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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.06.10 00:04:00 -
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U'K's been doin'a lot'ta things'at kind'a make'em look like'ey've been on'na Blood Raiders side, yeah? Even now'at I've seen'a the news about all'ose poor Amarri... Every'on'at's dyin' to'a Blood Raiders... How could'a U'K be so bold?
Is Ushra'Khan workin'a support Blood Raiders? Are they puttin'ere hate for'a Amarr before'a evil'at The Blood Raiders are? Is winnin'a war more 'portant'an human life?
Sometimes'a most evil thing'at one can do'is just sit back'an do nothin'...
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Pulgor
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Posted - 2005.06.10 00:08:00 -
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They may well be supporting them un-intentionally. They don't have a war declaration with them which diplomatically means they are not a war priority.
Sure is an interesting question though. I hope you find the answers you seek.
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Witch Doctor
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Posted - 2005.06.10 00:13:00 -
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Edited by: Witch Doctor on 10/06/2005 00:17:40
Aphoxema, your perversion at the hands of your captors (yes, captors) is complete. There is no limit to the ways in which they have corrupted your young mind. It is truly a tragedy to see you beguiled by such treachery.
The Amarrian Empire supports slavery, but they do so with a belief, albeit misguided, in its benificence. Some do actually believe they treat their captives favorably.
The Blood Raiders, on the other hand, care not for the value of life and are known to treat slaves like cattle to slake their thirst for blood.
Historically, the Blood Raiders have been but a perverse footnote in the oppression of the Minmatar people. As such, the Ushra'Khan has had no official policy on them or their supporters, which continues to this day. It is safe to say that many of our member corporations would like to see them as dead as conventional slavers.
The consequence of recent events remains to be seen.
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Tar Kovsky
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Posted - 2005.06.10 00:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Aphoxema G
U'K's been doin'a lot'ta things'at kind'a make'em look like'ey've been on'na Blood Raiders side, yeah?
Ridiculous.
Let's see. On the one hand, we have the Ushra'Khan, seeking to free slaves and make life as miserable as possible for the slavers. Any change there? No.
On the other hand, we have the Blood Raiders and their hangers-on who, in addition to their dubious culinary habits, have suddenly discovered a passion for freeing slaves. Any change there? Absolutely.
So the real question is, are the Blood Raiders working to support the Ushra'Khan? After all, if it were the other way around, I'd be on my way to raid the First Blood Bank of Pator in order to share a light snack with my crew, instead of running guns to my recently cured brothers and sisters.
Your attempt to sow the seeds of doubt is laughably transparent.
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Al Haquis
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Posted - 2005.06.10 00:47:00 -
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Your bonkers.
Al Haquis
With love from -MM-
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Council Member, Tahiri Warrior
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Jobe117
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Posted - 2005.06.10 00:49:00 -
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Currently we are not working together in anyway, many Ushra'Khan members, well at least all that i have spoken to, disagree greatly with what we have done. Over 20 U'K members took a long trip though the Bleak Lands today and we were able to discuss the issue, but unfortunatley in no depth.
It seems that they are angry as we released many slaves and then left them to the slaughter, though i believe it was Amarrian disembodied heads, that were shown in the media picture, staked on the parapets, and not those of the slaves.
What can the blood raiders do against the Ammar Navy, it would have been suicide to help. We merely gave them freedom of choice. I'd rather have that than be a mindless slave, wouldn't you?!
We've managed to accomplish what the Ushra'Khan have been attempting to do for a majority of their existence. They may say its no great feat, but its certainly a start, and compared to what they've done, its alot! The content of this post is my no means aimed to disrespect or offend any of the Ushra'Khan, and if i have done so i aplogise sincerely. It is only here to inform those of who are interested in the matter.
Jobe
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Makkar
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Posted - 2005.06.10 01:05:00 -
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You've achieved more, in the fact that you killed hundreds of thousands of Minmatar in the supression of and reprisals for the rebellion you instigated.
Way to go, numbnuts.
See, that insult would stick, if we actually shared a common purpose. We don't. You don't care one iota for the countless Matari lives you're ending with your attacks. You care only for the downfall of the Amarr Empire.
We are still at crossed purposes. Your comparison of "achievements" is like comparing chalk, and cheese. Gotta hand it to you, though... Nice attempt at a spin.
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Makkar
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Posted - 2005.06.10 01:08:00 -
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I'm saying "we" through force of habit. However, if any Ushra'Khan are prepared to step forward and say they actually do support these nihilistic morons, then I shall stand corrected about what I assume will be the U'K line.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.06.10 07:28:00 -
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Originally by: Hakera
Originally by: Discorporation
No slave is pod-enabled  .
most ships are not pod enabled
Teaching cattle how to fly is silly
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.06.10 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
I'm going to do something silly, and offer you my help like I did Mr. Hnolku. I'm a pretty good scientist, and I have access to five science teams, spread across the universe.
I believe we will try more reknowned biochemists first, but thanks for your offer.
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.06.10 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: Hakera
I believe we will try more reknowned biochemists first, but thanks for your offer.
It'll remain standing.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Aodha Khan
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Posted - 2005.06.10 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: Aphoxema G
Is winnin'a war more 'portant'an human life?
Oh, the irony ....
So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak. |
Sforza
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Posted - 2005.06.10 08:56:00 -
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From the patchy news reports we have, it seems to me that the Blood Raiders and their associate groups have used the Matari slaves as a weapon to throw against the Amarrian holders on Mabnen.
As with most weapons, you dont care what happens to the weapon as long as it kills those you point it at. Until we have further news from Mabnen, all we can do is speculate, but it seems likely that those slaves who were affected by the aerosol attack have been suppressed ie killed. Slaves hurling rocks will rarely hold an advantage over trained troops with heavy weaponry for long.
Would we have done such an act? Yes, we would have.. but we'd have had transport ships in position to get the slaves off planet and out. Thats the difference.
How do I feel about the Blood Raiders and the Blood Inquistion? I hope they burn in whatever hell awaits those who commit mass murder. I, for one, will applaud any CVA or Aegis pilots who pods one those bastards back to the stone age.
I have done dubious things in the name of Ushra'Khan, and I will continue to do so. I'm not whiter than white, nor are my fellow pilots of Ushra'Khan, but to suggest that we'd be allied to the Blood Raiders and associated hangers on.. if it were true, I'd walk away for good. Some ends do not justify the means.
Clear Aphoxema?
Sforza
CEO
Vronsky Brothers and Sons
Council Member
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GoGo Yubari
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Posted - 2005.06.10 13:04:00 -
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Take it from one of the longest standing supporters of the Blood Raiders ...
U'K absolutely does not support the Raiders. I'm quite sure I'd know if they did, and I know they don't. Truth be told, I've thought about talking to them about possible cooperation, but that never got out of my head. I didn't really consider it all that likely.
But, lemme throw out an interesting tidbit ...
You'd be surprised to near-death if you knew where we've gotten support from in the past. Enough of that though, I'll leave you wondering.
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.06.10 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: GoGo Yubari
But, lemme throw out an interesting tidbit ...
You'd be surprised to near-death if you knew where we've gotten support from in the past. Enough of that though, I'll leave you wondering.
 actually i wouldnt be surprised
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Jet Collins
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Posted - 2005.06.10 13:24:00 -
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Edited by: Jet Collins on 10/06/2005 13:34:13
Edited by: Jet Collins on 10/06/2005 13:29:14
It was my understanding that the Blood inslaved matari as well(Correct me if I'm wrong). So clearly I would have to say that they have no concerns with the slaves that will die because of thier actions they just want the Ammar Empire to fall.
My Point being I would not think the UK would work with someone would has slaves of thier own.
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2005.06.10 13:45:00 -
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Like Karin Midular?
There's no meaning to life when you cling only to common sense |
Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2005.06.10 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
The actions of the rebel slaves, however, leads me to believe that it wasn't just Insorum that the Blood Raiders used.
This could very well be true.
Because there's no way that a planet full of slaves, with something like a 100-to-1 ratio over the Amarrans there, would have done something similar were their chains suddenly cut.
There's no meaning to life when you cling only to common sense |
Former Slave
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Posted - 2005.06.10 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi
Because there's no way that a planet full of slaves, with something like a 100-to-1 ratio over the Amarrans there, would have done something similar were their chains suddenly cut.
Heh. Shintoko 4tw!
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.06.10 14:03:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 10/06/2005 14:06:59
Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi
Originally by: Rodj Blake
The actions of the rebel slaves, however, leads me to believe that it wasn't just Insorum that the Blood Raiders used.
This could very well be true.
Because there's no way that a planet full of slaves, with something like a 100-to-1 ratio over the Amarrans there, would have done something similar were their chains suddenly cut.
It's unlikely that they even knew that "their chains were cut", as you put it.
Especially when you consider that:
a) Since the drug was released into the atmosphere in aerosol form, the workers would probably have had no way of knowing that a release had occured.
b) Even if they had detected the aerosol, the workers would not have known that it was Insorum that had been released into the atmosphere, unless it had effects other than a reduction in Vitoc dependency.
And since I have no doubt that the slaves were well cared for, they would have had no reason for an uprising unless they were turned psychotic by dangerous drugs.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.06.10 14:09:00 -
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Vitoc antidote leaves you all numb and sleepy-like. Presumably a side-effect from it interacting with the vitoc molecules
If the antidote is delivered, the haze or stupor is lifted too.
It's like, suddenly waking up, remembering what people forced you to do and getting absolutely bloody ****ed off beyond reasoning.
'S what I'd do 
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.06.10 14:12:00 -
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For once, I agree with Discorporation. Its true. You have no idea how much the slaves hate you.
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"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." - Unknown Warrior
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Former Slave
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Posted - 2005.06.10 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
And since I have no doubt that the slaves were well cared for, they would have had no reason for an uprising unless they were turned psychotic by dangerous drugs.
Because we're all aware of the generous guidelines established by the SPCS that provide for -- what, 4 hours of sleep each day? And a hard cot? And a single meal?
We should all be so fortunate.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.06.10 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
And since I have no doubt that the slaves were well cared for
And that is where your reasoning fails.
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"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." - Unknown Warrior
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.06.10 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Former Slave
Originally by: Rodj Blake
And since I have no doubt that the slaves were well cared for, they would have had no reason for an uprising unless they were turned psychotic by dangerous drugs.
Because we're all aware of the generous guidelines established by the SPCS that provide for -- what, 4 hours of sleep each day? And a hard cot? And a single meal?
We should all be so fortunate.
Yes, SPCS guidelines are indeed generous.
Now return to your master, young lady.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.06.10 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
Vitoc antidote leaves you all numb and sleepy-like. Presumably a side-effect from it interacting with the vitoc molecules
If the antidote is delivered, the haze or stupor is lifted too.
It's like, suddenly waking up, remembering what people forced you to do and getting absolutely bloody ****ed off beyond reasoning.
'S what I'd do
It's not that bad.
If adopted workers were kept in a state of constant drowsiness, they would not be suitable for many of their assigned tasks.
Anyway Disco, your always absolutely bloody ****ed off beyond reasoning without a Vitoc addiction.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Former Slave
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Posted - 2005.06.10 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Now return to your master, young lady.
My "master" began raping me when I was eight years old. By the time I turned thirteen, I no longer appealed to his tastes, thank Cizin.
A fellow slave, Amarrian and highly trusted, was disgusted enough by the Holder's actions to help me contact the underground and escape. I owe her my life.
Now, what was it you were saying about our "betters"?
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.06.10 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Former Slave
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Now return to your master, young lady.
My "master" began raping me when I was eight years old. By the time I turned thirteen, I no longer appealed to his tastes, thank Cizin.
A fellow slave, Amarrian and highly trusted, was disgusted enough by the Holder's actions to help me contact the underground and escape. I owe her my life.
Now, what was it you were saying about our "betters"?
If your master had really mistreated you, the correct thing to do would have been to contact your nearest SPCS representive rather than break the law yourself.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.06.10 14:33:00 -
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Edited by: Discorporation on 10/06/2005 14:33:11
Originally by: Rodj Blake
It's not that bad.
If adopted workers were kept in a state of constant drowsiness, they would not be suitable for many of their assigned tasks.
Anyway Disco, your always absolutely bloody ****ed off beyond reasoning without a Vitoc addiction.
No I'm not.
Any you know I'm right, too. Silly that you don't want to admit to it, when all of the empire is scared witless.
:)
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.06.10 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
If your master had really mistreated you, the correct thing to do would have been to contact your nearest SPCS representive rather than break the law yourself.
Your SPCS is powerless.
I woner what they have to say about the annihilation of the Mabnen colonies, though
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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