak. In any case, the 20 dolla/month thing was Abaddon's idea. The rest of us wanted it to be way lower. We were just really bad at not listening to all of his terrible ideas for some reason.
Is it... is it really you? |
Laktos
Gunpoint Diplomacy
223
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Posted - 2012.12.20 03:40:00 -
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Zach Donnell wrote:DOCTOR OCTAGONAPUS wrote:Good post Lak. In any case, the 20 dolla/month thing was Abaddon's idea. The rest of us wanted it to be way lower. We were just really bad at not listening to all of his terrible ideas for some reason. Is it... is it really you?
Is it really who? I don't recognise the alt, but I'm guessing Willl?
Latest PVP Video: Perseverance
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Willl Adama
The Deliberate Forces HYDRA RELOADED
204
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Posted - 2012.12.20 23:41:00 -
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BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH! Hi |
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