No. Those are not the "main" FW topics of 2013.

Those are yours.



I've been in FW for 3 years and the only thing "I" would like changed is the stupid docking mechanic.

3. Less PvE and more PvP. Like the above everyone is aware of it....FW should be a PvP activity with some sustainable PvE inside. Right now, even at tier 1, I can become self-sufficient as a less than one year old pilot flying cruisers and below and freely losing them weekly.

Factional Warfare is the PVP training ground for new players, where the hatred between the races of EVE fuels an Inferno

In FW you can easily make enough to sustain your pvp with minimal PVE (remember it's only PVE if the other guys don't show up to stop you!)

PVP should come at a cost. If you don't like the cost of pvp then bugger off and play one fo the 'arena' type pvp games where you lose nothing if you are beaten!

FW warfare zone control cannot function as a pvp only mechanic it would break the entire system and people would leave in droves! Seriously think how a pvp only mechanic could be implemented?!

If there wasn't a pve aspect to WZ control then what stops systems from instantly flipping? it would completly screw the system.

A lot of people whinge about the pve farmers in FW.....well guess what! Farmers are everywhere in eve. Without them eve would probably collapse under its own explosive weight. Ignore them or shoot them.

And to the whingers who constantly complain that farming controls too much of the warzone.....get of your f'king arses and go fight for your space then! if you can't be bothered to work for something and put some effort into it then i repeat my earlier sentance bugger off and play one fo the 'arena' type pvp games!

only way to do it pure pvp would to make it a low sec version of null with ihub timers and blah.... no thanks
. so i agree with you that the pve plex system works. just go out and do it people!

Seems to me plexes should have more spawns (isn't that how it used to be? why was it changed?) and those spawns should be tougher to kill.

Yes, because rampant farming was so bad before, CCP changed that you had to kill all spawns which appeared and there was the usual 3-4 extra waves. This also meant you had to be in properly sized boat to plex. Based on my observation, this eliminated most of the farming or at least slowed it down since even with some of the better assault frigates (farmers choice), it takes long time to kill all the rats, making it much more likely someone comes to annoy you.

But some people complained that these waves deter pvp'ing in said plexes, so CCP thought one npc which is slightly tougher to kill would deter farming and encourage pvp. Designing this rat to be still weak enough to be killed by t1 frigate in any size plex is probably an indication how much interest CCP actually has to FW (= none at all)

OGB has nothing to do with FW .... BTW ....

my 2 isk (edited)

system upgrades need to be changed.
tier needs to be changed.
tier benefits need to be changed.


tier should be based solely on % of systems owned.
in other words there are 70 systems in amarr/minmatar FW.
amarr owns 21 and minmatar owns 49.
amarr have have 30% control so tier 2 and minmatar have 70% control so tier 4.

tier benefits
tier 1: 0% increased LP
tier 2: 5% increased LP
tier 3: 10% increased LP
tier 4: 15% increased LP
tier 5: 20% increased LP, 0 LP for defensive plexing

change the system upgrade **** though.
level 0: nothing
level 1: 5% cheaper clones, 5% cheaper market orders, 5% plex rat dmg, 5% plex rat armor/shield repair, 5% plex rat armor/shield/structure
level 2: 10% cheaper clones, 10% cheaper market orders, 10% plex rat dmg, 10% plex rat armor/shield repair, 10% plex rat armor/shield/structure
level 3: 15% cheaper clones, 15% cheaper market orders, 15% plex rat dmg, 15% plex rat armor/shield repair, 15% plex rat armor/shield/structure
level 4: 20% cheaper clones, 20% cheaper market orders, 20% plex rat dmg, 20% plex rat armor/shield repair, 20% plex rat armor/shield/structure
level 5: 25% cheaper clones, 25% cheaper market orders, 25% plex rat dmg, 25% plex rat armor/shield repair, 25% plex rat armor/shield/structure

buffer: plexes time down when no enemies are inside (only times down back to original 0 time), plex NPCs have disruptors (100km) in addition to their increased dmg, repping, and total armor/shield/structure hitpoints

Status report 1st of January 2013:



Frequent topics that keeps coming up:
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Is the snowball effect of the LP bonus too high? (Current T1 = -50%, T2 = Standard, T3= +75%, T4 = 150% and T5 = 225%). Does it in fact make people jump for LP rather than fight for what they believe in and does the fact that the overwhelming power gain of massive LP on top simply kill off the competition as well as people leaving the losing Fraction when at T1 (-50% LP)?

Honestly when you start running the numbers the Isk ration stays around the same, sometimes worse for more items compared to a "weaker" teir

unless at T1, T1 just sucks

I highly doubt there are many items in Gal that can make around 4,500isk per LP, But I know of some in Amarr, issue is you might only be able to move 20-35k LP worth a week, but still

Overall the isk per LP for amarr over the T4 and T3s is 50% to 150% better. It just about evens out

I spent 2-3 hours last night in the highest contested system in a tech 1 fit frigate (not navy) and only found farmers (with full stabs) and people who warp out of the plex when I come onto scan. You can kill the rats in novice -> medium plexs in any dumb fit t1 frigate without breaking a sweat, the system is way too easy to farm. The only person who would fight me was a random pirate. Most of these "FW PvPers" are just carebears. I want the farmers gone from FW. OP made a good post, he obvious actually undocks and does more than farm/blob. +1

Why do you care if people farm plexes? If you chase them off they lose their plex. They're PvPing you by evading you and wasting your time.

Because of the way CCP designed the system, farmers are waging war without actually waging war due to plexes having an effect on system/WZ control. How or why CCP is unable to address the very simple issue of farmers is a mystery to me .. they obviously want to (say so in blogs) but their changes has so far barely made a dent as far as I have seen.

People have to be forced to fight for the plexes somehow, Merdeneth suggested auto-run defensive timers back when the war was a place for dabbling gentlemen (prior to "Throw LP at everything!") and it could work as one man would be able to 'counter' an unlimited number of farmers in a given system.

I spent 2-3 hours last night in the highest contested system in a tech 1 fit frigate (not navy) and only found farmers (with full stabs) and people who warp out of the plex when I come onto scan. You can kill the rats in novice -> medium plexs in any dumb fit t1 frigate without breaking a sweat, the system is way too easy to farm. The only person who would fight me was a random pirate. Most of these "FW PvPers" are just carebears. I want the farmers gone from FW. OP made a good post, he obvious actually undocks and does more than farm/blob. +1

Good Vaal Erit;

I spent 2-3 hours last night in Sisiede right next to the big battle in Dal farming. I don't see why you think this is a bad thing. I ran from pirates mostly. I only mannaged to get about 70,000 LP since I was driven off about once every 8 minutes. I saw pirates kill various FW enemies (and be killed in turn). Just because I was the duck they came to shoot and I ran for it doesn't mean there wasn't plenty of PvP.

Even lame guys in T1 rifters with 2wcs generate PvP--both for pirates and FW types.

your humble servent
SeaSaw

FFS people farming happens in pretty much every area of eve, as once shepard said to the other 'Get the flock over it!'

In FW you are able to undock, warp to a plex and run it down. You may or may not get attacked. If you do woot fight!!! if not you get an LP payment. What part of this is an issue?

If you warp to a plex and there is a WT there woot! Go kill him or chase him off. Either way if you are left in the plex and they aren't you win. Run the plex. defend it if they come back or just run it down. LP payment again. What part of this is an issue?

Seriously if all you care about is gudfites then just bugger off and become a pirate you can then jump into any plex and attack anyone you find. then see how hard it can be fo get ppl to fight you. Working as intended.

If you are in FW then run the plex's and fight for your faction getting paid to do so at the same time. PVP and isk making opportunities wow!!. working as intended.

If you are in FW for isk making fine go ahead fit up how you want as it doesn't really make a great deal of difference which side you are on tbh if you research your LP/isk ratio for each side you will find the difference isn't that great and being part of the 'winning' side will often make spending your LP rewards more difficult due to a glut in the market. Working as intented I say.

Man I have never seen a bunch of whiners as much a FW people in general.

YOU decide on how YOU play. Not the farmers. If YOU want to FW then go fight for YOUR faction. I mean actually undock and go capture plex's. That is what being in FW is about. Running the plex's pays YOU and generates PVP for YOU. If all YOU want is fights see above. Buy only YOU can decide this. Stop whining about THEM and go play YOUR game.

/end of rant! see you on the battlefield.

Farmers allow for easier capturing or defending of systems nobody cares about. (If they cared, they'd show up and run them off.)

I think everyone here is hitting on a similar topic. The whole idea of spinning buttons and restricted plex sizes really goes against a lot of what eve is. If this was decoupled from taking systems, then I would have less of a problem with it. But when 30 - 40 frigates or cruisers show up in my home system and you can only muster 10+15 people, you should have options. Not just be SOL. Restricting how you play, how you defend your home system with real consequences such as losing access to your station and ships should not be affected by spinning buttons and ship restrictions. I really wish I could offer an alternative way, but I really can't think of anything. I am just finding that the sand box is getting rules and restrictions that are against what eve is supposed to be.

The FW timer system is so much better than 0.0 because there are almost no structure grinds except for the IHUB which can be ninja-killed by 5 dreads in < 5 minutes.

OGB has nothing to do with FW .... BTW ....

It's true that it is used many other places in eve, but the impact on FW is HUGE, here is why:

OGB in FW are "not in FW" so they don't show up as as a Valid War Target & gate guns protect them (low sec).

Most fights in FW takes place in frigs & Cruisers, so a T3 OGB has almost zero risk of being engaged, especially since most cloak after jump , also we can't create warp bubbles in Low Sec.

OGB makes frigs tackle @ 36km and Web @ 15km that is a massive advantage in FW PvP they also provide a massive boost in speed, often see a Wolf doing 6-7km/sec.

We see far too often a small army of OGB jumping into system before any fighting takes place. This is completely stupid and I frankly never understood why OGB was created in the first place, did CCP run out of real ideas. I often hear that it was to allow small elite gangs an advantage, the reality check is not surprising that it is used by the blobs and those who already have a massive advantage in Isk and skills.

What we are asking is that OFF-grid becomes ON-grid and the fact that you're boosting a fleet member in fraction warfare makes you a valid fraction warfare target and that this is indicated (flashing orange).

Here's my 0.02 isk from my time in FW.....

1.) The plex system is actually a very good system for taking control of systems. The size restrictions and grid/gate setup creates interesting tactical environments. The time limits of plexes create a sense of urgency in responses. The station lockout mechanics provide consequences for not defending your territory... Overall, I think CCP has a very good system going here, but it does have some wrinkles that need ironing out.

2.) FW plexes should primarily focus on PvP, and NOT be such an efficient PvE only activity. Leave LP farming to FW mission runners... When carebear plexers are playing the major role in sov flipping, there is an issue. THE reasons for the NPC changes was to limit the afk farming carebear crap that plagued FW. In truth, when a person is running a plex, they should be rewarded for holding the ground and engaging an incoming opponent. For example:

This is an off-the-cuff idea, but imagine if for every ship destroyed inside the plex, there is a Bonus LP payout when capturing the plex.. If you bring too many people to fight, your enemy runs away and you don't get a "bonus" when you take a site... .When there is a large engagement within the plex, the plex bonus payout may be huge.... (which may be enough to encourage the opponents reshipping for round 2).

Note: Given that EvE's player base has a propensity to abuse mechanics, , I'm sure that thoroughly vetting the bonus system is necessary to prevent billion LP payouts.

Note 2: You can never really get risk-adverse players to fight when they think they risk not getting paid... What you can do, is limit the rewards they get when they are not taking risks. As such, I would actually recommend reducing the base payouts of all plexes, and move most of that LP payout to PewPew Bonuses.

I don't see how the FW system is any better. One has you sitting next to a station shooting it for a long time, one has you orbiting buttons for a long time.



I'll go ahead and share my thoughts;

In general, I hate plexing. I don't do it, unless we have a fleet up and it just happens to be something we do. I will almost never run a plex solo, and to be honest, I hate how the sovereignty system is tied to who has the most plexers- rather than who can control pvp battles. It annoys me to no end that the group who can win engagement after engagement, whoever it is, is ultimately irrelevant in who gets control of a system. Rather, the faction that is "winning" tier wise gets the most people who plex the most systems for that faction (most of which have no interest in actually getting in a fight), and the problem just gets worse.

The only part I like about plexing is the ship restrictions. I love flying frigates, destroyers and cruisers. I love that they are low SP ships that any new-bro can hop into, I love that they are inexpensive, and I like the way they fly. And due to the ship restrictions, I don't have to worry about being up-shipped.

However, due to my above complaints about the sovereignty system, I couldn't care less about it. If we take a system, cool. If we lose a system, cool. Except in very isolated situations where we run pvp fleets in a concerted effort to take a system, Dal most recently, for example, I have no interest in who holds sovereignty because 99% of the time that sovereignty wasn't determined by PvP, it was by PvE.

Unfortunately, I have no decent solutions for my complaints so it's really just bitching. I treat the FW zone as a highly populated pvp area, with nifty ship restrictions to shape a fight, and having targets that I can shoot without having to deal with gate/station guns. I'm ok with that set up, and I have fun playing in it. It seems like most people have fun too.

Under the current crime watch system, what you are proposing would be to make any booster get a suspect flag or get a limited engagement with anybody that somebody that they are boosting has aggressed. This is dumb and overly complicated. KISS. All you need is to make boosters be on-grid and the problem is 99% solved for FW. I'm not sure how much this will mess up the 0.0 guys though.

or just stop allowing module activation within a POS along with giving sec loss and criminal flag every time someone does anything criminal while being boosted

The difference between 0.0 sov and FW sov is that in order to hold sov in FW you actually have to live there and defend it 23.5/7. All of the systems that nobody lives in just get to be ping ponged back and forth by the farmers. You cannot ignore these systems and hope to hold them by dropping a blob into them from time to time. While not ideal, I see no way to make these systems sov determined by "pvp" since there really isn't any meaningful pvp "winner" in those systems. Who is the "pvp" winner, the guy who drops a massive blob into the system once in a while or the guys who can close plex after plex in the system unmolested? While the latter can be farmers, it could also be pvpers who live there. I'll take the latter. Is that really so bad?

The other beautiful thing is that when running a complex, it doesn't matter if I have 1 guy or 500 as it still takes a fixed amount of time to take. In 0.0, the more people I bring, the faster I grind through a structure. 0.0 mechanics encourages blobs while FW mechanics discourages blobs. In 0.0, I have plenty of time to move my giant "safe" blob from system to system dealing with timers as they come up. In FW, you need to spread out and take as many plexes as possible using the bare minimum amount of people to take each plex in order to maximize the total number of plexes capped per unit time.

A faction may not have the largest fleet to "blob" an enemy, but they can have the most farmers to "blob" the warzone. If this "blob" was the pvpers, then fine, they are holding a system 23.5/7, but it's not. PvPers might go scare off some farmers, but they'll just move to another system and come back later. Sovereignty in FW is all just another grind with a different face than 0.0.

If there was some way to actually defend an IHUB, I think it would make the system a lot better. Right now, people either ninja it, or if an enemy fleet shows up they peace out and do it later. On top of that, the defender simply wants them to take the system because it's easier and gives more LP to just replex it back yourself. The mechanic should be that if you successfully "defend" the IHUB, the whole system resets back to 0% vulnerable. It could just be a long king-of-the-hill plex timer, forcing you to stay on field and defend the thing (which would probably create some pretty epic battles), whatever.

Farmers do not affect sov in home systems. They affect sov in far off areas where nobody else cares to operate. The sov map doesn't have an "importance scale", but you should. And when you filter the map through that lens, fighting for sov is more fun. (Basically, kick the damn bastards out of their home/mission systems!)


IHUBS are just another EHP impediment designed to get an occasional large fleet fight. They are boring and ought to be removed. Sov should be on a sliding scale from -100% to 100%, with 0% being the defining point for sovereignty. Station lockouts ought to occur at +/- X% (maybe 33%) so that there is a time where both sides can dock in the same system (because it reflects a time when nobody really "owns" the system).

But, what we have is not so bad that we can't live with it.

...If there was some way to actually defend an IHUB, I think it would make the system a lot better. Right now, people either ninja it, or if an enemy fleet shows up they peace out and do it later. On top of that, the defender simply wants them to take the system because it's easier and gives more LP to just replex it back yourself. The mechanic should be that if you successfully "defend" the IHUB, the whole system resets back to 0% vulnerable. It could just be a long king-of-the-hill plex timer, forcing you to stay on field and defend the thing (which would probably create some pretty epic battles), whatever.

Farmers do not affect sov in home systems. They affect sov in far off areas where nobody else cares to operate. The sov map doesn't have an "importance scale", but you should. And when you filter the map through that lens, fighting for sov is more fun. (Basically, kick the damn bastards out of their home/mission systems!)

IHUBS are just another EHP impediment designed to get an occasional large fleet fight. They are boring and ought to be removed. Sov should be on a sliding scale from -100% to 100%, with 0% being the defining point for sovereignty. Station lockouts ought to occur at +/- X% (maybe 33%) so that there is a time where both sides can dock in the same system (because it reflects a time when nobody really "owns" the system).

But, what we have is not so bad that we can't live with it.

I strongly disagree with this. This is what makes FW different than the rest of Eve.

What makes FW great is that to take systems you have to dominate at 2 of 3 of the following (should be 4 until CCP fixes DT large plex spawns): T1 Frigs, T1/T2 Dessies and down, and T1/T2 cruisers and down. Then you have to be able to bust the ihub where anything goes. You also need to dominate in those plexes for more than 12 hours a day.

tl:dr - I don't log in and so I don't know wtf I'm talking about.

If there were no IHUB shoots then there would never be any use for dreads or carriers. The EHP of them makes the option for fights to escalate up from cruisers and BC's which used to be everywhere.

[ And frankly, tier 1 or even tier 2 produces pretty bad isk/hr. On that scale it's hard to ignore. I'd also like to see them remove tiers altogether, as our un-equal farming alt problem would likely go away.

This is the problem with FW is that it's become nothing but blob warfare and there is no real tactics out side of bring MOAR people. We already have that with null sec Sov war, we didn't need it with FW as well, which was one of the few places where small gang PVP was possible.

[quote=Sokor Loro]
They aren't great isk/hour but they are good enough to not have to take time away to farm - you can be available to pvp more and replace your ships at a decent rate. Which is what it's all about.

Personally, I don't really like the Tier system either. I think station lockouts are the key feature driving pvp.

...Edit: Which I will expand upon here: Station lockouts not only provide incentive to protect home systems, but they also help restrict isk making ability of the other side through FW missions...

Small gang PvP happens all the time in all parts of the warzone.

This isn't WoW; if you want a nice 10v10, 5v5, w/e matchup, that is your game. Unlike most people, I won't trash you for playing it. To each his own.The problem is your definition of "Blob", and people bitching about it. "OMG we only have two people and you brought four, BLOBBERS!". "MOAR people" is a valid tactic and has been used since the beginning of EVE, and the beginning of time. It hasn't "become" this way, it has always been this way and it's simply not going to change. This game is about finding an advantages, manipulating it, and using it to fight on your terms.

Whining about, "The Blob" is an archaic, ignorant and cliche excuse that has never accomplished anything and never will. There is always a bigger fish. Learn to adapt.



That's true, I'm not saying you can't live with it. It's just an economy of time. And I definitely agree with the station lockouts.

We still prefer to just welp about untill we hear that, ive got someone tackled calll and we all rush to ***** on it.

I'll tell yea what happened last time I visited your side of the war zone just a week or so back. I sat in Kurniainen for 2 and a half hours because the Oyonata gate had a rotating camp of 2 different Minmatar groups and 1 pie group. Every time I've flown down on that side of the war front it's always like this, just random camps at various gates with sensor boosted ships out the ass ships.

Very boring for someone that likes to hop in a Cruiser or BC and go for a roam. Adapt must mean stay in the station, because you sure aren't getting a Vexor past 15 guys that have a remote sensor boosted Arazu and 2 intys + all their DPS and 3 logistic ships.

This is why FW and largely this game has become boring, because no one can really go out and get real solo anymore unless you fly a frig. It's just a bunch of kill mail whores that don't really care about fights, but just if they can gank something or not and most of the PVP is gate camps out side of FW and now in FW it's just a bunch of frigs in plexes.

FW was the only place you could still take out a BC or cruiser and get some action solo, but now that's even ruined because the whole war revolves around frigs & dessies in plexes. Sorry but I didn't skill up 70 mil some odd skill points to fly frigs & dessies that I could fly with a 10 mil SP alt.

tl;dr I don't log in and play FW so I don't know what I'm talking about.

I'll tell yea what happened last time I visited your side of the war zone just a week or so back. I sat in Kurniainen for 2 and a half hours because the Oyonata gate had a rotating camp of 2 different Minmatar groups and 1 pie group. Every time I've flown down on that side of the war front it's always like this, just random camps at various gates with sensor boosted ships out the ass ships.

Very boring for someone that likes to hop in a Cruiser or BC and go for a roam. Adapt must mean stay in the station, because you sure aren't getting a Vexor past 15 guys that have a remote sensor boosted Arazu and 2 intys + all their DPS and 3 logistic ships.

This is why FW and largely this game has become boring, because no one can really go out and get real solo anymore unless you fly a frig. It's just a bunch of kill mail whores that don't really care about fights, but just if they can gank something or not and most of the PVP is gate camps out side of FW and now in FW it's just a bunch of frigs in plexes.

FW was the only place you could still take out a BC or cruiser and get some action solo, but now that's even ruined because the whole war revolves around frigs & dessies in plexes. Sorry but I didn't skill up 70 mil some odd skill points to fly frigs & dessies that I could fly with a 10 mil SP alt.

Also I'd never play WoW, DayZ is likely the only hardcore sandbox game out there at the moment. Hence the game I now play to get actual challenging solo PVP where it's up to the individual not the numbers.

I'll tell yea what happened last time I visited your side of the war zone just a week or so back. I sat in Kurniainen for 2 and a half hours because the Oyonata gate had a rotating camp of 2 different Minmatar groups and 1 pie group. Every time I've flown down on that side of the war front it's always like this, just random camps at various gates with sensor boosted ships out the ass ships.

Very boring for someone that likes to hop in a Cruiser or BC and go for a roam. Adapt must mean stay in the station, because you sure aren't getting a Vexor past 15 guys that have a remote sensor boosted Arazu and 2 intys + all their DPS and 3 logistic ships.

This is why FW and largely this game has become boring, because no one can really go out and get real solo anymore unless you fly a frig. It's just a bunch of kill mail whores that don't really care about fights, but just if they can gank something or not and most of the PVP is gate camps out side of FW and now in FW it's just a bunch of frigs in plexes.

FW was the only place you could still take out a BC or cruiser and get some action solo, but now that's even ruined because the whole war revolves around frigs & dessies in plexes. Sorry but I didn't skill up 70 mil some odd skill points to fly frigs & dessies that I could fly with a 10 mil SP alt.

Also I'd never play WoW, DayZ is likely the only hardcore sandbox game out there at the moment. Hence the game I now play to get actual challenging solo PVP where it's up to the individual not the numbers.

No, it has always been this way. You're just complaining. You are complaining about being "blobbed" while you are out solo? Are you for real? Newsflash: EVE is a **** solo game, it always has been and it always will. Go play DayZ; it's a fun game. But cut the bullshit elitist mentality, nobody gives a **** about it, you, or your bitching.

Fixed.

I rest my case.. This is the exact thing that has ruined the PVP in this game, no one can do anything with out yelling HELP for all their 15 friends to come *****. No one can fight their own fights with out assurance they will win with over whelming numbers. No one plays for the challenge, it's all about playing for high score.

It is telling that the most vocal and prolific posters on this issue are players who aren't actively participating in the system, or who have already dismissed it out of hand.

I, too, can write up long polemics about high-sec mining, station trading, and C5 Sleeper loot balance. But my opinion would be worth less than that of the players who actually engage in those activities on a day to day basis. And rightfully so.

All this forum theory-crafting is about as painful as watching EFT warriors go at it. It's roughly the equivalent.

Just like when you Gal's used to ***** and whine all the time about down time plex advantage or EW NPCs. You guys complained for years about it and finally it was changed. You guys didn't plex at all or play the Sov War game because you felt it was broken. Hence the reason I no longer play FW because I feel it's broken and needs fixed.

We didn-¦t stop playing tho.

Bring something that can kill frigs??? If you worry about 5 frigs, then what would you do if we had like oooh scary destroyers. Dare to be bold., see if you can tackle that vigilant in your slicer ( lol ) When we don't fly solo we nearly always fly with 3-10 max. We make exceptions when we occiasionally fly with annah or ushra'khan, but you hardly see us in BS or BC and most of the time we fly fun small stuff.
Starting to think you don't want to fight to begin with.


My advice to your corp, fly something different from hookbills and caracals for a change.

As for amarr-minnies, both sides blob and blueball. Thats just part of the game. Fweddit/ yolo gang fly on a regular basis and are more than a match for what minnies can bring.

We lived in Vlillirier, and had to fight tooth and nail for it in July.

[quote=Sokor Loro]
Perhaps when you started in 2011 it was already very blobby. When I started in 2009 It was very possible to fly around in BC's & Cruisers and get decent solo fights.

Wooah! Way back in 2009! Man, the good 'ole days. I'm sure EVERYTHING was different way back then. People were much more honorable and everyone liked to solo.

I'm obviously talking about long before CCP added in docking rights for Sov Holders. IE the old system when Gals favorite line was "we don't plex because it doesn't mean anything".

But we also participated in sovereignty warfare before the Inferno, before Retribution, and in the beginning too. In fact, you might notice that my name is on the all-tiime Victory Points list and yours isn't.

So exactly what's your point? We've pretty much participated in the Sov warfare mechanic in all forms. You haven't.

Not really. In those days the squids were full of guys who would speed tank plexes, warp out at the first sign of trouble, and/or stab their merlins for good measure. At least the merlin only had two low slots, so a faction scram could catch them.

Ahh kinda like Gal plex farmers of today.. I do see how much time has changed but things remain the same.

I f we try to think this current FW mechanic on the way that it will be used as 0.0 sov warfare mechanic.

We do not make any plexes for 0.0 but we change that killing rats affects who gets sov, as plexes affect in FW and can be compared to isk making.

Furthermore if you are big alliance and you have lot of systems you get boosted isk from rat bounties just like you get lp in FW.

Now if you let ninja ratters farm you rats with -50% base bounty you may lose system.

And yes, ofc we add that anyone can join that big alliance with alts anytime they want and rat those boosted bounties.

CCP and EVE community should now praise this good mechanic how ninja ratters would unite and come to take all your systems.

Bad Messenger,

I kindly request you to delete this post and act as it never happened. If by a mischance a CCP game designer see this, he might decide it's a brilliant idea and apply it to null-sec.

Btw we're leaving Factional Warfare as it's current state is neither beneficial nor fun for our corporation. Of course we'll keep some farming alts on the winning side to pay for our accounts ;)

We lived in Vlillirier, and had to fight tooth and nail for it in July.

You do realise that caldari are scoring more vp than gallente right?
I mean its been said a dozen times, just wondering if it could possibly sing in at some point, that would be wonderful :)