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Harry Eschenbach
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Posted - 2005.05.31 00:37:00 -
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Yep thats right, cutting out instas will along with some of the other changes you guys have planned will remove a good bit of the player base.
One way to cut lag I guess.
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Tenashi
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Posted - 2005.05.31 00:43:00 -
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first time i`ll agree with an alt??? 
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Fellhand
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Posted - 2005.05.31 00:44:00 -
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It certainly will solve lag. The amount of players who will simply quit rather than spend their entire game as ganker bait will mean that every system should be utterly lag-free.
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Dakath
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Posted - 2005.05.31 01:30:00 -
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Edited by: Dakath on 31/05/2005 01:31:58
A great many people would quit just because of the excessive travel times, even in empire.
On Edit: But not me. I'd adapt.
Still. The loooong travel times can try anyone's patience. Most gamers are not noted for patience.
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JarJar Binks
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Posted - 2005.05.31 01:36:00 -
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I'll be one of those who leaves...it already takes to long to mine (Ice anyone)/Undock/change ships/align to warp and travel (even with instas) someone should cut that nerf bat down abit it's been used a tad too much lately.
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Tenashi
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Posted - 2005.05.31 01:43:00 -
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won`t leave aswell but will ditch my main 2 accounts for a couple bil and just pvp in a frig with the 3rd 
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Jessa
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Posted - 2005.05.31 01:50:00 -
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removing instas would involve removing all bookmarks of that type (those that arent linked to a celestial or anchored object), which would also mean no sniper bookmarks, no safespots and no non deadspace mission bookmarks.
If they went and removed this ability to make bookmarks in that way it would suck for gameplay, frankly the only way they could do that without having half of the playerbase whining and the other half quitting would be to have a 'warp to 0km' feature and add warp to celestial object upto and including 120k or so aswell as fixing or improving warp bubbles so the actually work properly.
The whole instajump question is a double edged blade, no matter whats done about it is going to have alot of people whining and saying 'omfg you've ruined my game im quitting' and some people will even carry that out for a couple of weeks and then come crawling back.
The average 6month+ player will have 500-1000bookmarks in his or her people & places folder, accessing them from server side causes alot of lag and there are things that can be done to reduce or completely remove said lag, and im sure all options are being explored so I wont jump on the bandwagon and start throwing in ideas left right and centre for people to start *****ing at.
I mean jesus folks, instajumps, lag, its all been done to death. Stfu already and quit or whatever you want.
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Kade Shaderow
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Posted - 2005.05.31 01:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Dakath
Edited by: Dakath on 31/05/2005 01:31:58
A great many people would quit just because of the excessive travel times, even in empire.
Even less lag! I love this idea.
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Fellhand
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Posted - 2005.05.31 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Jessa
I mean jesus folks, instajumps, lag, its all been done to death. Stfu already and quit or whatever you want.
I see your point, I really do. Thing is, we don't want to quit. Most of us love this game, I certainly do. We just don't like the direction it's being forced to take. The fact that we do ***** and whine means we care about where the game is going and when people care about teh game, it would be a good idea for CCP to listen to them (that doesn't necessarily mean doing what they want but just listening to what they have to say).
Most of us don't want to quit. I have three active accounts, paying CCP E45 a month and I'm delighted to do so because it's a great game. We don't want to quit, the players that this will drive away don't want to quit but the measure moves the balance of power so far in favour of one particular group of already powerful players, that many will be forced to quit because it just stops being fun.
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Dakath
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Posted - 2005.05.31 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kade Shaderow
Originally by: Dakath
Edited by: Dakath on 31/05/2005 01:31:58
A great many people would quit just because of the excessive travel times, even in empire.
Even less lag! I love this idea.
But lots less real-world money for CCP.
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.05.31 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: Dakath
Originally by: Kade Shaderow
Originally by: Dakath
Edited by: Dakath on 31/05/2005 01:31:58
A great many people would quit just because of the excessive travel times, even in empire.
Even less lag! I love this idea.
But lots less real-world money for CCP.
And having to travel for 2 hours just to find one shuttle to fire at.
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Jessa
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Posted - 2005.05.31 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: Fellhand
Originally by: Jessa
I mean jesus folks, instajumps, lag, its all been done to death. Stfu already and quit or whatever you want.
I see your point, I really do. Thing is, we don't want to quit. Most of us love this game, I certainly do. We just don't like the direction it's being forced to take. The fact that we do ***** and whine means we care about where the game is going and when people care about teh game, it would be a good idea for CCP to listen to them (that doesn't necessarily mean doing what they want but just listening to what they have to say).
Most of us don't want to quit. I have three active accounts, paying CCP E45 a month and I'm delighted to do so because it's a great game. We don't want to quit, the players that this will drive away don't want to quit but the measure moves the balance of power so far in favour of one particular group of already powerful players, that many will be forced to quit because it just stops being fun.
Regardless of your own personal feelings, the fact remains that all this whining accomplishes nothing constructive. Sure a big change like this would really screw alot of people over, but only for a short time. Look at it this way, the MWD nerf & the EW nerf/upgrade was met with whining and *****ing from half the playerbase that regularly troll this forum.
The afformentioned changes screwed things up for a while and then people adapted to them. And now there isnt so much complaining; any changes made to the game mechanics are usually made for the best, and with good reason but people seem to still feel the need to open their mouths and whine and complain.
Even the most constructive criticism or suggestion usually gets flamed out of existance or steered down some biased discussion or other or completely derailed and locked alltogether because one loudmouthed asshat cant keep his mouth shut about instajumps or lag or the missile nerf or whatever other popular complain of the day there is.
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Daidoji Ekiken
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Posted - 2005.05.31 02:32:00 -
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I would quit the game if they'd move instas.
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BlueSmok
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Posted - 2005.05.31 02:44:00 -
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I'm on the same band wagon. There are a few new MMORPGs coming out next year that will get a serious look at by myself and a few others that I play with. One has some of the same qualities of eve, and some finer points that I wish had. Either way people will leave or people will join and not notice a difference, I just wish the Devs luck on making everyone they can happy without shooting themselves in the foot.
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Alain Josviar
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Posted - 2005.05.31 02:51:00 -
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Originally by: Daidoji Ekiken
I would quit the game if they'd move instas.
I'd say its safe to say that instas are going to go bye-bye, but the million dollar question is what game mechanics are CCP going to introduce that'll replace at least some of the functionality instas provide. I doubt CCP has intentions of dropping instas without providing a suitable replacement mechanic. To do so, would be to commit business suicide.
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Ariel322
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Posted - 2005.05.31 03:03:00 -
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Is it me or did you all deliberately miss the part where Keiron said they haven't decided what to do?
Learn to read or quit the game already. This thread is a total waste of bandwidth.
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Vlad Morrolan
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Posted - 2005.05.31 03:58:00 -
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one easy way to deal with instas, do a variant of what it seems jump drives are going to do: make jumpgates take time to set up to jump you.
say you have to be within 15 km or so of the gate 30 seconds to a minute, and you don't have people worrying about how it takes 3 minutes to cover the 15 km to a gate, and instas don't make you invulnerable. If you jump in at 15km, it spends the time you're approaching to align your jump, if you warp in right on top of it, you have to sit while it works out your jump path.
would that not work well enough for most people?
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ollobrains
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Posted - 2005.05.31 04:00:00 -
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Add more database capacity at CCP end or another idea limit each player to a total of 1000 BMs - anymore than that and have a no can do you must delete one BM first before adding another - this might make people a little bit more careful with what they BM
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.05.31 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: ollobrains
Add more database capacity at CCP end or another idea limit each player to a total of 1000 BMs - anymore than that and have a no can do you must delete one BM first before adding another - this might make people a little bit more careful with what they BM
Now theres some fresh ideas! I like idea about limiting instas people can have. This way everyone could still have their favorite instas and it would reduce lag. How about 256 instas per player? However you could have possibility to stack leftover instas to containers and leave em there. When you need to swamp 'em or visit another region, change bookmarks.. but that would cause lag itself.
I rarely use instas because they aren't that nice (Traving unsafe 0.0 only place) so I would vote remove instas and put Jump to 10km option and 100km.
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Mrs FrontBottom
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Posted - 2005.05.31 09:23:00 -
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Edited by: Mrs FrontBottom on 31/05/2005 09:23:31
Yep, just limit bm's to 250 or so,if you take the insta's out, you'll never get the Exodus to 0.0 to happen. I would definatly have to rethink how much I play this game if insta's are taken out if at all
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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.05.31 09:31:00 -
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There is a posted alternative to instas in the idea lab. Check it out and leave your comments.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=185528
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.05.31 09:35:00 -
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omg.
Whines about huge swords of impending doomage that threaten to bankrupt CCP when they change something are lame ok ?
If you dont get what you want, dont resort to goodbye threats. either just go ot stfu, thank you.
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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.05.31 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
omg.
Whines about huge swords of impending doomage that threaten to bankrupt CCP when they change something are lame ok ?
If you dont get what you want, dont resort to goodbye threats. either just go ot stfu, thank you.
CCP cares. Thats why they havent changed it. There are very reasonable suggestions to change it and still maintain all the goals of Eve. I made a thread in the ideas forum which illustrates one.
If they removed instas without doing anything to comdpensate, they would loose a ton of customers. I dont know how many but enough that they havent done anything about it up to now. I imagine we could be looking at 50% of the customer base. Therefore the suggestions have to offer a REASONABLE alternative to IJBMs and not simply tell everyone that disagrees to STFU.
Personally i truly believe that if isntas or an alternative arent there then the game will degenerate fast.
Check out my thread on it and comment on it instead of hanginf around smacktalking.
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Posted - 2005.05.31 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Derisor
CCP cares. Thats why they havent changed it. There are very reasonable suggestions to change it and still maintain all the goals of Eve. I made a thread in the ideas forum which illustrates one.
To which Oveur would have replied, hadn't he decided that a dev blog'd be a better idea 
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Damon Vile
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Posted - 2005.05.31 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Derisor
I imagine we could be looking at 50% of the customer base.
Did you know that 99% of all stats given by players on game forums are 100% BS
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Cebed
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Posted - 2005.05.31 11:37:00 -
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omg.
Whines about huge swords of impending doomage that threaten to bankrupt CCP when they change something are lame ok ?
If you dont get what you want, dont resort to goodbye threats. either just go ot stfu, thank you.
If you dont like something you speak up about it. If ppl think the changes are bad enough to make them quit they should tell us and CCP about it.
That's how democracy works, ppl complain and things might get better in the end.
As for myself i see no problem with the current system with instas. If you wanna catch a guy with instas you use a bubble. If ppl have trouble using bubbles the bubbles need to be changed, not the bm system.
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Countess Kari
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Posted - 2005.05.31 12:03:00 -
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What I get a kick out of is, every one complains when something changes in the game that effects thier play style, and when it doesn't effect them but does others, they say the people that are complaining are whiners.
Not everyone play Eve for the same reason, I love Eve for its realizm, been to 0.0 space, lost more ships there then I can count, done the PVP, done the mining, now doing Agent missions, why, cause I can do them solo and not have to depend on anyone else, not that grouping with anyone is a problem. Like alot of you, I'll wait to see what the changes actualy are, I'll see how many ships I loose getting ganked in low secure areas trying to do high level agent missions, I feel like I am being forced to play a style I do not want to play at this time, once the Gankers know the Agent routes, they will have a blast playing Eve while causing others like myself to have to keep the same ship setup for PVP instead of a setup for doing missions.
It seemed like Eve always had something for all the different play styles, players making their choice in what they did in the game. People want to be Pirates, so be it, that is their choice, not a thing wrong with it, but that is not my choice at this time, it just seems that in the quest to force people out into Deeper space they are making it harder for people that do not want to do PVP stuff avoid it. I think its going to change alot, the whole ship setup used for missions will be useless because everyone is going to have to be forced to run PVP type setups, which is not as good for missions.
So I'll be waiting to see the changes, if I do not like them, you wont see me complaining on here, I'll just drop my 3 accounts because I won't play a game that is not fun to me.
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Technolisa
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Posted - 2005.05.31 12:05:00 -
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Remove instas and Highway gates it will be like in beta 99 jumps on auto pilot
its time for u spoiled whiners to feel the pain of beta testers 
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Capt Hindgrinder
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Posted - 2005.05.31 12:06:00 -
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Taking out bookmarks seems pretty "unrealistic" to me.
Makes more sence to add new stuff rather than change features that everyone is already familiar with.
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Capt Hindgrinder
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Posted - 2005.05.31 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Tenashi
won`t leave aswell but will ditch my main 2 accounts for a couple bil and just pvp in a frig with the 3rd
Kinda thinking the same thing...but prolly pvp in a HAC instead. :)
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