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Bda Love
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.25 13:14:00 -
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come on CCP!!
as soon as i launch my drones they get attacked.
they dont even make the 5k m before they die
ffs |
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
187
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Posted - 2012.12.25 16:15:00 -
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I believe this is the number 95864784124 post going about AI is finally good. |
Makre
Heodener
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Posted - 2012.12.25 16:34:00 -
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Flurk Hellbron wrote:I believe this is the number 95864784124 post going about AI is finally good.
/ I use a turret boat
There translated |
Moonasha
Orcses and Goblinz
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Posted - 2012.12.25 21:07:00 -
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I haven't found it to be that bad, it just requires a little bit of micro. Pull a drone in when his shields get shot. Repeat. Shoot frigs as they approach. It makes missions a little more fun. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
134
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Posted - 2012.12.25 21:35:00 -
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Sentry drones.
"it put ore down in can or it gets the hose again"
Leeloo Dallas Multipass - "Big bada boom"
http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg |
Robertina Bering
Local resources exhausted
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Posted - 2012.12.25 22:19:00 -
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Moonasha wrote:I haven't found it to be that bad, it just requires a little bit of micro. Pull a drone in when his shields get shot. Repeat. Shoot frigs as they approach. It makes missions a little more fun.
Especially when you're land (after jump) right on scrambling frigs knees and all your drones instapopped after lauch :) |
Sgt LoveDragon
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.12.26 07:05:00 -
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Moonasha wrote:I haven't found it to be that bad, it just requires a little bit of micro. Pull a drone in when his shields get shot. Repeat. Shoot frigs as they approach. It makes missions a little more fun. e
This doesn't work in a L5 unless your finger is on the button for recall. Lets hope the drone isnt webbed. And your turret ship isnt td'd down to 6km range. Or sensor damped to 20-30km Sentries die pretty damn fast too. Not to mention they don't exactly kill scram elite frigates very quickly. |
bufnitza calatoare
Nex Angelus.
Unclaimed.
11
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Posted - 2012.12.26 11:38:00 -
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Bda Love wrote:come on CCP!!
as soon as i launch my drones they get attacked.
they dont even make the 5k m before they die
ffs
too soon 1/10
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Dheeradj Nurgle
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
79
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Posted - 2012.12.26 12:03:00 -
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How about learning to play with your drones. Learn to micro, |
bufnitza calatoare
Nex Angelus.
Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2012.12.28 19:26:00 -
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Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:How about learning to play with your drones. Learn to micro,
while that's all fine and dandy
I did a angel 8/10 before down time none of my drones got agro till the last room
I launch they get insta popped by the elite frigs..
I just swapped out for a racial smart bomb. took care of the drone hating npc frigs and after they was gone. drones took care of everything else. :)
adaption ftw \o/ |
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Warcalibre
FDA Shipwrights
8
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Posted - 2012.12.28 21:46:00 -
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Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:How about learning to play with your drones. Learn to micro,
Demo of new drone micro reqs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbpCLqryN-Q |
Paskis Robinson
Dropbear Preservation Society
Test Alliance Please Ignore
8
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Posted - 2012.12.28 23:39:00 -
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LOL yeah. Micromanaging drones doesn't work when they are 30km away and need to be recalled to dock to drop aggro. Fundamentally the new AI ought to be an improvement, it should have made PvE more interesting, rather than the absolutely predictable "I have all the aggro" old AI. Sadly it's failed, it's just as predictable, but in a more annoying way that is beating the snot out of solo PvE play.
CCP usually tunes and fixes this stuff. Sadly sometimes it takes them 2 years. (faction warfare!.. ECM.. black ops.. oh wait, they're still crap)
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Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.12.28 23:49:00 -
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Bda Love wrote:come on CCP!!
as soon as i launch my drones they get attacked.
they dont even make the 5k m before they die
ffs
lrn2eve
Fly Minmatar Air --- "Trust in the Rust!" |
Rain6637
Team Evil
366
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Posted - 2012.12.29 02:22:00 -
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adaption?
billy, mom and dad won't tell you this, but... you're adapted
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Buckingham Buckingham is my Vanilla Sky ||-áVincent Athena, I made something for you: http://i.imgur.com/hrxcc.jpg |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
342
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Posted - 2012.12.29 05:02:00 -
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Makre wrote:Flurk Hellbron wrote:I believe this is the number 95864784124 post going about AI is finally good. / I use a missile boat There translated
FTFY because TDs.
That said, I don't have much experience with high-level complexes where this becomes an issue. Did someone try MJD with a sniping setup (be it with guns, sentries or whatever else) there? That works for missions but ofc they are nothing like hard plexes... |
Paskis Robinson
Dropbear Preservation Society
Test Alliance Please Ignore
8
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Posted - 2012.12.29 06:18:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:adaption?
billy, mom and dad won't tell you this, but... you're adapted
Make a suggestion as to how, please. Everyone here would LOVE to adapt (you're not seeing 'wahhh I quit') it's just that the options for dealing with the AI change mostly make for uninteresting play.
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Chicken Pizza
Penumbra Institute
Villore Accords
78
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Posted - 2012.12.29 06:36:00 -
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Moonasha wrote:I haven't found it to be that bad, it just requires a little bit of micro. Pull a drone in when his shields get shot. Repeat. Shoot frigs as they approach. It makes missions a little more fun.
Not all rats use the AI in the same way. Mission NPCs are very easy to handle in this fashion. Belt rats, however, instalock your lights and pop one before the server even has time to process a drone recall. Go try to kill a couple of guardian frigates with Hobgoblin II's and you'll see what I mean. |
vasuul
BLUE M00N Fetish Group
Eternus Imperium Alliance
124
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Posted - 2013.01.04 10:55:00 -
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i saw that video on micro
if by micro you mean squint my eyes and talk another language and beat my keyboard like a spastic epileptic to play a game i will pass
and anyone that says this new AI doesn't kill drones in missions has obviously not flown a mission since the changes
or at least not a level 4
i left with 12 Valkyrie T2 i came home with 5 and they were so shot to hell i had to repair them too , all my drones have to do is kill frigs i always kill everything else before releasing them and i have all drone skills to 5
i have tried a few ewar drones in the mix and they don't help i launch and recall and still they die
i am not a noob either i been playing since 2007 So don't even go there
point being this drone aggro is crap i don't see a pure drone boat being of any use ever in missions with these changes much less a a well tanked battle ship with auto cannons
as for posting this hoping for a response from CCP yeah good luck with that the devs have not said a word on this since before Christmas and i doubt that will change anytime soon what with the Fan fest planning ETC
every post has fallen on deaf ears and this one will be no different
as for those that say it makes missions more fun lets see how fun it is when all your drones die and you are webbed and scrammed and jammed with no way out , sure you may can tank it but you are stuck hoping someone will be nice enough to come help you out of the jam you got yourself in , When that day comes the salty tears from you will be like sweet nectar
Honestly i hope CCP does reply to this post ,but i think you have a better chance of winning the lottery |
Scien Inkunen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.04 20:25:00 -
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Do not deploy drones until you get full aggro (solid red bleep crosses) and they wont be killed.
Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life ! |
Sasha Vykos
Orphans of Perdition
4
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Posted - 2013.01.04 20:55:00 -
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Yeah this is the Ba-gil-ianth time this has been posted (yes that is a real number).
I still fly my Rattlesnake doing level 4's (noob i know but i can watch cartoons at the same time)
I haven't lost a single drone since day one of the new patch when the new AI caught me off guard, since then i've used a TP and even a micro jump drive to solve my pesky frig probs,
Wooooomp jump 100 km and blow those little buggers up with sentries...
People that say adapt ... well it maybe patronising, but its True...
As for complexes I haven't left my corner of the universe for a while to see how they're affected so I'll not comment on those. .. |
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Kestrix
Industrial Renaissance
MinTek Conglomerate
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Posted - 2013.01.04 21:01:00 -
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I use a Rattle Snake. Sentry drones rip the NPC's apart + you get 4 Cruise missile launchers. If your drones do get aggro scoop them up and boot em back out. If you find you are getting surrounded by NPC's use a Micro Jump Drive to Jump 100 km away and you'll find your drones don't get hit even if they do get aggro at that distance.
Hope that helps :) |
Grombutz
Treasures Collectors
Solar Citizens
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Posted - 2013.01.04 21:33:00 -
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End of all solution can't be to "just use sentries".. |
Kestrix
Industrial Renaissance
MinTek Conglomerate
53
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Posted - 2013.01.04 21:59:00 -
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Grombutz wrote:End of all solution can't be to "just use sentries"..
I've tried to use heavy drones and they are good against NPC's that like to orbit at under 10 km as I have time to get them back when they get aggro. Bouncer II are great at range they will insta pop frigs and take out cruisers very quickly . Coupled with the 4 Cruise missile launchers Battle ships last a little longer but not much... if they get with in 40 km of my ship I switch to garde II. As I don't like turrets Sentry drones make the most sense to me.
I tried using a Raven and hated it... lost loads of drones with that. Domi is good for drones again but it's allot slower than a Rattle Snake. Basically you need ship bonuses + high skill points + drone upgrades to make them efficient enough to be reliable in lvl 4 missions... This is my opinion based on my experiences running level 4 missions. |
Glathull
Suicidal Panda Tears of Love and Death
38
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Posted - 2013.01.04 22:14:00 -
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Wait, what? What is this new AI you're talking about? Did something about rats change to make them hate drones more? I've not heard about this before . . . . |
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
86
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Posted - 2013.01.05 01:22:00 -
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The only stupid thing about it is now EVE pve is even more bland.
I mean before you had differnt AI's to learn from Missions to DED to WH's. Now there all just kind of the same. bland.
Pluse high sec level 1-4 were the training wheels of newbies. Guess they only get one wheel on one side of there bike now lolz.
Is it a rock point a lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship point a lazer at it and profit. I dont see any problems here. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
192
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Posted - 2013.01.05 10:52:00 -
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Paskis Robinson wrote:LOL yeah. Micromanaging drones doesn't work when they are 30km away and need to be recalled to dock to drop aggro. Fundamentally the new AI ought to be an improvement, it should have made PvE more interesting, rather than the absolutely predictable "I have all the aggro" old AI. Sadly it's failed, it's just as predictable, but in a more annoying way that is beating the snot out of solo PvE play. CCP usually tunes and fixes this stuff. Sadly sometimes it takes them 2 years. (faction warfare!.. ECM.. black ops.. oh wait, they're still crap)
I said that months (if not years) ago.
anyways I haven't run a mission in months (haven't been subbed in months either) I for the most part use turret boats and pop frigs and long range. hell half the time I forget I even have drones (and if I'm multiboxing I forget even more because usually I forget to recall them and lose a few). |
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