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Petra Hakaari
Stalking Wolfpack Freek Alliance
24
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Posted - 2012.12.31 23:43:00 -
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I think i've already made my point clear enough, i dont need to keep arguing. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3099
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Posted - 2012.12.31 23:45:00 -
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Petra Hakaari wrote:I think i've already made my point clear enough, i dont need to keep arguing. Not on GD, you're never done... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2002
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Posted - 2012.12.31 23:55:00 -
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OP's face needs an overhaul, as does this thread. The Adventures of a Belligerent Undesirable |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1301
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Posted - 2013.01.01 00:11:00 -
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Toss me on the "PVE in eve is garbage" bandwagon. There is no reason it has to be so. Why mining isn't a minigame that increases yield depending on the players ability to play it is beyond me. |

Theron Urian
The Moirae Syndicate
20
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Posted - 2013.01.01 00:21:00 -
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Why is it any time some one makes a post asking for more fun and in depth pve , a whole bunch of idiots from null just see it as wanting more isk.
News flash you can make missions and pve in general more entertaining with out making it more profitable.
And as for the people that just say go do pvp, maybe some players don't want to pvp 24/7, and they would like to enjoy some pve from time to time instead of mindless shooting of red plus signs.
Why would CCP want to make a game where some elements shine bright and other are a laughing stock. If you like and care about this game you would want evrey element to be great to bring in more players.
This game is full of elitist idiots and cry baby's that are so stuck in the stone age that they put a negative spin on any improvement that does not directly apply to them.
Rant over.
TL:DR Yes overhauling pve would be great, because as much as some people rag on it its where a lot of people spend a good amount of time and where most new players are going to get there first impression of the game. |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
89
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Posted - 2013.01.01 00:58:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Toss me on the "PVE in eve is garbage" bandwagon. There is no reason it has to be so. Why mining isn't a minigame that increases yield depending on the players ability to play it is beyond me.
Because they didn't want a pointless silly minigame, and couldn't work out a non corny 'minigame' that wouldn't get equally tedious over time as just hitting F1. I certainly can't work out a base structure for a 'minigame' or mechanism for mining other than what we have that doesn't come with equally large or even larger flaws than we already have. The best solution I can see is the 'dropped mining drones and mini storage' like a baby PoS, that needs tending every few hours ideally, but you can do some other stuff in the mean time.
As for the missions, LoL @ Marlona, sorry but your first sentance in your linked article just sets the tone as self important. Even if you do make a lot of good points about making missions less predictable. Simply needing an Omni tank because you don't know the enemies damage types as a given would be a huge change. Let alone trigger spawns vanishing so you can't blitz certain missions etc. But along side that, needs to be care taken to not Nerf mission income. Lvl 1 & 2 Missions need a substantial buff in income already. A newbie shouldn't have to grind 50 missions to afford a battle cruiser (& thats optimistic on how much they make). They should be able to do a few and have cash. And requiring Omni tanking will cut lvl 4 Income, people complete them so fast currently by tanking for a specific faction, and knowing exactly the tank required so they can maximise DPS. Any change to that will cut income, and High already has the lowest income potential. Sure it has the lowest risk also so I'm not saying it needs 'more' income, but one does have to be aware that changes to make missions less predictable will both drop income and increase risk (assuming pay outs stay constant) |

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1299
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Posted - 2013.01.01 00:58:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Toss me on the "PVE in eve is garbage" bandwagon. There is no reason it has to be so. Why mining isn't a minigame that increases yield depending on the players ability to play it is beyond me. I'm amazed that CCP haven't done anything about the PvE if only from sheer embarrassment. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |

Baroness Vulna
Armada vi Vulnezia
35
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Posted - 2013.01.01 01:01:00 -
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7 year veteran here who is having trouble with a level 2 mission using a destroyer. I think pve needs fixing too.  |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1075
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Posted - 2013.01.01 01:02:00 -
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Petra Hakaari wrote:I think i've already made my point clear enough, i dont need to keep arguing.
Yes, you request for a buff to high sec has been completely destroyed, there is indeed no reason to keep arguing.
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Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
582
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Posted - 2013.01.01 01:04:00 -
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Drop some probes, they have done some of the things you suggested. The number of unknown combat plexes like desolate sites as gone up 5X |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1075
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Posted - 2013.01.01 01:05:00 -
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Theron Urian wrote:Why is it any time some one makes a post asking for more fun and in depth pve , a whole bunch of idiots from null just see it as wanting more isk.
News flash you can make missions and pve in general more entertaining with out making it more profitable.
That's great to hear. That's also NOT what the OP asked for.
He asked for a buff to high sec anomalies (rather than him getting off his well protectected in high sec duff and going to find better anoms). We are replying to that.
As a mostly pve player, if anyone has any GOOD ideas about how to make pve more fun,I'm all for it, even though I think the pve activities I enjoy (null exploration, lvl 5s and incursions) are fun enough as is. The op has no good ideas, just more lazy "bring the mountain to me in high sec" crap.
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Theron Urian
The Moirae Syndicate
20
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Posted - 2013.01.01 01:10:00 -
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Bah you got me I skipped over the anom part and only read the section about L4s.
My bad I herp derped reading the full post. |

Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
491
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Posted - 2013.01.01 01:19:00 -
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Theron Urian wrote:Bah you got me I skipped over the anom part and only read the section about L4s.
My bad I herp derped reading the full post.
i thought ccp just made pve more 'entertaining' in the last patch |

Theron Urian
The Moirae Syndicate
20
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Posted - 2013.01.01 01:21:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:Theron Urian wrote:Bah you got me I skipped over the anom part and only read the section about L4s.
My bad I herp derped reading the full post. i thought ccp just made pve more 'entertaining' in the last patch
Nope sorry its still mindless red plus alph dps popping. |

Hannah Flex
Elite Market PvP Consortium
41
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Posted - 2013.01.01 01:24:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Toss me on the "PVE in eve is garbage" bandwagon. There is no reason it has to be so. Why mining isn't a minigame that increases yield depending on the players ability to play it is beyond me.
I think they ought to add some 'power' bars that wax and wane and you have to click it on its highpoint to maximize yield. That would keep all the miners at their computers. Ignore the bar and have a poor yield, can you imagine the self-entitled rageposts on EVE-O?  |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1075
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Posted - 2013.01.01 01:25:00 -
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Theron Urian wrote:Post removed because I actually failed to read the part of OP about anoms.
Yea, and that's what I was replying to.
Like I said, i'm all for pve improvements, the OP wasn't asking for that. The OP essentially wants low/null style anoms in high sec, rather than just "balling up" and leaving high sec protection to get to content that already exists in game. |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
998
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Posted - 2013.01.01 01:30:00 -
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Petra Hakaari wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:Posting in a stealth buff HS thread. Another one with a need to train reading skills.
Not really. You talk of an overhaul, but many of your arguments lean towards higher level anoms in high sec. Escalations that stay in high sec, etc. Hence, stealth HS buff. You can try and spin it however you want, but that's where your argument leads.
There are plenty of areas with compelling PVE. WH's for example. They are a complete thrill in comparison to LVL 4 missions.
Take a look at this KB
http://whkills.info/?a=home&y=2012&m=12
It is a collection of all WH based kills. For the month of december, NPC's comprise 3 of the top 10 spots for top killers (Sleepers taking the top spot). I can tell you from experience that makes for good PVE. |

Petra Hakaari
Stalking Wolfpack Freek Alliance
24
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Posted - 2013.01.01 01:46:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:That's great to hear. That's also NOT what the OP asked for.
He asked for a buff to high sec anomalies (rather than him getting off his well protectected in high sec duff and going to find better anoms). We are replying to that.
As a mostly pve player, if anyone has any GOOD ideas about how to make pve more fun,I'm all for it, even though I think the pve activities I enjoy (null exploration, lvl 5s and incursions) are fun enough as is. The op has no good ideas, just more lazy "bring the mountain to me in high sec" crap.
Dude, seriously, shut up, youve only glanced some concepts here, you dont understand half of what has been said here. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1075
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Posted - 2013.01.01 01:52:00 -
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Petra Hakaari wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:That's great to hear. That's also NOT what the OP asked for.
He asked for a buff to high sec anomalies (rather than him getting off his well protectected in high sec duff and going to find better anoms). We are replying to that.
As a mostly pve player, if anyone has any GOOD ideas about how to make pve more fun,I'm all for it, even though I think the pve activities I enjoy (null exploration, lvl 5s and incursions) are fun enough as is. The op has no good ideas, just more lazy "bring the mountain to me in high sec" crap.
Dude, seriously, shut up, youve only glanced some concepts here, you dont understand half of what has been said here.
(Crocodile Hunter voice)
See here mates, it's a beauty. It's a juvenile HighSecus Buffus of the Welfarious Family. You can see the overly sharp teeth honed by centuries of isk chomping, as well as it's need to post dumb ideas on internet forums then get mad when people tell them why it's a dumb idea.
(/Crocodile Hunter Vocie)
you ideas are dumb and are typical of high sec people. If you want to do better anoms and missions than what's got you so bored in high sec, leave high sec, otherwised shut up. |

Petra Hakaari
Stalking Wolfpack Freek Alliance
24
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Posted - 2013.01.01 01:58:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:(Crocodile Hunter voice)
(/Crocodile Hunter Vocie)
And here is the example of that behavior i mean xDDDDD
You dont need to try to be a clown to get attention, you could just try to use reason and word, not just over and over and over the same dog-eared argument.
Good night, boy. |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
90
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Posted - 2013.01.01 02:00:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Petra Hakaari wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:That's great to hear. That's also NOT what the OP asked for.
He asked for a buff to high sec anomalies (rather than him getting off his well protectected in high sec duff and going to find better anoms). We are replying to that.
As a mostly pve player, if anyone has any GOOD ideas about how to make pve more fun,I'm all for it, even though I think the pve activities I enjoy (null exploration, lvl 5s and incursions) are fun enough as is. The op has no good ideas, just more lazy "bring the mountain to me in high sec" crap.
Dude, seriously, shut up, youve only glanced some concepts here, you dont understand half of what has been said here. (Crocodile Hunter voice) See here mates, it's a beauty. It's a juvenile HighSecus Buffus of the Welfarious Family. You can see the overly sharp teeth honed by centuries of isk chomping, as well as it's need to post dumb ideas on internet forums then get mad when people tell them why it's a dumb idea. (/Crocodile Hunter Vocie) you ideas are dumb and are typical of high sec people. If you want to do better anoms and missions than what's got you so bored in high sec, leave high sec, otherwised shut up.
(Crocodile Hunter voice)
See here mates, it's a beauty. It's a typical nullasaurous, in it's hunting habitat, trying to prey on the HighSecus Buffus, observe the sharp pointed ears, ready to catch the slightest whisper of any change to high sec, and the elongaged snout, ready for sticking their nose in to ridicule and shout.
(/Crocodile Hunter Voice)
Hey look, I can do it too..... and it works just as well.
If you bothered reading a lot of the posts, most of the changes people are wanting to missions will actually LOWER income, since you won't have as optimal a DPS fit anymore, so missions will take longer to complete, as well as people loosing more ships to missions. However feel free to troll away without reading if you so desire on the poster who actually read the thread and was trying to correct another person doing exactly what you did. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3100
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Posted - 2013.01.01 02:06:00 -
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Hannah Flex wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Toss me on the "PVE in eve is garbage" bandwagon. There is no reason it has to be so. Why mining isn't a minigame that increases yield depending on the players ability to play it is beyond me. I think they ought to add some 'power' bars that wax and wane and you have to click it on its highpoint to maximize yield. That would keep all the miners at their computers. Ignore the bar and have a poor yield, can you imagine the self-entitled rageposts on EVE-O?  The multiboxers might unsub though :ohdear: Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1075
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Posted - 2013.01.01 02:07:00 -
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Petra Hakaari wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:(Crocodile Hunter voice)
(/Crocodile Hunter Vocie) And here is the example of that behavior i mean xDDDDD You dont need to try to be a clown to get attention, you could just try to use reason and word, not just over and over and over the same dog-eared argument. Good night, boy.
Boy? That;s racist.
But seriously , you are typical of high sec people. you present some dumb idea as if it's the holy truth, but can't udnerstand why it's not.
The REASON your idea is dumb is because Null/Low type anoms (a Sanctum is the equivilant to a lvl 4 mission) don't belong in high sec. If yo want better anom,s leave high sec.
You told us everything we need to know about you when you said: Petra Hakaari wrote:
Then about escalations, if ppl are doing Anomalies in high is because they want to feel safe, you all know this and many of you might agree, there is no need for any mechanic to pull them down to low or null or make them do a peregrination from one system to many others and lose an entire afternoon waiting to get a cool faction mod for just a 7th crate or whatever.
You simply want your cake and to eat it too.
Sorry, no, EVE is not about feeling safe, it's about conflcit and challenge. Don't like conflict and challenge, EVE is the wrong game for you. |

Sannye
The Knights Templar
2
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Posted - 2013.01.01 02:09:00 -
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I read the whole thread, and I ended up very confused?
What does the OP even want?
A revamp of the level 4's? New anom's? Other type's of AI's controlling the NPC's?
I dont want any of that - I LIKE to know what missions i venture out in. I use PvE as an isk fountain, to found my pvp ship's. Sometimes it takes longer than expected, to get in the epic fleetfights - but it will happen, from time to time. Then you just have to have enough ships - be it dictors, hic's, carriers, dreads... anything. So, while it's all cool and dandy, that you want pve to be a themepark or whatever, i like it to be predictable. I would like to know what ressist's to equip, and what weapons to bring. I dont like random - in PvE.
PvP.. now, that's a different side of EVE - and in that part, i like the compleate randomness, that you find fighting other people.
I suggest you go take part of that some more... |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1075
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Posted - 2013.01.01 02:10:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:
(Crocodile Hunter voice)
See here mates, it's a beauty. It's a typical nullasaurous, in it's hunting habitat, trying to prey on the HighSecus Buffus, observe the sharp pointed ears, ready to catch the slightest whisper of any change to high sec, and the elongaged snout, ready for sticking their nose in to ridicule and shout.
(/Crocodile Hunter Voice)
Hey look, I can do it too..... and it works just as well.
Thats actually pretty good, I luled.
Quote: If you bothered reading a lot of the posts, most of the changes people are wanting to missions will actually LOWER income, since you won't have as optimal a DPS fit anymore, so missions will take longer to complete, as well as people loosing more ships to missions. However feel free to troll away without reading if you so desire on the poster who actually read the thread and was trying to correct another person doing exactly what you did.
But then you go from good to fail in 3 seconds. I'm responding to the ridiculas OP, specifically his call for null anoms in high sec and limiting escalations from high sec plexes/anoms to only high sec.
I am not commenting at all on other ideas about PVE. I am a mostly PVE player.
Lol, you tell me to feel free to troll without reading, then you misunderstand what's being said. |

Petra Hakaari
Stalking Wolfpack Freek Alliance
24
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Posted - 2013.01.01 02:10:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:yada yada yada
http://youtu.be/XVCtkzIXYzQ |

Fallacies
Hedion University Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.01.01 02:13:00 -
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Far too much ad hominem in this thread.
ad hominem You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument. Ad hominem attacks can take the form of overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to discredit their argument. The result of an ad hom attack can be to undermine someone's case without actually having to engage with it.
I think you will find threads with little to no personal attacks a far easier read and much more informative. Granted there are many more fallacies used, but ad hominem appears to be the leading cause of terrible threads with terrible posting. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3100
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Posted - 2013.01.01 02:14:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:But then you go from good to fail in 3 seconds. I'm responding to the ridiculas OP, specifically his call for null anoms in high sec and limiting escalations from high sec plexes/anoms to only high sec. Null anoms in high sec huh, that would be handy for when reds try to camp me into a station. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1077
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Posted - 2013.01.01 02:16:00 -
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But I thought:
Petra Hakaari wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:(Crocodile Hunter voice)
(/Crocodile Hunter Vocie) And here is the example of that behavior i mean xDDDDD You dont need to try to be a clown to get attention, you could just try to use reason and word, not just over and over and over the same dog-eared argument. Good night, boy.
Let me give you some advice: learn personal responsibility. If you post something dumb, own up to the mistake rather than trying to blame those who are simply pointing out your mistakes.
Yes, my opinion of your idea is just an opinon. Problem is, mine is the correct opinion, the opinion that is consistant with what EVE is (and what "EVE is" is a game where rewards go up the FURTHER you get from safety, your idea brings potentially greater rewards in the form of better anomalies and safer escalations to an area that is supposed to have LOWER rewards because it is secured by game mechanics). Your suggestions do not belong in EVE or any serious spaceship game. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3101
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Posted - 2013.01.01 02:19:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Let me give you some advice: learn personal responsibility. If you post something dumb, own up to the mistake rather than trying to blame those who are simply pointing out your mistakes.
Yes, my opinion of your idea is just an opinon. Problem is, mine is the correct opinion, the opinion that is consistant with what EVE is (and what "EVE is" is a game where rewards go up the FURTHER you get from safety, your idea brings potentially greater rewards in the form of better anomalies and safer escalations to an area that is supposed to have LOWER rewards because it is secured by game mechanics). Your suggestions do not belong in EVE or any serious spaceship game. To hell with rational thinking and considering game balance? I want ~my highsec high-level anoms~ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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