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Elrich Kouvo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2012.12.21 19:15:00 -
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FDIC Agent wrote:was linked in one of my channels last night coalition influence mapas a couple of friends pointed out to me, that is why they don't even bother with null sec and i have to agree. although it looks like it was made by a kid with crayons and a few stickers, it is pretty accurate from what i have been told Null isn't a virgin no more. I'm sure that contributes to some folks losing interest.
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Dave stark
850
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Posted - 2012.12.21 19:21:00 -
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Dank Man wrote:This is nullsec, HBC will never fight CFC full out for sov, null sec was invented for sov wars and HBC (montolio) is CFCs (mittanis) best bro, they owe their whole existence from birth (taking fountain and getting space) to the CFC... HBC has rules against shooting CFC sov, or sov structures (jump bridges and cyno jammers) to to pretend thee is any kind of hostility is a just a joke, yeah you may shoot each other once in awhile, but so do ppl in the same corp... HBC = CFC and any argument to the contrary is just plain BS. HBC pushed south because they needed to keep their blob and members interested in something or they would start to roam north too much, they put renter buffer in fountain to make it even further to travel to go north and find fights. Basically all cfc and hbc space is non hostile and free to bot to your hearts content (which they do all over). The wars are being pushed further and further from their borders and core, and entities like solar (barely 1500 members) have no chance but diplomacy and hiding (along with IRC)... every decent pvp alliance has moved south because the ones left fighting are down there, -a- and nulli and BL, and nc. are not fighting in the north, its massive blue country up there. They control 80%+ of the moons in the game, lowsec, tech and all of the south and west... which means every time you buy a t2 ship 80% of your isk is paid to the massive blue carebear blob that is CFC/HBC. Hope you enjoy their game, and hope some of these so called "pvp" alliances will pull their collective heads out their patooties and get rid of selfish alliance leaders and get to work in the target rich space that is all of the north and west. Now is the best time because PL is stuck in south, so its easy to have warning when their 20 supers start cynoing up their chain north towards your dread fleet reinforcing tech moons.... someone get something done or its only gonna get worse. CFC and HBC are the only ones saying they will eventually fight each other, are you all stupid enough to believe that coming from the mouths of them anyways? The two entities that without blues would have failed long ago. Good luck eve 2013, and anyone remaining outside the blue bubble of blob, hopefully some cfc and hbc will realize its more fun to have reds then blues and will leave the blob for real pvp, real challenges, and real excitement.
jesus christ, paragraphs dude. paragraphs. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
706
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Posted - 2012.12.21 19:36:00 -
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Kinis Deren wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:FDIC Agent wrote:was linked in one of my channels last night coalition influence mapas a couple of friends pointed out to me, that is why they don't even bother with null sec and i have to agree. although it looks like it was made by a kid with crayons and a few stickers, it is pretty accurate from what i have been told And BTW, This illustrates the difference between someone who belongs in null sec and people like you. Someone who belong in null sec would see that and go "aw hell naw" and go their just to fight the HBC/CFC tides, with a single spork in necessary. The person who should stay in high sec forever looks at the same map and gives up before undocking. TLDR real men are already in null sec. LMAO at the hostility and tears! Dude, the OP doesn't appear to have produced this map, he merely linked it in GD for everyone to see. I'd be interested in seeing CFC/HBCs' versions of the "Coalition Influence Map" to see if it was any different. 
Not hostility, MASCULINITY!
The HBC map of EVE is all pink, as pink is the only color we can see after joining the HBC.
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EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
344
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Posted - 2012.12.21 20:03:00 -
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might as well make orange (provi) and green (n3) blue because we (HBC) hold non-aggression pacts with them and aren't going to all-out sov war them anytime soon |

No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1867
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Posted - 2012.12.21 20:20:00 -
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Lets all move to highsec, throw a car up on blocks in the front yard, put a fridge out there and let our naked children run wild in the yard. . |

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
972
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Posted - 2012.12.21 20:23:00 -
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This is just distracting us, when this time would be better spent trying to think of ways to nerf hisec.  "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |

Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
266
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Posted - 2012.12.21 20:30:00 -
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No More Heroes wrote:Lets all move to highsec, throw a car up on blocks in the front yard, put a fridge out there and let our naked children run wild in the yard. Highsec is a classy place, and that just won't cut it. Ya' got's to have at least a few dogs on the front porch, nut'n says class like a few dogs on your porch. "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Dank Man
158
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Posted - 2012.12.21 20:32:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:This is just distracting us, when this time would be better spent trying to think of ways to nerf hisec. 
Nerf nullsec, its easier there to not get ganked then highsec. |

Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
2366
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Posted - 2012.12.21 20:44:00 -
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It is time for a coalition influence sov map like the alliance one Verite Rendition does. 
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |

Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
226
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Posted - 2012.12.21 20:47:00 -
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Kinis Deren wrote:I'd be interested in seeing CFC/HBCs' versions of the "Coalition Influence Map" to see if it was any different. 
Courtesy of TEST
http://i.imgur.com/r087N.jpg
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Sentamon
391
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Posted - 2012.12.21 20:58:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK5C4k3ZtdU ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
2366
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Posted - 2012.12.21 21:07:00 -
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Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:I'd be interested in seeing CFC/HBCs' versions of the "Coalition Influence Map" to see if it was any different.  Courtesy of TEST http://i.imgur.com/r087N.jpg Considering a sizable chunk of CFC and HBC are blue to each other; care to show a map reflecting that?
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |

Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
226
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Posted - 2012.12.21 21:16:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:I'd be interested in seeing CFC/HBCs' versions of the "Coalition Influence Map" to see if it was any different.  Courtesy of TEST http://i.imgur.com/r087N.jpg Considering a sizable chunk of CFC and HBC are blue to each other; care to show a map reflecting that?
Many entities in in CFC and HBC have already reset each other. GSF and TEST proper are still blue, but this doesn't include FA, Raiden., PL and quite a few others. So while Goons and Test are still friends, that doesn't spill over to friends of friends. |

Dank Man
158
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Posted - 2012.12.21 21:17:00 -
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So the "ambiguous entity" that is ExE is not CFC or HBC? funny cuz i thought they were both, and lets all be serious HBC = CFC, when was the last time TEST shot goons in an actual fight? NEVER TEST reps goons supers attacked by other HBC members. |

Dheeradj Nurgle
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
48
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Posted - 2012.12.21 21:23:00 -
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Dank Man wrote:So the "ambiguous entity" that is ExE is not CFC or HBC? funny cuz i thought they were both, and lets all be serious HBC = CFC, when was the last time TEST shot goons in an actual fight? NEVER TEST reps goons supers attacked by other HBC members.
EXE is indeed both in HBC, and CFC.
No, GSF is not CFC. TEST, and GSF are still Blue to eachother, but that does not extend for the Entire HBC/CFC. IIRC some in the HBC, and CFC are actually -10 to each other. |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
814
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Posted - 2012.12.21 21:28:00 -
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We're just doing our part to ensure everyone has a proper understanding of color theory.
Obviously it's working. |

Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
226
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Posted - 2012.12.21 21:28:00 -
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Dank Man wrote:So the "ambiguous entity" that is ExE is not CFC or HBC? funny cuz i thought they were both, and lets all be serious HBC = CFC, when was the last time TEST shot goons in an actual fight? NEVER TEST reps goons supers attacked by other HBC members.
We'll be shooting at each other in about 2 hours. But it is mostly for fun.
And ExE is in both, but CFC and HBC don't currently share much in the way of strategic interests, so that does make ExE's role sort of ambiguous. I didn't make the map, but that is my guess as to why they are colored the way they are.
Again, GSF and TEST are still blue, but that doesn't mean a member from either alliance can fly from Tenal to Esotaria and expect to see blues the entire way. |

Dank Man
160
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Posted - 2012.12.21 21:53:00 -
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so goons + test = 20000 members, about the size of the rest of HBC/CFC put together, or at least the size of the ones they have set red, you think they will every actually fight? NO. you are all blind, its only gonna get worse, hope you enjoyed the days when there was nullsec wars and not 1000+ people in a system to defend |

Alua Oresson
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
176
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Posted - 2012.12.21 21:53:00 -
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Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:I'd be interested in seeing CFC/HBCs' versions of the "Coalition Influence Map" to see if it was any different.  Courtesy of TEST http://i.imgur.com/r087N.jpg
Ah, that's the one I was referring to. Walter Stine of TEST to be exact. http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/ |

James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1522
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Posted - 2012.12.21 21:57:00 -
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*No active conflicts* Yeah, we're not invading Cobalt Edge or anything. Go back to sleep. -áObjects in mirror aren't as red as they appear. |

octahexx Charante
Morior Invictus. Ethereal Dawn
29
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Posted - 2012.12.21 21:58:00 -
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solar block is busy with war as it is there would make no sense to start more conflicts at this point. and people saying null is stagnant is sort ignoring how manny alliances that has been crushed and split under the weight of wars that cfc and hbc has waged,its been very very turbulent.
You cant blame the enemy for using diplomatics to gain numbers...thats just ********.
If cfc and hbc is so large it was done using game mechanics...the same mechanics anyone else in the game can deploy.
Ive fought the blob,we had a 80 man gang of drakes ,local climbed to 1400 of reds, somehow someone got 1400 nerds to coordinate login and form in correct ships on a titan with the morale high enough to go after us.
It sucks to be the number 80 but to ccp it means player created event made 1400 nerds login to the game.
longterm it might damage eve but that only happens if the opposing blocks dont get their **** together and start a counter movement....i dont think the moongoo matters,you dont win eve by isk,you win by demoralizing the enemy until they stop forming fleets.
tldr: beatings will continue until morale improves. |

James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1522
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Posted - 2012.12.21 22:00:00 -
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octahexx Charante wrote:somehow someone got 1400 nerds to coordinate login and form in correct ships on a titan with the morale high enough to go after us. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Messaging_and_Presence_Protocol -áObjects in mirror aren't as red as they appear. |

March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
293
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Posted - 2012.12.21 22:21:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:The HBC map of EVE is all pink, as pink is the only color we can see after joining the HBC. next time hire better diplomat....
you know: when you "join" something you get blue standings and not red  |

Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Core Federation Black Core Alliance
185
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Posted - 2012.12.21 22:23:00 -
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Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:I'd be interested in seeing CFC/HBCs' versions of the "Coalition Influence Map" to see if it was any different.  Courtesy of TEST http://i.imgur.com/r087N.jpg Nearly all of Scalding Pass and Detroid are in the hands of N3/Neo-Curse coalition. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |

Sentamon
391
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Posted - 2012.12.21 23:25:00 -
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octahexx Charante wrote: If cfc and hbc is so large it was done using game mechanics...the same mechanics anyone else in the game can deploy.
Actually you can't recruit everyone when everyone has already been recruited, but lets assume someone wants to go through the hassle of remaking making one big happy sea of blue, why not just save the time and headache and just join the existing one?
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Nylith Empyreal
Crowbar Industries. Rebel Alliance of New Eden
197
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Posted - 2012.12.21 23:30:00 -
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Neo Curse huh, I rather like the name. "Oh, you can't help that," said the troll: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" -ásaid the forumwarrior. "You must be," said the troll, "or you wouldn't have come here." |

Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
226
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Posted - 2012.12.21 23:32:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:octahexx Charante wrote: If cfc and hbc is so large it was done using game mechanics...the same mechanics anyone else in the game can deploy.
Actually you can't recruit everyone when everyone has already been recruited, but lets assume someone wants to go through the hassle of remaking making one big happy sea of blue, why not just save the time and headache and just join the existing one?
What is the alternative though?
People seem to want a nullsec that is as unfriendly with each other as possible. But what would that even look like?
For fun, all you guys that hate the sea of blue, take a map of New Eden and color code it to represent fictional alliances broken up into what you would consider and idea nullsec diplomacy landscape.
We've seen a couple maps on what it currently looks like, and what people think it looks like.
I am honestly curious about what people think it _should_ look like. |

Nylith Empyreal
Crowbar Industries. Rebel Alliance of New Eden
197
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Posted - 2012.12.21 23:34:00 -
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I would like an empire per region to be honest, in regards to above, and have some feudalism going on. But that aint happening. "Oh, you can't help that," said the troll: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" -ásaid the forumwarrior. "You must be," said the troll, "or you wouldn't have come here." |

Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
777
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Posted - 2012.12.21 23:46:00 -
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Yes OP I am quite shocked as well that so few systems were flipped in, say, the middle of a week during Xmas when everyone is going about their shopping and preparations... |

Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
2367
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Posted - 2012.12.21 23:55:00 -
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Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Sentamon wrote:octahexx Charante wrote: If cfc and hbc is so large it was done using game mechanics...the same mechanics anyone else in the game can deploy.
Actually you can't recruit everyone when everyone has already been recruited, but lets assume someone wants to go through the hassle of remaking making one big happy sea of blue, why not just save the time and headache and just join the existing one? What is the alternative though? People seem to want a nullsec that is as unfriendly with each other as possible. But what would that even look like? For fun, all you guys that hate the sea of blue, take a map of New Eden and color code it to represent fictional alliances broken up into what you would consider and idea nullsec diplomacy landscape. We've seen a couple maps on what it currently looks like, and what people think it looks like. I am honestly curious about what people think it _should_ look like. Why? So you can troll post more? Also that TEST map is inaccurate as well.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
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