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Bryan MacGuire
Semper Fidelis Tyrannosaurus
DRACONIAN COVENANT
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Posted - 2012.12.28 17:26:00 -
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Question for the Dev team or anyone else who knows the answer. What's the reasoning behind why ore extraction values are done on the back end and then dropped into your hold at the end of the cycle versus being dropped into your cargohold as you mine it? |
Pyus
Hand Of Midas
My Other Laboratory is a Distillery
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Posted - 2012.12.28 17:53:00 -
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Not a CCP Dev, but I would hazard a guess that it is beneficial to limit the transactions. This could be for both performance as well as to keep server logs from getting too insane. Not that they couldn't aggregate this information over time, but I guess my question is what the benefit would be of tracking it every second, or some other interval other than the cycle time of the module? |
Bryan MacGuire
Semper Fidelis Tyrannosaurus
DRACONIAN COVENANT
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Posted - 2012.12.28 17:56:00 -
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Saving time between loads, having the modules self-terminate once the hold is full. Time and load efficiency and all that jazz. |
Bridgette d'Iberville
Better Killing Through Chemistry
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Posted - 2012.12.28 18:00:00 -
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Considering this game is a cleverly disguised Icelandic math tutoring program, I doubt they're going to do that.
For real though, I think Pyus is on the mark. It probably has something to do with the cost (possible performance issues) vs. benefit (player efficiency) and the costs are winning out.
Lighting a cyno to your heart... |
Pyus
Hand Of Midas
My Other Laboratory is a Distillery
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Posted - 2012.12.28 18:14:00 -
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Bryan MacGuire wrote:Saving time between loads, having the modules self-terminate once the hold is full. Time and load efficiency and all that jazz.
Yeah there's a careful balance that I think the devs try to straddle between making things too efficient/easy for the player, and making them impossibly tedious and monotonous. Like Bridgette said, they like to provide opportunity for us to do maths (and click a lot) 
They also have a secret dev deals with Microsoft and Google docs for sending so much spreadsheet business their way.  |
Bryan MacGuire
Semper Fidelis Tyrannosaurus
DRACONIAN COVENANT
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Posted - 2012.12.28 18:34:00 -
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Pyus wrote:They also have a secret dev deals with Microsoft and Google docs for sending so much spreadsheet business their way.
I wouldn't doubt it one bit.
Thanks for all the input. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2012.12.28 18:50:00 -
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Bryan MacGuire wrote:Question for the Dev team
I don't think I've seen a dev in S&I during the past 4 years.  |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
1073
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Posted - 2012.12.29 09:05:00 -
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Server load.
What's easier for server to tell the client?
12:21:41 "Mining Laser I activated."
12:21:42 "You mined 1 Veldspar."
12:21:43 "You mined 1 Veldspar."
12:21:44 "You mined 1 Veldspar."
12:21:45 "You mined 1 Veldspar."
12:21:46 "You mined 1 Veldspar."
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or
12:21:41 "Mining Laser I Activated."
12:24:41 "You mined 180 Veldspar."
12:24:41 "Mining Laser I Deactivated."
Multiply that by the number of people mining at any time in all of EVE, and you get a pretty big saving.
Also thinking about it further, the engine might not be prepared for this at all. I can't think of any module that consumes or adds items to your inventory during its operation, except for at the start or end of a cycle. |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate
Sailors of the Sacred Spice
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Posted - 2012.12.29 17:56:00 -
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They ought to make cycles shorter. The hamsters aren't going to die from a few smaller more frequent calculations.
Standings Improvement Service
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Leopold Jakuard
State Of Unrest
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Posted - 2013.01.02 06:04:00 -
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It would create server lag, especially with all those mining botters online 24/7  . Seriously, there is little to no advantage receiving the ore every second or so compared to one load every cycle. On the other end, it makes life easier for the server, the clients and the network in general. |
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Halin Damal
Divided Unity
The Night Crew Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.03 19:06:00 -
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I think it is also a legacy matter dating 10 years back. The rest is probably also true, back then the servers weren't as powerful as they are now.
Since this part of the code is likely 10 years old, none of the developers actually know what is going there and don't even dare to refacture it, typical 'don't fix what isn't broken'-mentality.
I have some understanding for this phenomenon, all of my clients have some legacy-codebases that noone even dares to sneeze at, because you might actually break it.
I wouldn't expect any changes here though, until CCP decides to completely redesign the entire Science & Industry part of this wonderful game. |
Batelle
Aliastra
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Posted - 2013.01.03 19:36:00 -
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so that people with strip miners can calculate how many cycles they can get before needing to switch rocks. If you always wait for the roid to die at the end of a cycle, then you might be getting worse yields than a mining frigate.
Its rewarding gameplay!
Math!
The Golem - The "Meh" of Marauders |
Doctor Grugon
GRUMPS RESEARCH TEAM
Army of Dark Shadows
3
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Posted - 2013.01.04 18:58:00 -
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One thing that would be helpful would be to put a value indicator showing how much time is left or elapsed in the cycle or the percent of the cycle thats better than just guessing based on where the cycle indicator on the module is. or even have tick marks on the module. Say ten tick marks indicating 10%. its passive adn would aid in knowing where in the cycle we are a little better.
my .02 ISK
Are you standing where you should be? |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1038
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Posted - 2013.01.04 19:15:00 -
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People paying attention will always do better than people who just hit F1 and wait.
That's why I prefer it this way.
(though I'd agree with putting tick marks for percentages on cycle timers)
FuzzWork Enterprises
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/
Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
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