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Deepeh
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Posted - 2005.06.07 21:03:00 -
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Hi,
Just out of curiosity really, I have no desire to be recruited but I'm interested in what you guys think about recruiting PvP'ers that (*drumroll*) have been in a pirate corporation.
I personally don't see any problem with it, for the plain and simple fact that as long as they abide to the corp's rules and policies they get the job done as well as everyone with a "clean record". However, there seem to be corporations that are very hesitant when it comes to recruiting ex-pirates - I would like to hear some reasons from them in particular. :)
Being a former pirate doesn't automatically mean I'll take off with the contents of your hangar, nor will it mean that I will podkill you whenever I get the chance, it's just another form of PvP, albeit more free and less bound to rules. :)
Your thoughts?
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Petite Pierre
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Posted - 2005.06.07 21:34:00 -
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Fully agree, ex-pirate here, bane of Aunenen and stuff ;)
Not much to add, you summed it up nicely.
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Hast
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Posted - 2005.06.07 22:27:00 -
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Ex pirates are people too!
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Dyvim Slorm
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Posted - 2005.06.07 22:33:00 -
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Can't see a problem myself if you abide by the corp rules, it's just a change in ethics/playstyle - call it what you will.
It'd be different for an ex-corp thief obviously, but ex-pirates whats the problem.
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fugazii
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Posted - 2005.06.07 22:43:00 -
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i think it stems from stereotyping. 1 pirate does a bad thing (smack, dishonours rnasoms/fair fights ect) and the whole group gets percieved as dishonourable ppl. or how 1 miner/producer gets killed by a pvp'r and pvp'rs then call all miners/prod's carebears because theyre bein stereotyped as not bein able to fight.
its a trait that has always plagued humanity, evident in all walks of life and all things things around us, sometimes good, sometimes bad.
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Deepeh
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Posted - 2005.06.07 23:47:00 -
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I'm glad that most of you seem to have no problem with it, I thought the nay-crowd would be much bigger. :)
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.06.08 00:14:00 -
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" Just out of curiosity really, I have no desire to be recruited but I'm interested in what you guys think about recruiting PvP'ers that (*drumroll*) have been in a pirate corporation "
I dont like it at all, since i was a noob i felt 1s someone had gone to pirate noone should let um back the good side but after allainces type stuff ya end up flying with them people you allways wannted to take revenge on & after a short time more its all about color, witch is a shame i think but thats how it is.
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Krapz
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Posted - 2005.06.08 00:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Deepeh
Hi,
Just out of curiosity really, I have no desire to be recruited but I'm interested in what you guys think about recruiting PvP'ers that (*drumroll*) have been in a pirate corporation.
I personally don't see any problem with it, for the plain and simple fact that as long as they abide to the corp's rules and policies they get the job done as well as everyone with a "clean record". However, there seem to be corporations that are very hesitant when it comes to recruiting ex-pirates - I would like to hear some reasons from them in particular. :)
Being a former pirate doesn't automatically mean I'll take off with the contents of your hangar, nor will it mean that I will podkill you whenever I get the chance, it's just another form of PvP, albeit more free and less bound to rules. :)
Your thoughts?
I know CLS doesn't discriminate too much. We have many ex-pirates in our corp, but we don't allow piracy if you are wearing a CLS tag. We always want to give a player another chance, but usually not 2 or 3.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.06.08 11:42:00 -
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piracy is about to die... all you see is, and in this particular order:
1. empty space
2. blob
3. ship so full of stabs that 4 intys cannot hold it there.
Reasons: only pvpers are left in 0.0. Carebears have left for empire as soon as lvl4 agents were introduced. I wonder why i have seen dread 4.5 mil rat in niya FEW times, but never in branch?
Consequences of 1:
game is boring, chokepoints are full of 'pvp'ers, and 2 follows.
of 2: ganksetups, gankships, ... only measure of char is how many sp in gunnery
3. spoils fun, also results in blobing as you cannot kill anything in small groups. (me thinks of 5wcs raven loaded with FOF cruises, sensor booster & cap neutralizer)
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Dragothmar
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Posted - 2005.06.08 12:49:00 -
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Edited by: Dragothmar on 08/06/2005 12:50:04
Edited by: Dragothmar on 08/06/2005 12:49:05
I dunno, what do you reckon?:
Definition of a pirate is someone who roams into space which they don't normally inhabit and gank all and sundry with no motive other than to destroy as much as possible and loot (as distinct from wanting to move their inhabitance to the area and destroying the people who do actually inhabit it: that's war). Maybe call them 'Offensive PvPers'
Definition of anti-pirates are people who gank these people. Maybe call them 'Reactionary PvPers'
A third category has to be made for people who shoot all non-affiliated people entering their space... Maybe they should be called 'Defensive PvPers'
How do you define 'inhabiting' though, and what constitutes a war then?
I dunno - seems kind of incomplete
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hired goon
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Posted - 2005.06.08 13:32:00 -
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There is a clear definition between pirates and PvPers. They do NOT all fit in one category.
If I was head of a large corp, I would not recruit former pirates, because I can imagine being robbed / betrayed / spied on by them and the mocking that would follow. "He was in ASS for a year, and you trusted him!? You diserve it!"
Plus I believe the current consequence system is borked. Bounties that the pirate himself can claim? Security status that can be raised in a week? Hah! Refusing former pirates on principle will perhaps help.
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Zaintiraris
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Posted - 2005.06.08 14:04:00 -
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Its my opinion that a person should always be recruited based on their personality. My corp for instance once recruited a guy that we opposed only a handful of months before as a hauler killer. He's a nice guy, and when he left to help some friends with one of their wars, we cheered him on and were sorry to see him go. We've had Ex-CA join. They were not especially excited all day long, but we enjoyed having them in corp chat because they were personable, good people.
We've also recruited straight noobs that were telling us how they would mine and work hard, help recruit and do whatever we wanted.... and then a few weeks later told us we were (some naughty words here) and cowards because we didn't pirate. That guy left before we could kick him.
The only people to really avoid are jerks. Even drunks have their purposes, as we had a person get drunk and sell 2 of their battleships in a night (that was funny) and another try to go through a chokepoint to 0.0 and get pwned, and then start telling us we should make our own fleet and go pwn the gankers (that also was funny).
So I guess I definately think you've got to look at each person separately, and not make generalizations about someone because they used to be a pirate. As long as they have a reasonable sec status anyways.
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Stormfront
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Posted - 2005.06.08 14:19:00 -
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Shoot neutrals everywhere and there wont be any issues about piracy. Atleast not from your own end :)
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John Blackthorn
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Posted - 2005.06.08 14:44:00 -
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A pirate is someone that will use a heavy assult ship to kill an Industrial ship. Unbalanced fight.
A pirate hunter is somone that hunts a pirate with a equally capible ship. Normaly an even fight.
A true pirate would stand his ground and engage a pirate hunter as easly as someone in an industrial ship.
A pirate wana-be runs at the first sign of someone coming after them :P
-BT
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