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Zinn Irate
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.01 14:46:00 -
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A J244 has a Max Mass of 20 mil kg and a total mass of 1 billion kg.
So, in order to force a collapse of these kinds of Class 1 wormholes, you'd have to pass through 50 ships of about 20 mil kg. Does that mean there's no feasible way to force a collapse of wormholes into Class 1 systems unless you want to make 50 trips over the course of several hours?
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
998
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Posted - 2013.01.01 14:58:00 -
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Zinn Irate wrote:A J244 has a Max Mass of 20 mil kg and a total mass of 1 billion kg.
So, in order to force a collapse of these kinds of Class 1 wormholes, you'd have to pass through 50 ships of about 20 mil kg. Does that mean there's no feasible way to force a collapse of wormholes into Class 1 systems unless you want to make 50 trips over the course of several hours?
C1 WHs freaking suck to collapse. But you can do it in about 30min with 3 BCs |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics
K162
1196
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Posted - 2013.01.01 15:06:00 -
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use retrievers |
42BelowVodka
Techno-Wizard Industrial Technologies
6
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Posted - 2013.01.01 15:40:00 -
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make sure u have a Heavy Interdictor for the last part to make sure u end up on the right side |
VegasMirage
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Posted - 2013.01.01 16:16:00 -
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Zinn Irate wrote:A J244 has a Max Mass of 20 mil kg and a total mass of 1 billion kg.
So, in order to force a collapse of these kinds of Class 1 wormholes, you'd have to pass through 50 ships of about 20 mil kg. Does that mean there's no feasible way to force a collapse of wormholes into Class 1 systems unless you want to make 50 trips over the course of several hours?
you can to use a Stabber with a 100mn AB on it, brings its mass to 60 mill when turned on or roughly 14 mill w/out AB
so 8 rnd trips with this and you have a closed hole,the last trip out don't turn on your AB then when you come back in turn it on, it should collapse - as poster above said its nice if you have a dictor on hand in case mass gets weird on you
if you have 8 guys/alts you can close/roll it immediately. Also, this ship is easily trained for so you can have "throw-away" alt be your last closer (somebody with no implants etc.,), just make sure they have probing skills up to 3 or 4.
a typical fit for a stabber I used... (you can use meta for mods, if you wanna make it real cheap), as is its like 25 mill isk
Low Slots:
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Medium Slots
Faint Warp Disruptor I
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator (can use tracking disruptor)
Experimental 100MN Afterburner I
High Slots (can use Dual 180's with a reactor vs Nano mod)
200mm AutoCannon II
200mm AutoCannon II
200mm AutoCannon II
200mm AutoCannon II
Core Probe Launcher I
Improved Cloaking Device II
Rigs
Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Has between 131 and 208 dps with barrage and hits out at betwen 8km and 20km (depending on smalls or medium guns), top speed o/h 2,685 m/sec, and remember they can't scram you (so you should be good).
You can replace small guns with large guns or add a 800mm plate or a tracking disruptor, but I prefer small guns with dual webs and nano. This thing goes +2800 m/sec so if somebody is chasing you, they need a lot of webs.
Hope that helps you.
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corbexx
Aperture Harmonics
K162
59
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Posted - 2013.01.01 16:54:00 -
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VegasMirage wrote:Zinn Irate wrote:A J244 has a Max Mass of 20 mil kg and a total mass of 1 billion kg.
So, in order to force a collapse of these kinds of Class 1 wormholes, you'd have to pass through 50 ships of about 20 mil kg. Does that mean there's no feasible way to force a collapse of wormholes into Class 1 systems unless you want to make 50 trips over the course of several hours?
you can to use a Stabber with a 100mn AB on it, brings its mass to 60 mill when turned on or roughly 14 mill w/out AB so 8 rnd trips with this and you have a closed hole,the last trip out don't turn on your AB then when you come back in turn it on, it should collapse - as poster above said its nice if you have a dictor on hand in case mass gets weird on you
Ok maybe i'm getting stuff really mixed up but if max mass is 20million how you going to get the stabber through with 100mn ab on if its 60 million
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
998
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Posted - 2013.01.01 16:57:00 -
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corbexx wrote:VegasMirage wrote:Zinn Irate wrote:A J244 has a Max Mass of 20 mil kg and a total mass of 1 billion kg.
So, in order to force a collapse of these kinds of Class 1 wormholes, you'd have to pass through 50 ships of about 20 mil kg. Does that mean there's no feasible way to force a collapse of wormholes into Class 1 systems unless you want to make 50 trips over the course of several hours?
you can to use a Stabber with a 100mn AB on it, brings its mass to 60 mill when turned on or roughly 14 mill w/out AB so 8 rnd trips with this and you have a closed hole,the last trip out don't turn on your AB then when you come back in turn it on, it should collapse - as poster above said its nice if you have a dictor on hand in case mass gets weird on you Ok maybe i'm getting stuff really mixed up but if max mass is 20million how you going to get the stabber through with 100mn ab on if its 60 million
You aren't. VegaMirage's solution is fail. |
VegasMirage
348
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Posted - 2013.01.01 18:38:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:corbexx wrote:VegasMirage wrote:Zinn Irate wrote:A J244 has a Max Mass of 20 mil kg and a total mass of 1 billion kg.
So, in order to force a collapse of these kinds of Class 1 wormholes, you'd have to pass through 50 ships of about 20 mil kg. Does that mean there's no feasible way to force a collapse of wormholes into Class 1 systems unless you want to make 50 trips over the course of several hours?
you can to use a Stabber with a 100mn AB on it, brings its mass to 60 mill when turned on or roughly 14 mill w/out AB so 8 rnd trips with this and you have a closed hole,the last trip out don't turn on your AB then when you come back in turn it on, it should collapse - as poster above said its nice if you have a dictor on hand in case mass gets weird on you Ok maybe i'm getting stuff really mixed up but if max mass is 20million how you going to get the stabber through with 100mn ab on if its 60 million You aren't. VegaMirage's solution is fail.
OOooops, my bad never lived in a C1 and misread your mass limitations
tbh I think I've only been in a C1 like 3 times... so yes I failed... again... at internet spaceships
I will remove the response, sorry I couldn't help newbro o/
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Zinn Irate
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.01.02 00:27:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:use retrievers
Actually, this might work if you were willing to go to the trouble, which might be worth it if you needed a good exit in a tight situation.
Each retriever (or similar size battlecruiser) trip would be 40mil kg. So, if you had three people, that would be 120mil kg mass about every five minutes. So, after an exciting hour of thrilling back and forth travel, you would collapse the hole.
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Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
88
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Posted - 2013.01.02 02:44:00 -
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Zinn Irate wrote:Jack Miton wrote:use retrievers Actually, this might work if you were willing to go to the trouble, which might be worth it if you needed a good exit in a tight situation. Each retriever (or similar size battlecruiser) trip would be 40mil kg. So, if you had three people, that would be 120mil kg mass about every five minutes. So, after an exciting hour of thrilling back and forth travel, you would collapse the hole.
Yeah, you'd want a gang of half a dozen or so people doing this exercise, or maybe more, as many hands do make light work here ;) although you only need 1 Retriever (or Mackinaw) and 1 HIC if you don't mind having a gaggle of pods on the "home" side of the WH.
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42BelowVodka
Techno-Wizard Industrial Technologies
7
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Posted - 2013.01.02 04:32:00 -
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when i close a wh in our class 1 i do it with 3 of my accounts, 2 in cheap haulers and myself in a HIC, phobos for me. get the wh to unstable and than only use the hic to close it safely.
got the ships decently stabbed in case someone drops by.
an scout that stays outside the wh issnt a bad thing either but i dont do that all the time |
Patient Zero1
Isotope Laboratories
The Laughing Men
0
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Posted - 2013.01.03 14:00:00 -
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We took a C5 with a static C1 not long ago .....and i'm here to tell you there is NO painless way to close that type of hole. It helps to some degree with security, other then that, it sucks hard. Move on, or enjoy the pain in the @ss hole. (see what I did there?)
EDIT: Up untill not long ago, they were even crappier, with even more mass..count your blessings. |
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