Originally by: Black Lotus

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Originally by: laserc

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Originally by: Nybbas

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Lucian you are so wrong. A Mega with rails would only be able to beat the raven if it was somehow able to fly out of torp range and hit with its 425s, probably having to use iron ammo. Then the raven warps away from the throns pitiful damage. At 40KM a megathron will prolly be using AM ammo in its 425s. You can argue that missile flight times give the thron the advantage but look at it this way. Up close the ravens missiles flight time isnt really a factor, while the megathrons close range guns are also doing superb damage. You get to 40KM and now the missiles have to fly for a considerable amount of time, however the megathron is doing a LOT less damage because they have sacrificed their high damage blasters for harder to fit (i think haha) 425 railguns. So sure your damage is taking longer to get to the target, but the megathron has gimped his damage too. When your missiles reach however, they are still doing their max damage anyways, so the advantage at going long range against a missile ship is lessened by quite a bit (especially if that raven is running a good tank, and what raven pilot with any skill isnt?) With the missile changes, ravens are not only going to be king in short range, they are ganna be even BETTER with long range, which makes me sick.... at least frigs arnt ganna be instaganked by them anymore (hopefully.)

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Maybe you should try the ship before you say things like that. A 425mm railgun II megathron at 40km with anti matter does quite a bit of damage, and can fit all 7 guns with 7 damage mods. He will kill you before your torps hit if he has decent skills.

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Here's the thing, anyone saying that a raven will agree to start a 1v1 at anything over 20km = silly. Thats like saying a tempest with 1400's starting a fight with a blasterthron at 100km, and if the blasterthron warps off, he loses and he sucks....

Be realistic pls.

Without missile defense, no ship has enough dmg output to currently take out a proper fitted raven under 20km.

@ Nybbas just try it on the regular server, remeber tho it has to be a tech2, i think torps have 125hp, and the med t2 does 140. So even 1 will give u a huge edge in any fight vs 1 caldari ship, or many. and 2 is just amazing.

The cap use and fitting is low enough, i can run one non-stop on my zealt, with all guns, and a med t2 armor repair.

Also great for eating up drones. :)

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Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK

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Vampire Domi can rip a Raven apart.

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Originally by: Lorth

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Well theres still the old debate of if a megathron can beat a raven.

Truthfully, as a mega pilot my self, I would say that no, under most instances you can not kill a raven. You can with rails for instance, get him well into armor, before the torps hit, but thats about it.

Blaster throns have an evil time killing ravens, unless set up sepcifically for them.

I fly only gallente, and I'm not complaining, because the domi WTFPWNS ravens. Theres no ship i fear more then a raven in a mega, and no ship I'm more confidant against then a raveb whne flying a domi.

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Originally by: Kaeten

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One thing that the raven SUCKS AT, and thats fltt engangements. Lets say 2v2, 2 ravens vs 2megathrons. The ravens will win close range (I've tried it), long range the megathrons will pwn.

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Originally by: Shirei

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Edited by: Shirei on 29/05/2005 13:29:42

Originally by: Kaeten

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One thing that the raven SUCKS AT, and thats fltt engangements. Lets say 2v2, 2 ravens vs 2megathrons. The ravens will win close range (I've tried it), long range the megathrons will pwn.

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Depends on the fitting. In the 2v2 where everyone starts at close range (i.e. 15k max), the Megas will rip the Ravens apart if they have a high damage fitting (i.e. 4+ damage mods each). If they are semi-tanked, they have no chance. That is assuming the Ravens use a standard tanked fitting. If they are using EW, the outcome is kinda obvious.

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Originally by: Shirei

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Maybe you approached too close and got tracking problems? 2 Blasterthrons with 7 damage mods should kill pretty much any BS in 10-15 seconds max within their optimal, unless they get too close to track properly.

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Originally by: KilROCK

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Everytime i read a topic regarding Gallente ship, Lorth is the only one i read and trust. He's just plain "experienced". And he types well, my idol! haha, just kidding.

The only thing i hate more than a raven is a Gankapest with 800mm Autocannons. Since they both do Explosion damage most of the time and i 'rarely' use explosion hardener(s).

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Originally by: Eamz

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I have found that a megathron can actually beat a raven in close range combat on most occasions.

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Originally by: LUKEC

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well, it is not all that hard to kill raven, but if you compare skills and setup price: raven will win. There is no problem killing 3months old player in raven, he has too low skills to hurt really or to fit ship as he should. But dedicated caldari vs. dedicated gallente...

i really wonder how did gallente federation survive? Did they fly those old warhorses?

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Originally by: LUKEC

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Originally by: Eamz

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I have found that a megathron can actually beat a raven in close range combat on most occasions.

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Definitely NOT true.

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