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Skillshot
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Posted - 2005.05.25 10:32:00 -
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if stealth bombers are covert ops ships they should be able to use covert ops cloak other wise in accecpted game ideals it is not a covert ops craft.
i would like a refund on the ship and the cloak as i believe i was missled into believeing that the "Hound" was in fact a covert ops craft but in fact it is not covert at all just a frigate that can use cruise missles any ship can use the normal cloaks covert ops as in the accecpted game idea means it can use the covert ops cloak the hound can not. if i would of been informed of the truth i would not of invested the 40mil isk for the over priced ship nor would i have baught a cloak for 25.6mil isk nor would i have trained the skill past the bare minimum to fly a REAL covert ops craft.
Thanks for your time.
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Jernau Gurgeh
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Posted - 2005.05.25 10:36:00 -
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Edited by: Jernau Gurgeh on 25/05/2005 10:36:00
Or maybe you should have read the description of the ship and looked at it's stats before buying it.
Caveat emptor, as they say.
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Skillshot
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Posted - 2005.05.25 10:37:00 -
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Edited by: Skillshot on 25/05/2005 10:39:38
Edited by: Skillshot on 25/05/2005 10:38:51
pfft maby you should read the description of the hound b4 replying here... it may work out better for you if your informed b4 you speak ( type ) on this topic
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.05.25 10:41:00 -
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omg, just sell the damn thing again ok.
If you'd bothered to get even the barest of bare info about that ship from other players that have it, you'd know about that covops thing already.
Sorry, little pity for you to be found here/.
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Telainna Delsende
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Posted - 2005.05.25 10:49:00 -
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If you brought the ship without knowing what it was for or did then more fool you.
its not a covert Ops... !!!
Aww did the fact it comes under that section on the market confuse you ? 
Anyways Afaik black ops ships are supposed to be 'real' covert ops ships when they come out ? arent they ???
Though I aint too sure on that one,
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Skillshot
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Posted - 2005.05.25 10:51:00 -
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sorry if i missled you on the context of my post, how ever it was quite clear that if the information was in the approprate place i would of been informed as it is not the responcibility of the players to explain ccp's short falls but rather it is thier ( ccp ) job to ensure that they do not mislead those dont read the fourms, play on the test server or spam the fourms with flamming remarks in the attempt to make the problem go away.
again thanks for your time.
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Matthew
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Posted - 2005.05.25 10:52:00 -
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An "Industrial" ship is actually just a transport ship, it can't perform any industrial processes at all. Maybe you can whine about that too? 
The names of ship classes in eve are nothing more than a guideline as to what they could, maybe, be used for. It's up to you to check out the ship stats and capabilities and decide for yourself whether it is fit for the purpose you want to put it to.
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Skillshot
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Posted - 2005.05.25 10:53:00 -
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in the description of the ship it plainly says "the next generation in covert ops craft"
so please sit back and have a cup of coffie so you dont hurt your self.
thanks for your time.
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Klaryssa
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Posted - 2005.05.25 10:54:00 -
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'A fool and his money are soon parted.'
How true it is.
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Skillshot
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Posted - 2005.05.25 10:57:00 -
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2005.05.25 10:58:00 -
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I'm gonna go with and 
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Telainna Delsende
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Posted - 2005.05.25 10:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Skillshot
in the description of the ship it plainly says "the next generation in covert ops craft"
so please sit back and have a cup of coffie so you dont hurt your self.
thanks for your time.
And do you get a bonus for using a cloak ?
And is it a 'newer generation' that the old covert ops ?
If yes to both please feel free to delete your post.
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Roshan longshot
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Posted - 2005.05.25 11:00:00 -
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I bought both of the Gallente covert ops ships, they are listed as covert ops. Well after training was all done with I proudly kitted out my new "stealth bomber" and went out to play.. It has some drawbacks...alot of them.
So back to station...lets kit out the covert ops ship...after a few more million isk getting named mods...I promply sold the junk. all them med slots and cant put a thing in them and run the stealth field.
So I am going to play with the bomber till I can kit it out just right for the type of piracy I perfer. Makes it hard but doable.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.05.25 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Skillshot
pfft maby you should read the description of the hound b4 replying here... it may work out better for you if your informed b4 you speak ( type ) on this topic
Quote:
Hull: Breacher Class
Role: Stealth Bomber
Specifically engineered to fire cruise missiles, stealth bombers represent the next generation in covert ops craft. Advanced techniques in spatial distortion technology enable them to potentially fly faster when cloaked than when uncloaked - a fact which, coupled with their considerable firepower, makes them extremely dangerous in the hands of an accomplished pilot.
Developer: Boundless Creation
Boundless Creation ships are based on the Brutor tribe's
philosophy of warfare: simply fit as much firepower onto your
ship as humanly possible. On the other hand, defense systems
and "cheap tricks" like electronic warfare have never been a
high priority.
Minmatar Frigate Skill Bonus: 19.65% reduction in Cruise
Launcher powergrid needs and 5% bonus to Small Projectile
Turret damage per level
Covert Ops Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Cruise Missile explosive
damage and 25% bonus to cloaked velocity per level
Nope don't see anything in there about it being designed to use covert ops cloaks. All it says is that its designed to travel faster when cloaked then other ships. Oh and the lack of a bonus that reduces CPU usage, and the lack of over 5000 CPU should have tipped you off that fitting a covert ops cloak would be impossible.
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Skillshot
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Posted - 2005.05.25 11:02:00 -
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again you too missed the point
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.05.25 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Skillshot
sorry if i missled you on the context of my post, how ever it was quite clear that if the information was in the approprate place i would of been informed as it is not the responcibility of the players to explain ccp's short falls but rather it is thier ( ccp ) job to ensure that they do not mislead those dont read the fourms, play on the test server or spam the fourms with flamming remarks in the attempt to make the problem go away.
again thanks for your time.
information in appropriate place ?
What are you, a 6 year old that needs everything explained three times and a mark on his hand so he doesn't forget ?
The information IS in the appropriate place: the playerbase.
Eve does not pamper you, it challenges you to engage your brain. I think you just got challenged m8.
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2005.05.25 11:05:00 -
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The only thing the Stealth Bomber lacks to the Covert Ops ship is that it can't warp while cloaked, and I think the recalibration time is a little longer due to the more simple cloaking device. I stand my ground once more when I say this : Both ships should be used together, and preferably in numbers. People on this forums seems to expect to be able to do everything alone in every ship...
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Morrigu Storm
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Posted - 2005.05.25 11:10:00 -
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Regardless of the fact you didnt really read the description properly you have to admit that anything that can fly faster while cloaked is pretty dam covert.
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Ace Garpy
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Posted - 2005.05.25 11:34:00 -
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I have to be honest it is not all that clear when the database classifies it under Covert Ops.
It's only when you access the ship it says Stealth Bomber. An easy mistake to make under the circumstances and location of the database.
I wonder how many people really would have known without reading the forums first...Walter Mitty's methinks!
http://www.eve-online.com/itemdatabase/ships/covertops/minmatar/default.asp
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Ace Garpy
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Posted - 2005.05.25 11:41:00 -
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Aye I admit the posters initial statement is a little strong and overzealous.
Its a misunderstanding on both sides and easily done.
Personally I usually like to get feedback from players before buying expensive kit. That way one knows if it's any good at a particular function.
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Fitz Chivalry
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Posted - 2005.05.25 11:46:00 -
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It is an easy mistake to make, as I made it myself last night - I was in empire and looking to buy a new toy - ooh whats this under the covert ops heading - hmm a stealth bomber - looks cool - now I just need to get a covert ops cloak - hmm doesnt fit - what's that? Doh!
Still, there was a buy order in Yulai for only about 1m isk less than I paid for the thing so no great harm done - still not tried the thing out yet so no idea if its any good or not 
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Roshan longshot
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Posted - 2005.05.25 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan
The only thing the Stealth Bomber lacks to the Covert Ops ship is that it can't warp while cloaked, and I think the recalibration time is a little longer due to the more simple cloaking device. I stand my ground once more when I say this : Both ships should be used together, and preferably in numbers. People on this forums seems to expect to be able to do everything alone in every ship...
Yes I can see where a flight of stealth bombers and a covert ops ship can really do some damage...and be a heck of alot more fun to play with.
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Gan Ning
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Posted - 2005.05.25 12:08:00 -
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Why are people so naive that they insist on paying 40mil for a ship worth no more than about 7mil, then they come on the forums afterwards and cry and whine?
Look here and please tell me in your opinion if you think the minerals and components for a stealth bomber add up to anywhere near 40 million isk.
You see your problem is you are expecting the ship to live upto to the price you paid - as if its supposed to be worth 40mil or something?? Dude its a player run market if someone prices something at 40mil or 80mill it doesn't mean its worth that.
What you need to do in future is read the ship description, research its build cost and determine what you are happy to pay. And lastly test the ship out on the test server, jeeze come on! everything has been provided for you and you still complain?
Not angry, i just can't stand when people make bad decisions then afterwards cry over them and blame others, its pointless and annoying.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.05.25 12:30:00 -
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It is indeed confusing they're under covert ops and I don't understand why CP didn't simply place them under a "bombers" catagory
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.05.25 13:35:00 -
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Speed if nothing else would be nice.
Lets say, you could use either a Ab or mwd under cloak.
Bring atleast some tactical advantage to using them.
Tbh i got more fun from my hellios, fitting a nuetron 2 up top.. with the space to fit the other stuff to hold it down and stay alive.
Not to mention the warp under cloak, which gives you more advantage using a covert on tactical assault than any 'tech 1' bomber ever would.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.05.25 13:44:00 -
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I feel bad for the OP in as far as I can relate to buying things without looking carefully at its capabilities and requirements.
That being said, there's this neat-o thing in EVE called "The Market". Get this, not only can you buy from it, but you can also sell stuff too. Isn't that cool?
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.05.25 13:51:00 -
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I paid 95mil for my Manticore because I HAD to have one.
Money well spent.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.05.25 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Matthew
An "Industrial" ship is actually just a transport ship, it can't perform any industrial processes at all. Maybe you can whine about that too?
:flashfact: "Industrial" ships where suppose to have mobile renfinary modules that would plug into their high-slot. Which is why they have such a huge CPU. The modules never came to light and have hit the shelves to join such wonders as comet mining, gas mining and chocolate dipped rats (the last one might be a bit of an exageration).
So they where named with the intention of actually servering that purpose.
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Hemloche
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Posted - 2005.05.25 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Hemloche on 25/05/2005 15:43:00
Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Originally by: Matthew
An "Industrial" ship is actually just a transport ship, it can't perform any industrial processes at all. Maybe you can whine about that too?
:flashfact: "Industrial" ships...chocolate dipped rats (the last one might be a bit of an exageration).
I was so looking forward to the chocolate dipped rats when Oveur announced their coming but alas was really bummed when they are nixxed.
As for the stealth bombers well it just shows that CCP really has a sense of humor and well its a nice joke that people fell for and just gave someone something else to complain about in the Flames and Complaints department known as the forums.
***edited to remove the double quote***
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Posted - 2005.05.25 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Klaryssa
'A fool and his money are soon parted.'
How true it is.
ohh correction time, "A fool and his money are soon pirated"
there, I feel better now.
Same result though.
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