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THE LAUGHlNGMAN
Obstergo
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Posted - 2011.10.08 00:19:00 -
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I'm looking for someone to teach me the ways of PVP, Caldari style. I can fly Gallente and Minmatar frigates but my skills are sucky in those racial ships and I main Caldari. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1077
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Posted - 2011.10.08 02:52:00 -
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Learn to love ECM. |
Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.10.08 04:29:00 -
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Learn to love Drake more like it. |
Super Chair
Hell's Revenge
15
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Posted - 2011.10.08 04:30:00 -
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Experience is the best teacher
oh and keeping range like a little ***** |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1077
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Posted - 2011.10.08 05:11:00 -
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Elise Randolph wrote:Learn to love Drake more like it.
This is also true. |
KhaelaMensha Khaine
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.10.08 05:22:00 -
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SKILLS
A Gal/MIn background is a perfect starting point - since you should already have decent shield and hybrid skills, so the first first thing you need to check is that your missile skills are good enough. While they do have a few good (underestimated) blaster boats generally speaking the missile boats are the better Caldari ships.
T2 Heavies & HAMS will make a BIG difference to you DPS in Caldari ships. You will also want the support skills at 4 (ideally 5 ofc) to maximise damage.
You will need excellent shield tanking skills - generally passive/buffer are more more useful than active on Caldari ships
ECM is so powerful and unique to the Caldari that if you want to be able to use ALL their best ships you will need to train for their Recons too.
FITTING
Damage Controls are less important (compared with the other races) than a decent shield tank & other lowslot mods (such a damage mods) .
This is because Caldari ships tend to have low armor and few lowslots so once your shields are gone you are pretty much dead. This takes some getting used to if you mostly armor tanked until now but if you flew Minmatar then you already have an idea of what to expect - although Caldari will be much more fragile with their shields down.
The other thing to note is the HUGE EM resist hole in their shields which always needs plugging. There is no other race that has ZERO base resists to their main defensive HPs.
They are probably most similar to Minmatar - their weapons (missiles) are capless, their buffer shield tanks regenerate quickly and provide good EHP however they can't armor tank well (unlike Minmatar) so they have to use their midslots to both tackle/jam and tank which means there are aren't so great at solo pvp compared to the other races.
They generally have small drone bays so tend to use drones defensively rather than offensively and consequently they favour ECM drones more than other races as this also suits their fighting style of avoiding (rather than taking) damage.
FLYING
Caldari ships generally aren't very fast/manouverable but they also aren't great at taking damage at close range - this creates a bit of a contradiction since they need to maintain range to stay alive but often aren't fast enough to do so. It's therefore important to start fights at your optimal range and then maintain that range. If you get too close you will die faster than any other race.
They're not like Minmatar who can dance in and out of a fight like Bruce Lee or Gallente who just want to get on top of you and pound you into the ground like the Hulk. This makes them hard to fly and it takes a skilled pilot to stay alive so they are a great choice if you like a challenge!
The ship I'd recommend you to start with is the Drake because it comes closest to being able to fly like a Minmatar ship (with nano + heavies) or a Gallente ship (with tank+ HAMs). It does decent damage while tanking well and it's also cheap and easy to train for. All these factors make it their most popular ship overall.
Also in the Tengu, they also have the best T3 in the game by far although you won't want to fly it until you're comfortable in a Drake.
In summary - Caldari are a difficult race to PvP in if you want to utilise the full range of their ships as they're fragile so need to stay at range. Their best ships can use either guns or missiles (see list below) so you need to train for and understand the game mechanics of both. However, because of their reputation as a PvE race they're constantly underestimated so in the hands of a good pilot they can offer some nice surprise pvp.
Best pvp ships to train for: Tengu, Drake, Rook/Falcon, Hookbill, Cerberus, Harpy, Flycatcher, Onyx, Basilisk, Raptor |
Zoe Alarhun
Drunken Space Irish
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Posted - 2011.10.08 06:55:00 -
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Progression:
Kestrel fitted with rockets + medium shield extender is good.
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Merlin with full tackle + medium shield extender + rockets + blasters is good.
Caracal with assault missiles + precisions missiles + 2 drones is good at eating frigs
Drake with hams and a MWD + fat buffer is decent
Raven - don't really see this often so I have no idea.
Tengu when You flush with cash and training is awesome. |
Darwpromtheus
Fu-swat
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Posted - 2011.10.08 16:32:00 -
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Max out missile and Navigation skills. Always fly with at least Zor "set"
Train shields. |
Dradius Calvantia
Creative Cookie Procuring
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.10.09 01:35:00 -
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Meh.. honestly for PVP.. I think the Tengu is one of the weakest T3s.
It is certainly the easiest, and least likely to die when you do not want it to, but when it comes to actually fighting with it.. it is less than stellar against anyone with even the slightest Idea what they are doing. |
Brother ThantosXI
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.09 03:49:00 -
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Max Drake, Max Falcon/Rook, Max Tengu.....and thats it! Oh and the Onyx ain't that bad either. |
Bad Messenger
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.10.09 03:56:00 -
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Zoe Alarhun wrote:Progression:
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Caracal with assault missiles + precisions missiles + 2 drones is good at eating frigs
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You need precicion light missiles only on some special cases, best is to use Caldari Navy Bloodclaws as primary ammo (if kinetic is good against enemy ship).
Precision missiles slow down your ship so best to avoid those if you can. |
Brother ThantosXI
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.09 04:24:00 -
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"Precision missiles slow down your ship so best to avoid those if you can."
It took me so long to realize this, Its a drawback in the ammo specs, it actually slows you down. |
Tamiya Sarossa
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.09 18:07:00 -
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I'm honestly not sure there's ever a situation where using precisions is justifiable, especially given that you should have CN loaded by default and would thus lose DPS while reloading.
But really, learn to love the Drake. It will be your bread and butter and is very versatile in terms of possible fits. |
Zoe Alarhun
Drunken Space Irish
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Posted - 2011.10.10 07:43:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Zoe Alarhun wrote:Progression:
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Caracal with assault missiles + precisions missiles + 2 drones is good at eating frigs
.... You need precicion light missiles only on some special cases, best is to use Caldari Navy Bloodclaws as primary ammo (if kinetic is good against enemy ship). Precision missiles slow down your ship so best to avoid those if you can.
I normally only recommed presions for eating fast frigs, but yeah Caldari navy as default when fighting anything else. |
JongBlood
15 Minute Outliers
Chained Reactions
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Posted - 2011.10.11 04:56:00 -
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Dradius Calvantia wrote:Meh.. honestly for PVP.. I think the Tengu is one of the weakest T3s.
It is certainly the easiest, and least likely to die when you do not want it to, but when it comes to actually fighting with it.. it is less than stellar against anyone with even the slightest Idea what they are doing.
100mn ab tengu ftw |
JongBlood
15 Minute Outliers
Chained Reactions
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Posted - 2011.10.11 04:58:00 -
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Drake is best bet all around for caldari pvp. Get BC to five for sure |
Tyme Xandr
State Protectorate
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2011.10.18 00:11:00 -
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Once u get bored of HL and HAM Drakes, and dont want to isk loss of a Tengu the Harpy and Moa can be great ships to fly in a fleet. Ofc theres better ships to choose in either of these two classes amongst the other races ... but with 'hybrid fixes' coming soon who knows? Either way as said previously you should either crosstrain into Gallente (hybrid) or the more fun and dependable Minmatar (since you have shield skills) eventually. |
Diesel47
Black-Robed Men
Malice Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:34:00 -
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Tyme Xandr wrote:Once u get bored of HL and HAM Drakes, and dont want to isk loss of a Tengu the Harpy and Moa can be great ships to fly in a fleet. Ofc theres better ships to choose in either of these two classes amongst the other races ... but with 'hybrid fixes' coming soon who knows? Either way as said previously you should either crosstrain into Gallente (hybrid) or the more fun and dependable Minmatar (since you have shield skills) eventually.
Hybrid fixes? |
Pulgy
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:54:00 -
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1. Buy Drake
2.???
3. Profit!
-+Que?
-íNo hablo ingles! |
McMorrow
Vice And Valour
Blue Moon Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.21 15:09:00 -
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Brother ThantosXI wrote:"Precision missiles slow down your ship so best to avoid those if you can."
It took me so long to realize this, Its a drawback in the ammo specs, it actually slows you down.
and the bad part is it stacks for each launcher loaded with them!
Two tears in a bucket... |
xenodia
DYNAMIC INTERVENTION
ORPHANS OF EVE
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:20:00 -
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THE LAUGHlNGMAN wrote:I'm looking for someone to teach me the ways of PVP, Caldari style. I can fly Gallente and Minmatar frigates but my skills are sucky in those racial ships and I main Caldari.
Lock primary.... activate ECM
Lock secondary.... activate ECM
Rinse and repeat until out of mid slot mods.
Launch token missiles for small chance of stealing killmail.
if 'distance to nearest target' <= 50km, then warp out and back at different spot.
Rinse and repeat. |
Castricide
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:44:00 -
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I can teach you if you want to move to Arnon for a while. Message me in game. |
shal ri
Zanzibar Land
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Posted - 2011.10.26 19:22:00 -
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drakes are trash if u cant kill a drake then ur skills suck or he ran like a *****. a real pvp ship (caldri wise) is the onyx. rapes the drake tank hands down its sig is smaller and the point doesnt use a mid slot a big plus when **** has a warp stab. u can use distance to ur advantage with both hams and heavies ( about 30km with hams 100km or so with heavies)
cap life can be an issue with the onyx so its best to watch it will u micro. but for the most part u can kill a bs with the onyx solo if u fly it right.
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Korg Leaf
Shockwave Innovations
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Posted - 2011.10.27 22:43:00 -
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shal ri wrote:drakes are trash if u cant kill a drake then ur skills suck or he ran like a *****. a real pvp ship (caldri wise) is the onyx. rapes the drake tank hands down its sig is smaller and the point doesnt use a mid slot a big plus when **** has a warp stab. u can use distance to ur advantage with both hams and heavies ( about 30km with hams 100km or so with heavies)
cap life can be an issue with the onyx so its best to watch it will u micro. but for the most part u can kill a bs with the onyx solo if u fly it right.
Onyx also has crap dps in comparison to the drake, and you can kill a bs in a drake,
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Sylar McIntyr
Konstrukteure der Zukunft
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.10.30 03:57:00 -
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THE LAUGHlNGMAN wrote:I'm looking for someone to teach me the ways of PVP, Caldari style. I can fly Gallente and Minmatar frigates but my skills are sucky in those racial ships and I main Caldari.
Log in, see that Caldari suck  -> train for Amarr/Slaves ~win win win~ -> never think about your heritage again 
You could go the long rout of Caldari -> Gaylente -> Minmatar -> amarr but the first one spares you horrible penii  |
Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
60
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Posted - 2011.10.30 07:20:00 -
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shal ri wrote:drakes are trash if u cant kill a drake then ur skills suck or he ran like a *****. a real pvp ship (caldri wise) is the onyx. rapes the drake tank hands down its sig is smaller and the point doesnt use a mid slot a big plus when **** has a warp stab. u can use distance to ur advantage with both hams and heavies ( about 30km with hams 100km or so with heavies)
cap life can be an issue with the onyx so its best to watch it will u micro. but for the most part u can kill a bs with the onyx solo if u fly it right.
Guys, check it, he is RAPING the Drake's TANK with the BLISTERING 395 DPS from his HAM ONYX. Get on his level.
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A'Brantox Foson
SKEET ELITE
3
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Posted - 2011.10.30 17:09:00 -
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Keep tranversal up. Instead of trying to lose it at optimal ranges. |
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