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Cachorro Louco
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Posted - 2003.07.09 13:41:00 -
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Twogunzz what people are basicly saying is to "live with it till it is fixed or think of a work around".
You need to be flixable and think "outside the box".
You can:
1. Work has a team when mining. Have an Indie set next to you collecting the ore has you dump it.
2. Don't dump it in space and just make the trip back to base.
3. Have an Alt kill the rip off artist.
4. Go to 0.0 non-empire space and kill em there with no worries of cops.
5. Look at the lose of ore has an expense of doing business. Wastage or spillage or paying off the local mafia.
6. Move your op to a differtn System and/or belt.
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Lao Tzu
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Posted - 2003.07.09 14:04:00 -
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It's simple, items in a can are public property, you have thrown them away in the eyes of the Law.
If you don't want people to take stuff then don't throw it away.
If I put something in a public litter bin, and someone takes it, I am not, I hope, entitled to beat them up.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.07.09 17:08:00 -
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Sorry twogunzz, we thought you'd gone.
And you say 4 other people left for the same reason? You gotta be thicker skinned than that to interact with a server of 5,000 people.
There is at least a 5-15% chance of a member of a community being retarded/funny/creepy/weak/dishonest/heroic/etc. and the rest are just your average joes. You have to expect to meet people like that.
I'd suggest doing some agent missions until the new secure containers are available, or a good man with an indy.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.07.09 17:57:00 -
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911 is a joke.
No, he shouldn't have expected to keep something he jettisonned. Yes, mining is boring and annoying and people will do anything to try to make it less so.
But... dinging someone's shield, losing .1 sec, and the cops annihilate you.
Pod three n00bs in medium sec space, and the cops annihilate you.
I have a long post on Ideas about improving CONCORD, but right now they're a little binary, yes? Maybe there could be other penalties for things besides autoganking? Right now the penality for everything is BOOM.
Maybe, just for laughs, they could even issue a warning to first-time offenders for a few seconds before opening up?
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ShadowStrike
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Posted - 2003.07.09 18:04:00 -
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"I am done with this game
I had spent two days getting new ship
I was minding my own business mining thief flew up to me I s-bombed to scare him he closed took damage I lost .1 of status and they cops killed my ship. This game is pro liar jerk and tie honest hardworking players who just trying to protect there stuff lose ships I am donĘt ccp clearly doesnĘt want my money and for all of you that will say I am just whining up yours I am fifth person I know to quit because of this pro thief bias and I will not be last."
Your an idiot for using an s-bomb in empire space. If you hanv't noticed Concord is insanly over reacting right now. If you don't have an indy to pick up your ore, just go back and forth between the base when you fill up. Its that simple... STOP WHINING NEWBIES!!! If you are having trouble making money, why not just hop on the bandwagon of exploiting the trade routes. Everyone else is...
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Endureth
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Posted - 2003.07.09 18:07:00 -
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Can I have your stuff?
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Colibri
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Posted - 2003.07.09 18:41:00 -
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A company mines diamonds and someone comes by and steals them out of a container the company uses to store them for transport to their factory for processing.
I'm sure most governments in the world would consider this theft and would punish or allow the company to punish the thief.
In some cultures, a thief's hand is removed for his or her first offense, the second hand for the second offense and, I believe, the head for the third offense.
The current mechanics of the game enable container theft as much as they encourage the use of containers in mining. If I use containers for mining, I expect there to be a risk involved. If someone is going to try stealing ore that I mined from a container I am using, that person should expect to encounter some risk as well.
In high security space, it should be just that. No blasting others to goo and no stealing from others. Low security should be for those that want more reward and risk.
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Arondos
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Posted - 2003.07.09 18:58:00 -
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ONE MORE TIME
CCP's policy is pretty much.
If you eject stuff into space it isn't yours.
Sort of like a container floating on the ocean. Whoever finds it can salvage it.
Proximity (being close) to it does not make it yours.
Putting things in it doesn't make it yours.
Easy solutions?
Don't mine in high security space.
Don't eject your ore.
Use a secure container.
But yeah, yeah that isn't what you want to do. SO live with the choice you made. (see signature below)
IN every analogy drawn it assumes an area with rules regarding theft. IF in eve concord chooses to see a drifting cargo container as belonging to nobody and fair game for anyone to grab then taking from the container is not theft. The closest real world case is international waters where no real rules of government(s) apply.
Edited by: Arondos on 09/07/2003 19:03:05
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Aldamar
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Posted - 2003.07.09 19:11:00 -
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"There has to be risk vs reward in any game."
Exactly Turtle, glad you brought it up. Thieves currently have zero risk for stealing peoples ore. This needs to be fixed ASAP. Most of the thieves coming out now are staying in thier newbie corp so you can't even declare war on them. They steal and the cops protect them. If they want to steal, I should be able to shoot them without the cops coming to thier aid
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Zoshia
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Posted - 2003.07.09 19:15:00 -
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"CCP's policy is pretty much.
If you eject stuff into space it isn't yours."
If that is the policy(have not seen this posted anyplace by anyone official) then it is simply a dumb policy. To make it so you HAVE to jetison ore to get it into an industrial but to then say it is not yours if you do so is NOT the right way to do business.
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Fusco T
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Posted - 2003.07.09 20:09:00 -
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While although what happened, happened and is part of the current version. It doesn't make it the correct implementation.
Twogunz has a right to be ****ed, but unfortunately has no recourse.
The solution we should be all pushing for is one to help US control our own security.
1) Jettison a can and it is flagged as yours until you either leave the immediate area or click off the flag.
2) A can flagged as yours allows free access to corp members and gang affiliates.
3) Seeking to open said can is an act of hostility if not flagged as your corp/gang. Thus allowing free firing upon by owner.
In RL people are allowed to detain criminals. It's called citizen arrest.
I'm all for having a criminal element in the game but I am also for allowing us to punish/detain criminals who steal loot.
Just as someone else mentioned risk vs reward. The person stealing should have some risk as well.
Until such time as a workable solution can be found jetting cargo is the same as abandoning it so be careful out there.
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HP Lovecraft
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Posted - 2003.07.09 20:48:00 -
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Gee is this game like real life or what.
Scenario (real life) guy trys to rob you on the street. You pull gun out and shoot him. Cops haul you of to jail for use of deadly force. The guy, now known as the "victim", sues you. In court he takes your house,your car,your gold fish and your hamster. While your in jail, he's sleeping with your wife in your bed and while all thats going on your going to be Bubba's date for the next 20 years.
Ya got to think ahead dude. The cops have been in game since day one as have been the rules of engagement.
Sure I would love to see boobie traps on the canisters that would blow a thieves lips off if they touched it. Imagine what these butt holes are like in real life. I'm mean for crying out loud they can't even play a game without screwing it up for everybody.
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Sirod
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Posted - 2003.07.10 00:18:00 -
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I don't understand why people keep complaining about this. Every other MMORPG handles things exactly the same. It isn't really that complicated of a concept. If you drop, jettison, etc.. any thing outside of your personal inventory it is not yours. In UO, EQ, AC, and AC2 if you drop something it drops as a bag (container) and anyone can pick it up. In E&B, whatever you drop is instantly destroyed. The point of the limitations of your inventory is to force you to make choices (e.g. fly back to a station, put in a secure container, put in an insecure container and hope noone takes it, transfer to a partner). If you didn't need to make a choice, everyone would be rich and bored.
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Rogue Noir
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Posted - 2003.07.10 00:36:00 -
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Really all of this is immaterial, the origional poster had a cruiser, and chose to bother getting into a fight over one container of ore, in high sec space too so it cant even have been that good. if you really care that much about so little ore then....well I just cant really comprehend why anyone would care so much.
Anywho, you chose to shoot him, anyone who bothers to read the forums(it cant be that hard, you managed to find them to leave another lameass "Im leaving" thread) knows the situation with concord, and frankly if you dont use all the resources available for a game and you die because of your own lack of knowlage, you will get no sympathy from me.
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Zoshia
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Posted - 2003.07.10 01:07:00 -
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"I don't understand why people keep complaining about this. Every other MMORPG handles things exactly the same. It isn't really that complicated of a concept. If you drop, jettison, etc.. any thing outside of your personal inventory it is not yours."
As long as jetisoning ore is the only option to get ore into an industrial for group mining there is no choice. People keep harping on the fact they think that ore jetisoned is the same thing as trash. Anyone with commone sense can look at the game mechanics and see that CCP did not intend for jetisoned ore to be considered the same as trash and that the person that jetisoned it did not want it. That is simply one of the dumbest things I keep seeing people post.
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Lola
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Posted - 2003.07.10 01:47:00 -
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Setec, you sir are a meany. You remind me of Professor Cold Heart:
Professor Cold Heart's heart is frozen. He lives in the land without feelings because he hates caring and love. He hates the Care bears because they are too nice and caring.
Don't be professor cold heart. Think of the children!
--- this is a sarcasm disclaimer. the above message may contain instances of tongue-in-cheek, verbal irony or blatant unadulterated cynisism ---
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Setec
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Posted - 2003.07.10 01:53:00 -
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Man if I knew that much about the actual Carebears show I definitely would have named my character Professor Coldheart. :-/
By the way, is that the actual text of the description? It seems like the sort of thing people dumb enough to promote THAT much caring and love would say. "He lives in a land without feelings because he hates..." Hatred is a feeling too!
Edited by: Setec on 10/07/2003 01:55:52
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Lola
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Posted - 2003.07.10 02:02:00 -
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Nah... with all the talk about carebears on here I just did a google search. I found this site that's actually really funny in a AYBABTU / bad translation / so fluffy and cute it makes you sick sort of way.
http://www.wishbear.net/index.php
Cheer Bear is seriously my favorite. She's PINK! you can't beat that.... AND she has a rainbow on her tummy. I think she would fly a Vexor.
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Setec
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Posted - 2003.07.10 02:09:00 -
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Jesus Lola that website does make me want to vomit... wow.
That site needs some naked women bad.
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Salgurdar
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Posted - 2003.07.10 02:20:00 -
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I think CCP should create a button, and when you push this button, anyone you have targetted is banned permenantly from the game. That way, when people do things that I DEEM to be, IN MY OPINION, "the wrong thing", I could just eject them from the game. Oh, and they should also only supply a secure playing environment for me, in just the way I want it, and flexible, so I can apply certain rules for certain situations.
Either that or I should just get over the lame whines I have, and just try to play the game as it stands.
Seriously people, stop whining, look at what all the cry baby carebears did to security, they sooked because they kept getting blown up by m0o, and instead of relocating, they just returned to the same old m0o hunting grounds. CCP went crazy, now if you sneeze at someone in high sec space, you are obliterated and the deathstar destroys your home planet.
Crying like babies doesn't make the game any better, you have to better your own situation.
Don't "can mine" in high sec space. CCP don't consider "can theft" a crime. They do however consider firing on someone without a valid reason a crime.
If you don't like it, leave and play kiddy console games.
Edited by: Salgurdar on 10/07/2003 02:22:13
"We all know what we are, we're just haggling about the price" - W.C. Fields
Rolschau > anyway... because some jerk today... (it is soon 5 am) will turn on the smoke alarm all over the place and then go inside our room to check.. then I will stay up and not get a shock while sleeping and die.... I will be playing eve untill the jerk shows up
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Arondos
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Posted - 2003.07.10 02:36:00 -
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"To make it so you HAVE to jetison ore to get it into an industrial but to then say it is not yours if you do so is NOT the right way to do business."
You can always
1. use a secure container
2. mine in lower security space and have a gunship fly cover
I can not believe the amount of ****ing, moaning and whining over this. It is SO SIMPLE to avoid it.
Do you leave your house unlocked when you know someone is likely to walk in and take something? NO you lock it. Use a friggin locked container.
The devs can't protect some people. It's a lack of biomass issue.
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Lola
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Posted - 2003.07.10 02:41:00 -
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ROFL... I don't know why this struck me as so funny.
"now if you sneeze at someone in high sec space, you are obliterated and the deathstar destroys your home planet."
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nails
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Posted - 2003.07.10 02:43:00 -
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I live for overkill, but Concord is just a slaugher house. They have taken out more no0bs than m0o now lol.
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Aldamar
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Posted - 2003.07.10 03:27:00 -
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"1. use a secure container"
I will do just that once they are actually in the game.
It is amusing to see all the in-game griefers here crying in every thread how they can't grief anymore.
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Twogunzz
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Posted - 2003.07.10 06:26:00 -
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Your an idiot for using an s-bomb in empire space.
Yes I was but I snapped the little jerk got on my last nerve.
If you hadnĘt noticed Concord is insanely over reacting right now. If you don't have an Indy to pick up your ore, just go back and forth between the base when you fill up. Its that simple... STOP WHINING NEWBIES!!!
I am not whining I am stating a problem that needs to be addressed you can see from post I am no alone here and its funny how all the pro sides are the thieves. Oh and I have been playing the game since day one so I am not a newbie its funny how when you bring up a legit problem the pro thieves who donĘt want it fixed always call you whining newbie hmm maybe they know they have no legit counterargument so they resort to character assassination or they are just dumb it hard to tell sometimes. Sad really that soon people like him will be all thatĘs left in Eve.
If you are having trouble making money, why not just hop on the bandwagon of exploiting the trade routes. Everyone else is...
hello thatĘs my point ccp need to eliminate exploits not kill us for defending ourselves.
I don't understand why people keep complaining about this. Every other MMORPG handles things exactly the same. It isn't really that complicated of a concept. If you drop, jettison, etc.. any thing outside of your personal inventory it is not yours. In UO, EQ, AC, and AC2 if you drop something it drops as a bag (container) and anyone can pick it up. In E&B, whatever you drop is instantly destroyed. The point of the limitations of your inventory is to force you to make choices (e.g. fly back to a station, put in a secure container, put in an insecure container and hope no one takes it, transfer to a partner). If you didn't need to make a choice, everyone would be rich and bored
this is crap I donĘt know about the rest of these game but in UO you cant steal stuff that was dropped even kills are protected now if ya leave it lying there then others can take it but this you can steal crap is BS and if you do steal in UO you are flagged and can be pked by your victim at any time. Having played most of these games I know for a fact that 90% of what is said above is crap all of these games have some sort of cost for taking stuff that doesnĘt belong to you eve is the only one where thieves are safe and non-thieves get crap beat out of them on a regular bases.
Gee is this game like real life or what.
Scenario (real life) guy trys to rob you on the street. You pull gun out and shoot him. Cops haul you of to jail for use of deadly force. The guy, now known as the "victim", sues you. In court he takes your house, your car, your gold fish and your hamster. While your in jail, he's sleeping with your wife in your bed and while all thatĘs going on your going to be Bubba's date for the next 20 years.
In real life a guy tried to rob me I broke his wrist in three places and crippled him for life (I didnĘt mean to hurt him that bad)you know what cops did they laughed and arrested his as and shock my hand se in real life trying to steal is bad.
Sure I would love to see boobie traps on the canisters that would blow a thieves lips off if they touched it. Imagine what these butt holes are like in real life. I'm mean for crying out loud they can't even play a game without screwing it up for everybody.
and here you agree with me thatĘs kind of sad you yell at me for whining then agree with my point.
and to all the rocket scientists who keep using garbage can analogy its not relevant because you donĘt want to keep garbage and by the way in the US at least it is a crime to take garbage unless you are garbage man theft is theft but its irrelevant Ore in pod is not garbage its storage so lets go with that I put some stuff in the a storage shed dose that mean people can walk up and take it no
and in real life if you shoot someone and they are in process of committing a crime its only going to get you in trouble if they are totally unarmed and then its excise use of force which will not get you jail time... I started this post to see if smart replies would outnumber the ha-ha I like to steal because I can nana sadly they don't ,so back to AO where you cant just steal and you can kill those who try.
Edited by: Twogunzz on 10/07/2003 06:52:03
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Pann
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Posted - 2003.07.10 06:50:00 -
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We've tried to leave this thread open so that people could debate the topic reasonably, but it seems to have run its course.
Bye, little thread. Rest in peace.
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