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Inquisitive One
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.20 02:53:00 -
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I've been thinking about ways of making some decent income once I move into nullsec. I've spoken to a friend about the potential of salvaging after mid-large fleet fights (especially with alliances that regularly deploy with t2 ships).
He stated that most alliances have a policy of giving all loot and salvage to alliance coffers, effectively eliminating that source of income. Considering that I've read some posts about some pilots who have salvaged and made billions salvaging after fleet fights, im confused on this matter.
Could anyone with experience in null sec alliances please tell me what their experiences with this are? |

Besina Echerie
Vermona Collective
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Posted - 2012.12.20 03:06:00 -
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A teenager I knew once tried EVE. He was doing tutorials and my other friend that showed it to him wandered off and left him alone. He came back a few hours later and glanced up at the system. "That's in nullsec, you know." "I know." Walks off again. Walks back and looks over his shoulder. The guy was flying an Ibis around in NPC Null somewhere on a three hour old character, flying into and out of a fleet battle to scavenge modules out of wrecks and speed tanking the annoyed residents taking pot shots at him. Sometimes he'd get blown up and reappear in station with a new Ibis, and make another run. Needless to say, everyone in the neighborhood wanted him dead. |

Merouk Baas
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Posted - 2012.12.20 03:08:00 -
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If there's time after a fight, the winners will probably stick around and grab whatever loot they can, to help offset ship losses elsewhere. I doubt the main fleet ships have salvagers installed, though, so the wrecks may be available.
The problem is that other alliances will likely consider you an enemy, and if you're flying after or between fleets trying to salvage wrecks you're just like a civilian wandering into a war zone (=dead).
And your own alliance, if they have a major war happening, they'll want you to pilot a warship and go to war ops, not fly around contributing nothing and profiting from their losses.
You're going to nullsec to scavenge from the alliance that took you in... think about that for a minute. |

Inquisitive One
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.20 03:10:00 -
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Merouk Baas wrote:If there's time after a fight, the winners will probably stick around and grab whatever loot they can, to help offset ship losses elsewhere. I doubt the main fleet ships have salvagers installed, though, so the wrecks may be available.
The problem is that other alliances will likely consider you an enemy, and if you're flying after or between fleets trying to salvage wrecks you're just like a civilian wandering into a war zone (=dead).
And your own alliance, if they have a major war happening, they'll want you to pilot a warship and go to war ops, not fly around contributing nothing and profiting from their losses.
You're going to nullsec to scavenge from the alliance that took you in... think about that for a minute.
Sorry I didn't clarify a few things.
1) I would be doing so ONLY after the fight is over.
2) I wouldn't have a salvager on my pvp ship, I'd probably have a salvage destroyer waiting a system or two away in anticipation of wrecks. (This also assumes that my fleet wins the fight, but whatever) |

Merouk Baas
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Posted - 2012.12.20 03:19:00 -
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Ok, well I guess it depends on the situation.
Usually, in my experience (granted, it's limited), when the fight is over the Fleet Commander wants to get the fleet the heck out, to avoid counter-attack or different enemies appearing. A fleet is vulnerable when its position and ship types are known, and after a battle those things are known by the enemy, who are often racing right back to the location in replacement ships. So the FC won't let you go, you have to stay in fleet and move in an orderly fashion to wherever home base is, which may be far from the fight.
But some FC's may allow looting, and then it's up to the alliance policies. A lot of alliances do have ship reimbursement programs; they'll reimburse your loss (in addition to the insurance) so you don't pay so much out of pocket, so obviously that's a huge cost for them during a war, and they may want the wrecks.
You can probably make better income by ratting in belts, mining the nullsec ores, or grouping up with mates and doing the high-end complexes than you can by waiting for wars so you can scavenge. Typically, you make ISK during peace time so you can spend it during war time. |

Inquisitive One
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.20 03:21:00 -
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Merouk Baas wrote:Ok, well I guess it depends on the situation.
Usually, in my experience (granted, it's limited), when the fight is over the Fleet Commander wants to get the fleet the heck out, to avoid counter-attack or different enemies appearing. A fleet is vulnerable when its position and ship types are known, and after a battle those things are known by the enemy, who are often racing right back to the location in replacement ships.
But some FC's may allow looting, and then it's up to the alliance policies. A lot of alliances do have ship reimbursement programs; they'll reimburse your loss (in addition to the insurance) so you don't pay so much out of pocket, so obviously that's a huge cost for them during a war, and they may want the wrecks.
You can probably make better income by ratting in belts, mining the nullsec ores, or grouping up with mates and doing the high-end complexes than you can by waiting for wars so you can scavenge. Typically, you make ISK during peace time so you can spend it during war time.
Typically, you make ISK during peace time so you can spend it during war time.
I've seen that said by other players. It's also interesting as it's kind of like hibernation for winter (when apparently much of the serious fighting goes on, and recovery occurs during the summer).
But thanks for your input. |

Merouk Baas
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Posted - 2012.12.20 03:36:00 -
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It's because a war is not a single fight, it's 3-6 months of a huge force invading your space and you having to defend it, daily. And if you don't, you lose everything, as you'll lose access to the stations you had, where all your spare stuff is. |

Jacob Rider
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.20 03:47:00 -
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Another problem is that unless you have some sort of scheduled battle, you'll be roaming around a bit before your fleet actually finds someone to fight. Your salvage dessie that was only two systems over might be 30 systems away from the real fight location.
Or if you're thinking of doing it with an alt, I wouldn't recommend it. Keeping an alt nearby and safe (as in, not dead) as you roam is a lot of work. Your fleet needs you to be focused on the fight. |

Merouk Baas
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Posted - 2012.12.20 03:52:00 -
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On the other hand, there are plenty of roaming fleet ops and smaller scale PVP during peacetime. Nullsec people love to fight, they'll go looking for fights daily. You may be able to scavenge those wrecks, as long as your performance in the fleet doesn't suffer.
Not during war, though. War is serious business. |

Aptenodytes
Reckless Abandon
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Posted - 2012.12.20 10:27:00 -
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Inquisitive One wrote:He stated that most alliances have a policy of giving all loot and salvage to alliance coffers, effectively eliminating that source of income. Considering that I've read some posts about some pilots who have salvaged and made billions salvaging after fleet fights, im confused on this matter. You don't have to do what the alliance tells you to. Just saying'  You might find yourself kicked out, though... if you care about that.
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J'Poll
Kings of the Underground Side Effect.
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Posted - 2012.12.20 11:02:00 -
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Inquisitive One wrote:I've been thinking about ways of making some decent income once I move into nullsec. I've spoken to a friend about the potential of salvaging after mid-large fleet fights (especially with alliances that regularly deploy with t2 ships).
He stated that most alliances have a policy of giving all loot and salvage to alliance coffers, effectively eliminating that source of income. Considering that I've read some posts about some pilots who have salvaged and made billions salvaging after fleet fights, im confused on this matter.
Could anyone with experience in null sec alliances please tell me what their experiences with this are?
NO.
Post with your main and I will answer my experience with about 2 years of null-sec policies. Old look Corporation recruitment thread Corporation Website |

Dheeradj Nurgle
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.12.20 11:36:00 -
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Lol, ALT posting.
Some Alliances will have dedicated Salvagers. that swoop in after the battle to fund the Alliance. Reimbursments have to come from somewhere, but this will depend on the Alliance in question. Decent income in nullsec can be made just by Belt-ratting :/
Besina Echerie wrote:A teenager I knew once tried EVE. He was doing tutorials and my other friend that showed it to him wandered off and left him alone. He came back a few hours later and glanced up at the system. "That's in nullsec, you know." "I know." Walks off again. Walks back and looks over his shoulder. The guy was flying an Ibis around in NPC Null somewhere on a three hour old character, flying into and out of a fleet battle to scavenge modules out of wrecks and speed tanking the annoyed residents taking pot shots at him. Sometimes he'd get blown up and reappear in station with a new Ibis, and make another run. Needless to say, everyone in the neighborhood wanted him dead.
That sounds like TEST.... We would recruit that guy. |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.20 11:59:00 -
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This section is an area to help new players. Posts like "post with your main" are not appreciated here, so I have deleted such posts. Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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Disastro
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
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Posted - 2012.12.20 12:45:00 -
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Inquisitive One wrote:I've been thinking about ways of making some decent income once I move into nullsec. I've spoken to a friend about the potential of salvaging after mid-large fleet fights (especially with alliances that regularly deploy with t2 ships).
He stated that most alliances have a policy of giving all loot and salvage to alliance coffers, effectively eliminating that source of income. Considering that I've read some posts about some pilots who have salvaged and made billions salvaging after fleet fights, im confused on this matter.
Could anyone with experience in null sec alliances please tell me what their experiences with this are?
Typically in large fleet battles the FCs will be focused on the enemy fleet after they disengage and will want to get his fleet back to the primary objective (pos bash/sov grind/whatever was going on before the fight). Loose drones, loot, salvage tend to get forgotten by the guys running the fleet. Occasionally (rarely) they will give guys a few mins to loot then roll the fleet off. So yes there is often money to be made.
However, that being said. You are certainly not the first to think of this idea. Every fleet in nullsec tends to have leeches following who dont participate in the fight and who are there to loot and salvage. It usually doesnt take them long to clear the field of meaningful loot after most major null sec battles. Drones sometimes get forgotten and you can still make a ton off of those alone.
Of course, this all depends upon being blue to the inhabitants of the space you are visiting. Neutrals will always be shot by virtually all null sec entities other than the few NBSI groups around. |

Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
529
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:09:00 -
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One of the advantages of flying frigate hulls as I do is that there's often nothing combat- useful to put in a utility hislot so you might as well have an offline'd salvager. It's not uncommon for me to finish a fight, offline some mod, online my salvager, and salvage a wreck or two.
Of course, this is strictly small scale and you won't salvage a ton of things very quickly.
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
827
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:41:00 -
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Depends on your role in the fleet... the location of the fleet battle, and the desires of your Alliance...
In my experience, after decisively winning a battle, so we hold the field, we have some time to loot. It is often requests that some loot be given to people who lost ships... We don't have a ship replacement program, so we often use loot for this purpose.
Salvaging after a fight is alright... but you are rarely given enough time to truly salvage an entire field of wrecks. Generally speaking, that's done by vultures after the fight... when the fleet has stood down.
Note: There are usually better things to fit to most ships than a salvager.... Although I know a lot of covops pilots that utilize their third highslot with a salvager... (although cyno's are generally preferred). |
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