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Emo Ragequit Mish 4 free 0	Posted - 2012.12.25 09:36:00 - [31] - Quote Katran Luftschreck wrote: I was never AFK during these missions because it was impossible to do so. This is plain wrong. There was about 6-8 missions where an AFK heavies setup was entirely possible. EG The Blockade: warp in, turn on auto targetter, get agro, launch drones, come back in 50mins and it's done, doesn't matter if triggers are killed early or not. There were about 3 or 4 more missions where it was mostly afk. You just had to take out about 8 of the high dps ships manually first so that your dual LAR tank didn't break.
Robertina Bering Local resources exhausted 22	Posted - 2012.12.25 09:38:00 - [32] - Quote Emo Ragequit wrote: This is plain wrong. There was about 6-8 missions where an AFK heavies setup was entirely possible. EG The Blockade: warp in, turn on auto targetter, get agro, launch drones, come back in 50mins and it's done, doesn't matter if triggers are killed early or not. Really? Do you really wanna tell us that new waves didn't aggro your drones? I have an absolutely different experience then.
Sjugar Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 49	Posted - 2012.12.25 09:42:00 - [33] - Quote Ok, I like to fly domis. Because of the changes to drone damage amplifiers their damage got extra buffed 800 dps with tech 2 gardes. The introduction of the new drone damage amps and now the buffing from 15% to 23% mean in recent times drone users have gotten a lot and I mean a lot of love. Also I seem to be dealing with the new AI just fine.
Jonah Gravenstein Holistic Materials Research Council 4490	Posted - 2012.12.25 09:42:00 - [34] - Quote Robertina Bering wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: The Dev Blog FAQ wrote: 3 Q) Will NPC's kill my drones? A) Yes, but they don't hate them nearly as much as sleepers. I ran 9 level 4 missions and lost 2 drones. It does mean you need to pay more attention though. We can adjust their hatred of drones though which is why we are asking for feedback when this hits a test server. Yep, he ran 8 lvl4 courier missions and Recon 1/3 where he lost his 2 drones, just because his Falcon has only two... Since the new AI hit I've run multiple lvl 4's, even before they toned down the AI I wasn't losing drones left right and centre, so far I'm in for 5 hobgoblin 2's in somewhere around 30 missions, and 2 of those were in The Assault (Serps) because the Elite frigs will attack light drones, now I don't fly a drone boat, but I do watch my drone health, my main weapons take an age to kill frigates. Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid. The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth, it's how effectively you can enforce your will on others.
Robertina Bering Local resources exhausted 23	Posted - 2012.12.25 09:49:00 - [35] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Since the new AI hit I've run multiple lvl 4's, even before they toned down the AI I wasn't losing drones left right and centre, so far I'm in for 5 hobgoblin 2's in somewhere around 30 missions, and 2 of those were in The Assault (Serps) because the Elite frigs will switch and attack light drones. I don't fly a drone bonused boat, but I do watch my drone health, I need them for the frigates as my main weapons take an age to kill them. Never got instapopped drones right in the moment when you're launched them? Lucky you.
Jonah Gravenstein Holistic Materials Research Council 4490	Posted - 2012.12.25 10:00:00 - [36] - Quote Robertina Bering wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Since the new AI hit I've run multiple lvl 4's, even before they toned down the AI I wasn't losing drones left right and centre, so far I'm in for 5 hobgoblin 2's in somewhere around 30 missions, and 2 of those were in The Assault (Serps) because the Elite frigs will switch and attack light drones. I don't fly a drone bonused boat, but I do watch my drone health, I need them for the frigates as my main weapons take an age to kill them. Never got instapopped drones right in the moment when you're launched them? Lucky you. That may be because since the new expansion I only unleash my drones when I actually need them? such as when I've been triple webbed and scrammed by NPCs? Like I said, I don't fly a ship with drone bonuses so they aren't my main source of DPS, when they are out I'm actively trying to get any aggro switched back to me by target painting or webbing the tackler. patchnotes for Retribution 1.0.7 wrote: NPCs will now only target drones in their size category. Elite frigates and cruisers NPCs will go for small drones and above. Frigates and Cruisers NPCs will go for medium drones and above. Battleship NPCs will go for large drones I only use light drones, the only NPCs that should target them are Elite Frigates. When I upgrade my lvl4 boat to something that can use mediums, heavies and sentries then my tactics with drones may well change. Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid. The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth, it's how effectively you can enforce your will on others.
Emo Ragequit Mish 4 free 0	Posted - 2012.12.25 10:08:00 - [37] - Quote Robertina Bering wrote: [quote=Emo Ragequit] Really? Do you really wanna tell us that new waves didn't aggro your drones? I have an absolutely different experience then. Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. I'm talking about pre-Retribution, as was the OP. If new spawns target your drones then that would render the mission non-afkable. Massive Attack, Gone beserk, Mordus HH (pocket 1 only), The Score, The Blockade - were all 100% afkable Intercept the Sab, The Assault, Unauthorized Military Presence, Pirate Invasion, Vengeance - were all afkable after killing some of the high dps 1st This was all in Gallente space All done in this: [Dominix, Afk heavies] Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Large Armor Repairer II Large Armor Repairer II Capacitor Power Relay II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Drone Navigation Computer II Drone Navigation Computer II Civilian Gatling Autocannon, Civilian Autocannon Ammo Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I Salvager I Automated Targeting Unit I Automated Targeting Unit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Ogre II x5
Jack Miton Aperture Harmonics K162 1014	Posted - 2012.12.25 10:18:00 - [38] - Quote just cos you never figured out how to afk drone missions doesnt mean other people didnt. it really wasnt very hard...
Teardrop Butterfly Vengeful Swan 14	Posted - 2012.12.25 10:33:00 - [39] - Quote I used to afk in a super tanked dual rep domi. Go in, grab aggro, launch Ogres, come back in 40 minutes. Fast? No. Easy? Yes. Effortless? Yes.
Dheeradj Nurgle Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 69	Posted - 2012.12.25 10:34:00 - [40] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Nerf FoF missiles as well. My Battle Badgers do not aprove of this product.
I Love Boobies All Hail Boobies 236	Posted - 2012.12.25 10:46:00 - [41] - Quote I too fly a drone boat, a Rattlesnake. But I am not going to quit over the NPC AI changes. I had thought about it when Retribution first came out, but that was mostly because of the full room aggro bug that even made my passive Rattlesnake melt under the onslaught. Once that was fixed, things are fine again once I adapted. Adaption is the key word here OP. Large Micro Jump Drive. As soon as you come out of warp, activate the LMJD. Use that, get distance, then use your sentries, assuming that you use them as any good "drone captain" should, to pick off all the small ships too along with the rest of them. It works very well, and missions actually go faster than ever before because you get better hits with your sentries at range, even on the frigate sized rats. Even though I liked your post OP because you were mostly spot on about the mythical AFK drone boat mission runners, I disagree with you about unsubscribing. Don't unsubscribe because of it. Adapt. That is the key to Eve, even for mission runners. ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) The world would be a better place if boobies ran the world instead of boobs.
Asuka Solo Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises 1894	Posted - 2012.12.25 12:35:00 - [42] - Quote I say As a former Drone Admiral, I support this service announcement. Katran Luftschreck wrote: TL;DR: People who aren't drone captains make up crap about drone captains, CCP believes them and nerfs all drones based on phony claims. Real drone captains ignored, told to HTFU or unsub. Drone captains unsub in disgust. Working as intended. QFTW Just like: Nullbears crying about hi-sec PvPers crying about mining Jihaddists crying about Concord worm-holers crying about local outside of whs hobo-rifter pilots crying about capitals being too hard to kill capitals crying about super DPS bc blobs crying about bridge fleets spacebears crying about spacebarbie Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2045	Posted - 2012.12.25 12:43:00 - [43] - Quote Asuka Solo wrote: I say As a former Drone Admiral, I support this service announcement. Katran Luftschreck wrote: TL;DR: People who aren't drone captains make up crap about drone captains, CCP believes them and nerfs all drones based on phony claims. Real drone captains ignored, told to HTFU or unsub. Drone captains unsub in disgust. Working as intended. QFTW Just like: Nullbears crying about hi-sec PvPers crying about mining Jihaddists crying about Concord worm-holers crying about local outside of whs hobo-rifter pilots crying about capitals being too hard to kill capitals crying about super DPS bc blobs crying about bridge fleets spacebears crying about spacebarbie Because mining, highsec and concord were nerfed.... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 737	Posted - 2012.12.25 13:00:00 - [44] - Quote Katran Luftschreck wrote: I'm a former drone captain. I did L4 missions in drone boats. I was never AFK during these missions because it was impossible to do so. Drone boats had to be just as aware & alert as any other kind of ship, and more: We had to watch the health of our drones as well as our own ship. TLDR but this stuck out. If you weren't able to go afk then you were doing it wrong. Were there missions that couldn't be left entirely to the drones, sure. But if done right, those were few and far between. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX!
Funky Lazers Shin-Ra Ltd 85	Posted - 2012.12.25 14:22:00 - [45] - Quote Asuka Solo wrote: I say As a former Drone Admiral, I support this service announcement. Katran Luftschreck wrote: TL;DR: People who aren't drone captains make up crap about drone captains, CCP believes them and nerfs all drones based on phony claims. Real drone captains ignored, told to HTFU or unsub. Drone captains unsub in disgust. Working as intended. QFTW Just like: Nullbears crying about hi-sec PvPers crying about mining Jihaddists crying about Concord worm-holers crying about local outside of whs hobo-rifter pilots crying about capitals being too hard to kill capitals crying about super DPS bc blobs crying about bridge fleets spacebears crying about spacebarbie Double QFTW. "Adapt" - means you have to stop using the ship you like and start flying Drake or Tengu like the rest nullbear newbs.
Asuka Solo Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises 1896	Posted - 2012.12.25 15:21:00 - [46] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Asuka Solo wrote: I say As a former Drone Admiral, I support this service announcement. Katran Luftschreck wrote: TL;DR: People who aren't drone captains make up crap about drone captains, CCP believes them and nerfs all drones based on phony claims. Real drone captains ignored, told to HTFU or unsub. Drone captains unsub in disgust. Working as intended. QFTW Just like: Nullbears crying about hi-sec PvPers crying about mining Jihaddists crying about Concord worm-holers crying about local outside of whs hobo-rifter pilots crying about capitals being too hard to kill capitals crying about super DPS bc blobs crying about bridge fleets spacebears crying about spacebarbie Because mining, highsec and concord were nerfed.... No. But people complaining about those things wish they get nerfed. Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2051	Posted - 2012.12.25 15:37:00 - [47] - Quote Asuka Solo wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: Asuka Solo wrote: I say As a former Drone Admiral, I support this service announcement. Katran Luftschreck wrote: TL;DR: People who aren't drone captains make up crap about drone captains, CCP believes them and nerfs all drones based on phony claims. Real drone captains ignored, told to HTFU or unsub. Drone captains unsub in disgust. Working as intended. QFTW Just like: Nullbears crying about hi-sec PvPers crying about mining Jihaddists crying about Concord worm-holers crying about local outside of whs hobo-rifter pilots crying about capitals being too hard to kill capitals crying about super DPS bc blobs crying about bridge fleets spacebears crying about spacebarbie Because mining, highsec and concord were nerfed.... No. But people complaining about those things wish they get nerfed. Katran Luftschreck wrote: CCP believes them and nerfs all drones based on phony claims. Real drone captains ignored, told to HTFU or unsub. Drone captains unsub in disgust. Working as intended. Yes, I can't wait for these events to occur with mining, CONCORD and the like. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Rengerel en Distel Amarr Science and Industry 646	Posted - 2012.12.25 16:38:00 - [48] - Quote Mr Kidd wrote: Katran Luftschreck wrote: I'm a former drone captain. I did L4 missions in drone boats. I was never AFK during these missions because it was impossible to do so. Drone boats had to be just as aware & alert as any other kind of ship, and more: We had to watch the health of our drones as well as our own ship. TLDR but this stuck out. If you weren't able to go afk then you were doing it wrong. Were there missions that couldn't be left entirely to the drones, sure. But if done right, those were few and far between. I'm not sure that "doing it right" should mean playing the game while not playing the game. Sure, you could afk some missions, but at that point, why bother playing? It'd be easier to just buy a plex at that point. Also, the main problem with the AI is not for level 4s, it's for the new players in drone boats. They don't have the gunnery/missile skills to take out frigs. They're not going to pop frigs from 80km away when the targeting range of their ship is 20km, etc.
Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 738	Posted - 2012.12.25 17:07:00 - [49] - Quote Rengerel en Distel wrote: Mr Kidd wrote: Katran Luftschreck wrote: I'm a former drone captain. I did L4 missions in drone boats. I was never AFK during these missions because it was impossible to do so. Drone boats had to be just as aware & alert as any other kind of ship, and more: We had to watch the health of our drones as well as our own ship. TLDR but this stuck out. If you weren't able to go afk then you were doing it wrong. Were there missions that couldn't be left entirely to the drones, sure. But if done right, those were few and far between. I'm not sure that "doing it right" should mean playing the game while not playing the game. Sure, you could afk some missions, but at that point, why bother playing? It'd be easier to just buy a plex at that point. Also, the main problem with the AI is not for level 4s, it's for the new players in drone boats. They don't have the gunnery/missile skills to take out frigs. They're not going to pop frigs from 80km away when the targeting range of their ship is 20km, etc. I can see your point. But, here's mine: The game requires a certain amount of farming if you're not willing to fork our rl cash to buy everything you want. So, after the 1000th time you've run the same mission so you can afford more stuff as a nooblet, what is there left to gain out of missioning but isk? You have to do it. There's no entertainment value out of the same unchanging content, AI improvements aside. So, are you expecting that everyone should automatically enjoy that or hit what is essentially an autopilot button for missions and go do something else more enjoyable? IDK about you but, about the only activity in my life I can do repetitively non-stop without getting completely and utterly bored with it is tossing one off. But then I do tend to change up the interwebzor pr0nsgirls I'm looking at. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX!
Elvis Fett Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats 146	Posted - 2012.12.25 17:23:00 - [50] - Quote Retribution is the best expansion ever! Not only did we get all sorts of fixes, no more GCC, and all sorts of viable ships that were once not; CCP has also taken out the trash by getting rid of players like you that refuse to adapt. Good riddance to bad rubbish I say. Merry Christmas <3
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 10793	Posted - 2012.12.25 17:55:00 - [51] - Quote Asuka Solo wrote: Katran Luftschreck wrote: TL;DR: People who aren't drone captains make up crap about drone captains, CCP believes them and nerfs all drones based on phony claims. Real drone captains ignored, told to HTFU or unsub. Drone captains unsub in disgust. Working as intended. QFTW It would have to be QFTW rather than just QFT, I suppose, since none of what was said in that paragraph was particularly close to the truth. Drones have not been nerfed; no-one has made up any crap about people using drones; GÇ£real drone captainsGÇ¥ have had no problems adjusting to the new AI, and no-one has unsubbed. GÇªor, well, I suppose that the GÇ£working as intendedGÇ¥ bit was kind of true, except for the full-room-aggro bug, but that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Makre Heodener 2	Posted - 2012.12.25 18:48:00 - [52] - Quote repeat post with magicness of the internet.
Makre Heodener 2	Posted - 2012.12.25 18:49:00 - [53] - Quote Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: LOL at all these people pretending they've never heard of an AFK mission drone boat or saying it's impossible. When the AI changes were first put on the table and people mentioned AFK drone boats, it took me all of 10 seconds (conservatively) to figure out how I'd make such a ship, then another couple of minutes fitting one in EFT. I later tested it just fine on the test server. AFK drone and complex boats exist, and what do you know? They fare just fine. This change had nothing to do with AFK drone boats and CCP never once said that it did. The thing is, I really haven't noticed any other changes to rat behavior other than them targeting drones more often. Especially if you are using light drones with a battleship to clear away frigate rats. That is where a lot of the deal with rats targeting stuff with a closer sig radius really stands out. None of the other ships/tactics I've used for ratting have changed because of the new AI though. Chasing them down and blasting them with close range weapons works exactly as it did before. Kiting them and flinging long range weapons works the same as before. Handling drones is the only thing that changed, so I don;t blame people for calling this a "drone nerf". /summed up and QFTT Thats this patch and people who say this was good, all turret users. Thank you for being honest about it. (Maybe a bit more ewar)b
Lady Spank Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED 3060	Posted - 2012.12.25 19:00:00 - [54] - Quote I used to 'afk drone boat' all the time, when I could bear to do missions at all. You just have to choose the correct missions that aggro your ship and not the drones. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â)

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