Friends don't let friends fly mining barges.

Have you tried mining? Would you keep mining even at a 100% tax rate just because it's fun?

Why do I ask this? It's because mining is the most rock-bottom poor income activity you can do in EVE. Mining is the fast food job of EVE. When you're in high school you feel like the big man on campus because you can buy your own video games... then all your friends become investment bankers, lawyers, doctors, and jet pilots, and you're still putting on a funny hat every day smelling like french fries. Your point of diminishing returns on income is lower than the point at which pretty much every other career in EVE starts to take off.

Some people just like mining. The friend who introduced me to EVE found it relaxing. Others get in industrial corps as an activity they can do to justify hanging out with their friends over voice chat. These people should mine as much as they want.

Other people think "I want to make lots of ISK! How do I become an awesome miner?" These people need to be walked awaaay from the mining barges and gently pointed in any other direction.

Other than the introduction of the Venture frigate you get early in the Industrial career tutorial, and the way that the mining barges have been redesigned to not just be all Hulk all the time, the old guides should still be accurate.

Industry
Science
Mining
Refining
Refinery Efficiency
Astrogeology
Mining Upgrades
Mining Frigate
Mining Barge
Exhumers

Your ship progression for mining is:

Venture (mining frigate)
Retriever (mining barge)
Mackinaw (exhumer)

Open the Market interface and search for each of these ships, then click the blue Info icon and switch to the Prerequisites tab. It will list the skills required to fly these ships.

Then switch to the Recommended tab, and you'll see a bunch of Certificates. The certificates are groups of skills that you must train, and when you do you automatically get certified. Open your character sheet and switch to the Certificates section, and look around the flow charts for the skills. These are recommended skills for these ships.

In addition to pure mining / industry skills, you also need two things:

1. The ability to fly an Industrial ship such as Bager Mark II (find it in the market, look at its prerequisites) so you can move your ore to the market hub to sell.

2. You need to toughen up your ship so it's not such an easy prey, by training support skills:

Engineering gives you more energy and shields.
Electronics gives you more CPU (important for mining ships), and better targetting.
Mechanics gives you more armor, hull, and the ability to fit ship rigs.
Navigation makes your ships faster.
Drones - Scout Drones lets you fit a few drones to defend your otherwise unarmed ships.
Trade lets you put more buy/sell orders on the market and with reduced taxes.

Friends don't let friends fly mining barges.

Have you tried mining? Would you keep mining even at a 100% tax rate just because it's fun?

Why do I ask this? It's because mining is the most rock-bottom poor income activity you can do in EVE. Mining is the fast food job of EVE. When you're in high school you feel like the big man on campus because you can buy your own video games... then all your friends become investment bankers, lawyers, doctors, and jet pilots, and you're still putting on a funny hat every day smelling like french fries. Your point of diminishing returns on income is lower than the point at which pretty much every other career in EVE starts to take off.

Some people just like mining. The friend who introduced me to EVE found it relaxing. Others get in industrial corps as an activity they can do to justify hanging out with their friends over voice chat. These people should mine as much as they want.

Other people think "I want to make lots of ISK! How do I become an awesome miner?" These people need to be walked awaaay from the mining barges and gently pointed in any other direction.

Other than the introduction of the Venture frigate you get early in the Industrial career tutorial, and the way that the mining barges have been redesigned to not just be all Hulk all the time, the old guides should still be accurate.

What about cloaking? If I were in low sec space and ships showed up, could I cloak and warp away before I was spotted?

Corp taxes don't have any effect mining

What about cloaking? If I were in low sec space and ships showed up, could I cloak and warp away before I was spotted?

Industry
Science
Mining
Refining
Refinery Efficiency
Astrogeology
Mining Upgrades
Mining Frigate
Mining Barge
Exhumers

Friends don't let friends fly mining barges.

Have you tried mining? Would you keep mining even at a 100% tax rate just because it's fun?

Why do I ask this? It's because mining is the most rock-bottom poor income activity you can do in EVE. Mining is the fast food job of EVE. When you're in high school you feel like the big man on campus because you can buy your own video games... then all your friends become investment bankers, lawyers, doctors, and jet pilots, and you're still putting on a funny hat every day smelling like french fries. Your point of diminishing returns on income is lower than the point at which pretty much every other career in EVE starts to take off.

Some people just like mining. The friend who introduced me to EVE found it relaxing. Others get in industrial corps as an activity they can do to justify hanging out with their friends over voice chat. These people should mine as much as they want.

Other people think "I want to make lots of ISK! How do I become an awesome miner?" These people need to be walked awaaay from the mining barges and gently pointed in any other direction.

Other than the introduction of the Venture frigate you get early in the Industrial career tutorial, and the way that the mining barges have been redesigned to not just be all Hulk all the time, the old guides should still be accurate.

Corp taxes are applied to:

* Mission rewards
* Mission bonus rewards
* Bounty prices you get from killing NPC rats.

And bounties from killing other players.

I think you've missed the point though. The point being, that if you wouldn't do the activity for 0 ISK, then you're playing EVE wrong. It should not be treated like a 2nd job; it is a game.

Although, I think pretty much every ISK-earning activity would fail that test. I quite like missions (call me weird if you like), but would I do them for free? No.

people for some reason overpay for ore (i guess they are lazy) so its more profitable to sell ore than minerals,you have to do your homework and calculate whats more profitable in system you mine in

Actually it is quite often more profitable to sell ore than to refine. The reason is that without good skills and standings you lose a percentage of the ore when you refine.

Not usually. Certainly not in any of the trade hubs. It may happen occasionally in some areas, but it's not the norm.

Sure, if your refining skills suck, it's better to sell ore. Once you've got perfect refine then it's better to refine and sell minerals

Some skills that are useful bumping to at 5 are
Electronics
Engineering

Dont forget the equipment for your ship aswell.

These are my recommendations from a anti ganking perspective.

From low slot to high slot to rigs

Venture
Mining laser upgrade II
Medium shield extender II
Medium F-S9 Regolith shield induction
Adaptive invulnerability field II
Miner II
Miner II
small core defense field extender i
small core defense field extender i
small processor overclocking unit I

HAHAHAHA

And you think that corp taxes are applied to miners.

Do your homework...

Corp taxes are applied to:

* Mission rewards
* Mission bonus rewards
* Bounty prices you get from killing NPC rats.

NOT on mining amounts
NOT on selling stuff on market (those are NPC taxes which can be lowered through skills and standings).

I appreciate the insight. To be honest, I play FPS games for excitement, but when I am feeling lazy, I like the idea of doing something boring... just floating around space collecting resources and selling them... while listening to an audiobook. That's why I was drawn to EVE. I'm open to suggestions though, as I'm still not entirely sure what my options are. I felt that mining would be a good place to start for a noob.

I like to play World of Tanks on another screen while I mine dont listen to the PVP goofballs mining is a supplemental income while we play other games.

This is most helpful. Thank you!





You misunderstood the point, and then you mocked a person who was only being helpful. I hope you learned your lesson.

No I didn't.
Ask the PvP guys if he still wants to PvP when Insurance is deleted aswel as module drops. (aka no possible return on PvP).
Ask the mission guy if the would still mission if it paid nothing.
Ask the incurion guy if they would still run incursions if it didn't pay out those LPs
NONE of them would do it...

I like to play World of Tanks on another screen while I mine dont listen to the PVP goofballs mining is a supplemental income while we play other games.

No, you missed the point pretty well. There's some things I do because it's fun, and when I look down and my wallet is bigger - hey! Bonus! Mining is about as mindnumbingly boring of an activity as I can think to do, but people do it anyways because they think it's the path to riches. But it's not only boring, it's low paying too. So the only reason you should be doing it instead of other things is because you would rather spend your time mining than doing basically anything else, because anything else you do will pay more isk.