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Celticjim	Posted - 2005.06.10 16:29:00 - [1] I appreciate the fact you folks are Mercs, and get paid to kill regardless of target, but is there really a need to do the log on/off thing that I have been noticing? I have pretty much all of you added to buddy's list, and from what I was seeing yesterday, I was desperately looking round for that big mallet so I could play whack-a-mole. You're taking on an alliance of miners, and industrialists, is this really necessary? If I am wrong, someone just explain to me what I am seeing when it pertains to buddy list players joining and leaving the game on what appears to be a rather frequent basis This is not a post about please stop shooting them, but rather the tactics being used to shoot them Thanks CJ
IamBen	Posted - 2005.06.10 16:32:00 - [2] im not exactly sure what u are talking about? Do you mean they log out when u show up in system or they are just logging off and loggin on alot?
Celticjim	Posted - 2005.06.10 16:46:00 - [3] The latter. Logging on/off and showing on the character icon lower right hand corner. Not certain of reason, have only been in system once and have witnessed one player doing it. I will be evemailing them directly next time I log on. No need to name on the forums CJ
Mac Knife	Posted - 2005.06.10 16:55:00 - [4] ok so they can't log on and off due to real life issues? Also the servers this week haven't exactly been stable, people crash alot too. There could be alot of reason they have to log on and off. So rather then making a forum post about it, why don't you convo one of them and ask?
Celticjim	Posted - 2005.06.10 16:58:00 - [5] If alot of them are either having concurrent irl issues, or connectivity problems, then my humblest apologies, and no further responses need to be written, and we can close the topic CJ
Celticjim	Posted - 2005.06.10 17:01:00 - [6] Crap..I just called away to business meeting. Won't be able to respond to anything for a few hours. Soz CJ
Darken Two	Posted - 2005.06.10 17:20:00 - [7] Was this thread really necessary. If you don't know, don't assume. Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!! In the Immortal words of Kayosoni (and where applicable) "This thread sucks. 2 Newb corps trying to make themselves look good... ugh"
Cloned Mark	Posted - 2005.06.10 17:32:00 - [8] Edited by: Cloned Mark on 10/06/2005 17:32:31 Originally by: Celticjim You're taking on an alliance of miners, and industrialists, is this really necessary? So Foundation are an alliance of miners and industrialists? ----------------------------- Latrodectus hesperus
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2005.06.10 17:40:00 - [9] Wow, they logged out, and then they logged back in, while you were not in system with them...that's horrible. Seriously, Nobody should be allowed to log out ever...that's what downtime is for right?
Masken	Posted - 2005.06.10 17:45:00 - [10] The mask was here before ....ooo whiat a min.. SCANDINAVIAN APPLE CAKE Recipe By : Serving Size : 8 Preparation Time :0:00 Categories : Cakes Desserts Apples Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method -------- ------------ -------------------------------- Scandia, Hollywood 5 lb Apples Sugar Lemon juice Butter/Margarine -- melted 1 1/2 c Toasted cake crumbs 1/2 c Currant jelly 3 oz Mixed nuts -- ground 12 Macaroons 3 oz Sliced blanched almonds 1 c Whipping cream Core, peel and slice apples. Season to taste with sugar and lemon jice and cook in small amount of water until apples are tender. Drain in large strainer and press to extract water. Pour melted butter into 2-inch-deep 10-inch layer cake pan, spreading evenly in pan. Sprinkle 1/2 cup cake crumbs over bottom of pan. Spread half of apples over crumbs. Top with jelly, then nuts, then 1/2 cup more crumbs. Place macaroons in layer over crumbs. Top with remaining apples and cover with remaining 1/2 cup cake crumbs. Bake at 450 deg. 30 minutes. Cool in refrigerator. Sprinkle almonds lightly with water, then sprinkle with sugar and toast at 350 deg. 15 to 20 minutes or until golden. Shake pan after 10 minutes to keep almonds from sticking together. Whip cream and frost cake. Sprinkle with almonds.
Blind Fear	Posted - 2005.06.10 17:46:00 - [11] I certainly hope that you're not talking about The Wolves who are engaged against The Phantom Conglomerate. I'm not sure they've seen more then 5 people of a 500 man alliance undocked since the second day of the war. Nor do I believe that the wolves have managed to find an engagement of any reasonable size where they were not outnumbered at least 2:1 or worse. Nor do I believe that the wolves have ever been forced to hide for any substansial amount of time, nor be forced to log due to enemy activity. However, if you have a problem with their 'logoffs', I'm sure that you can pay them to war your corp. If you do, please remember that the undock button is in the lower left of your screen, and that at some point during said war, it might be usefully used.
Khaerie	Posted - 2005.06.10 17:53:00 - [12] Originally by: Masken The mask was here before ....ooo whiat a min.. SCANDINAVIAN APPLE CAKE Recipe By : Serving Size : 8 Preparation Time :0:00 Categories : Cakes Desserts Apples Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method -------- ------------ -------------------------------- Scandia, Hollywood 5 lb Apples Sugar Lemon juice Butter/Margarine -- melted 1 1/2 c Toasted cake crumbs 1/2 c Currant jelly 3 oz Mixed nuts -- ground 12 Macaroons 3 oz Sliced blanched almonds 1 c Whipping cream Core, peel and slice apples. Season to taste with sugar and lemon jice and cook in small amount of water until apples are tender. Drain in large strainer and press to extract water. Pour melted butter into 2-inch-deep 10-inch layer cake pan, spreading evenly in pan. Sprinkle 1/2 cup cake crumbs over bottom of pan. Spread half of apples over crumbs. Top with jelly, then nuts, then 1/2 cup more crumbs. Place macaroons in layer over crumbs. Top with remaining apples and cover with remaining 1/2 cup cake crumbs. Bake at 450 deg. 30 minutes. Cool in refrigerator. Sprinkle almonds lightly with water, then sprinkle with sugar and toast at 350 deg. 15 to 20 minutes or until golden. Shake pan after 10 minutes to keep almonds from sticking together. Whip cream and frost cake. Sprinkle with almonds. Your ship or your recipes. 2nd in Command for Stain Empire Foreign Affairs CEO
juduzz	Posted - 2005.06.10 18:18:00 - [13] OMG NOOOOOOOO! how ebil of them and dispicible ... ----------------------------------------------
theRaptor	Posted - 2005.06.10 18:26:00 - [14] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Wow, they logged out, and then they logged back in, while you were not in system with them...that's horrible. Seriously, Nobody should be allowed to log out ever...that's what downtime is for right? Log out? Downtime? That must happen during the one hour sleep cycle. That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die. -- Ancient "Dirt" Religious figure.
SageOfMystery	Posted - 2005.06.10 18:27:00 - [15] if this is the same company of the wolves corp i fought in catch a few 2 months ago, they are very Skilled Pilots at hunting in packs of fast small ships, nothing wrong with that its a blast fun and when your done you can do this thing to log out of eve so that your ship isnt distoryed well your gone for ..well however long your gone for. if by log off and on you mean they were at a gate and you warp to it, and they have a alt there then log everyone on to kill you thats a bit diffrent but a vailed tactic none the less. Please clarify
Mac Knife	Posted - 2005.06.10 18:35:00 - [16] Originally by: SageOfMystery if this is the same company of the wolves corp i fought in catch a few 2 months ago, they are very Skilled Pilots at hunting in packs of fast small ships, nothing wrong with that its a blast fun and when your done you can do this thing to log out of eve so that your ship isnt distoryed well your gone for ..well however long your gone for. if by log off and on you mean they were at a gate and you warp to it, and they have a alt there then log everyone on to kill you thats a bit diffrent but a vailed tactic none the less. Please clarify /emote > remembers fighting Sage down in stain sighs ahhh fun times Yes it is the same corp, just different name. I know most of these guys well and they would not use log on tactics in a war.
FdD Banshee	Posted - 2005.06.10 18:39:00 - [17] Originally by: Celticjim .... but is there really a need to do the log on/off thing that I have been noticing? ... You must talk about someone else, The Wolfes that I know never did something like that. We had great fights back in the old days. Just an advice, fear them. Originally by: APOC UK The Free Space Alliance has been upset that -V- did not put up more of a fight on our behalf. Originally by: Katya Detia .. Sorry FSA..
Hellspawn01	Posted - 2005.06.10 19:03:00 - [18] Originally by: Blind Fear I certainly hope that you're not talking about The Wolves who are engaged against The Phantom Conglomerate. I'm not sure they've seen more then 5 people of a 500 man alliance undocked since the second day of the war. Nor do I believe that the wolves have managed to find an engagement of any reasonable size where they were not outnumbered at least 2:1 or worse. Nor do I believe that the wolves have ever been forced to hide for any substansial amount of time, nor be forced to log due to enemy activity. However, if you have a problem with their 'logoffs', I'm sure that you can pay them to war your corp. If you do, please remember that the undock button is in the lower left of your screen, and that at some point during said war, it might be usefully used. 500 man alliance doesnt mean 500 combat pilots. If you remove noobs, miners, traders, agent runners, you have about ~100 pilots left that can fight. Now think about some pilots dont just sit in one system and wait for some mercs to get killed/fought/whatever. Then dont forget the diffrent timezones and yes, as already mentioned, RL issues. CJ, they are a small group, and its now weekend . Lets hope all of them log on . --------------------------------------------- If any mod has any problems with my post, mail to [email protected]!
Celticjim	Posted - 2005.06.10 19:36:00 - [19] Edited by: Celticjim on 10/06/2005 19:38:18 Originally by: Blind Fear I certainly hope that you're not talking about The Wolves who are engaged against The Phantom Conglomerate. I'm not sure they've seen more then 5 people of a 500 man alliance undocked since the second day of the war. Nor do I believe that the wolves have managed to find an engagement of any reasonable size where they were not outnumbered at least 2:1 or worse. Nor do I believe that the wolves have ever been forced to hide for any substansial amount of time, nor be forced to log due to enemy activity. However, if you have a problem with their 'logoffs', I'm sure that you can pay them to war your corp. If you do, please remember that the undock button is in the lower left of your screen, and that at some point during said war, it might be usefully used. Whatever. Sometimes intent of post gets missed. Reason I quoted you Blind Fear is I have no idea what your last paragraph states. If English isn't your first language, I apologise in advance. Other than that...nothing to see here...move along Close the post down. Cheers CJ
Roger Dodger	Posted - 2005.06.10 20:15:00 - [20] There's no point to all these logging threads, nothing's going to change. Until the patch, that is. __________________ Proud member of the SinBin Fan Club
Doomsayer	Posted - 2005.06.11 05:03:00 - [21] Leave it to the most drunken member of The Wolves to make a reply I really don't understand where you are coming from Celtic. We have never logged in combat and never will. If one of our members logged during a fight (minus the occasional CTD) I would pod the lamer myself. We do not condone this act nor encourage it. We are an honourable, if somewhat, spastic corp. For instance, the other night, while outnumbered approximately 10:4, we offered to move away from the station so our enemies could undock and prepare themselves for an engagement but to no avail. We are not dumb pilots. We have killed targets right under the noses of your raven pilots and then warped off into the night. Anyways, I'm rambling and this is not meant as a derogatory attack of The Phantom Conglomerate. I would just like to know your purpose Celtic. Besides, is the Shadow Order even in TPC? Some of us do have to break for some food or a smoke occasionally, or to grab another drink. I applaud the TPC for continually coming out to fight. Granted, we are always outnumbered, but we're kind of used to that by now. If they were smart, they would use this as a training tool like FSA did. We decimated FSA, now look at them, taking on the Red Alliance!!! Time for another drink...see you Old Farts in Gelf
Saris	Posted - 2005.06.11 06:21:00 - [22] Edited by: Saris on 11/06/2005 06:21:51 We are sorry that ocassionally we log on/off we will try to master how to stay awake 23/7 as for why yo have us in your buddy list while not at war with us well thats probably to help them out and scout us seeing as how we are out numbered ~ 20:1 so I can see how others need to help them also if your not at war with us how do you know if we are logging do to combat or because we dont feel like camping in 10 ravens with a few frigs. We are not nor have been scared of a fight we have engaged them many times outnumbered and out gunned. So why then would we log off in combat. As for TPC they have engaged us many times more then most alliances and corps. They are pleasent always in local minus the occasional jab but it is all in good fun. and they dont use lame logging tatics. Though the warp core stabbed inteceptors are a bit annoying. All and all been a fun war and hope to get some more action in.
Terrorv1z	Posted - 2005.06.11 09:05:00 - [23] Edited by: Terrorv1z on 11/06/2005 09:07:50 Edited by: Terrorv1z on 11/06/2005 09:05:28 I'm UK based & since the start of the war I've seen a steady battle all afternoon & evening against a core of the wolves. Lots of 1v1, 2v2 & fleet battles and not much log-on log-off issues that couldn't be put down to CTD. Personally I'm having a great time fighting the Wolves - no flaming or smacktalk with good respect shown by both sides. Especially good to see no major gate camps by long range sniperships. Makes for great fights with minimal lag (to see what the hell is going on :P) Keep it up both sides & lets just enjoy ourselves.
TEK9	Posted - 2005.06.11 10:18:00 - [24] Celtic This has got to be one of the most bizarre posts on the forums. Anyone who has ever fought with or against the Wolves or who knows any of them personally will tell you that they do not log during combat. I appreciate that when you are fighting against them it may feel a little as though they are super-human but alas even Wolves have to eat, sleep, fornicate and go to the bathroom (not necessarily in that order or at the same time !!). I really think you owe them a bit of an apology mate.
Hellspawn01	Posted - 2005.06.11 12:38:00 - [25] Originally by: Celticjim I appreciate the fact you folks are Mercs, and get paid to kill regardless of target, but is there really a need to do the log on/off thing that I have been noticing? He was pointing to the low member amounts logged in during the week which come and go, not log off in combat. --------------------------------------------- If any mod has any problems with my post, mail to [email protected]!
TEK9	Posted - 2005.06.11 13:55:00 - [26] Originally by: Hellspawn01 Originally by: Celticjim I appreciate the fact you folks are Mercs, and get paid to kill regardless of target, but is there really a need to do the log on/off thing that I have been noticing? He was pointing to the low member amounts logged in during the week which come and go, not log off in combat. Lol. So let me get this right. His problem is that there aren't lots of Wolves logged on during the week and that those that do log on don't stay for very long. Mmmmm. Is this a loneliness issue ? How can anyone seriously complain that the members of the opposing Corp have real lives too ? This may not be the right place to post, but I have a confession to make. This morning I engaged an enemy, but after realising I was outgunned and out numbered I managed to escape their excellent ambush. About 10 or 15 minutes later I had to look after my kids whilst my wife went shopping, so I logged off . I'd like to apologise to the whole Eve community and particularly Celtic for not staying on longer and risking a vicious attack from my wife (who is far more frightening than any enemy!!) followed by a speedy divorce. Nah. To be honest I still don't understand what the Wolves have actually supposed to have done wrong. Maybe I'm just plain dumb.
Doomsayer	Posted - 2005.06.11 14:30:00 - [27] Originally by: Hellspawn01 Originally by: Celticjim I appreciate the fact you folks are Mercs, and get paid to kill regardless of target, but is there really a need to do the log on/off thing that I have been noticing? He was pointing to the low member amounts logged in during the week which come and go, not log off in combat. I must not be reading the same quote you are? Because in my warped view i see that little sentence that says "is there really a need to do the log on/off thing that I have been noticing?" I too wish I could pull a completely different meaning out of a painfully simple and obvious statement. Maybe you and your corpmates would like to witness how we fight firsthand Hellspawn?
Hellspawn01	Posted - 2005.06.11 15:03:00 - [28] Originally by: Doomsayer Originally by: Hellspawn01 Originally by: Celticjim I appreciate the fact you folks are Mercs, and get paid to kill regardless of target, but is there really a need to do the log on/off thing that I have been noticing? He was pointing to the low member amounts logged in during the week which come and go, not log off in combat. I must not be reading the same quote you are? Because in my warped view i see that little sentence that says "is there really a need to do the log on/off thing that I have been noticing?" I too wish I could pull a completely different meaning out of a painfully simple and obvious statement. Maybe you and your corpmates would like to witness how we fight firsthand Hellspawn? He didnt say Log off tactic in his post which some of you might read. About how to fight, I¦m sure you know how to do that --------------------------------------------- If any mod has any problems with my post, mail to [email protected]!
Johnny Johnny	Posted - 2005.06.11 15:38:00 - [29] Yarrr! ------------- Johnny Johnny ItÆs not pirating! ItÆs non-consensual target practice.
Celticjim	Posted - 2005.06.11 16:07:00 - [30] Edited by: Celticjim on 11/06/2005 16:08:03 Geebus...didn't really mean to take this post this far. This will be my last comment about this thread. Re:Logon/Logoff - Probably should have clarified better. Little icon boxes of people logging on/off were showing quite frequently one evening Mountain Standard Time. I think it was Thursday nite. If there were true connectivity problems, then that was all that was needed to be said. Other than that, I just brought it to attention. Re:Interest in Old Farts. I used to be CEO of that Corp after Greyhound(original) left. We went through some things that managed to completely strengthen bonds and I will always consider them good friends. It is a different corp now than it was before, but they are still good people. Truth be known, if you see me in system with them and you, then yup, I probably am scouting for them. Re:Makeup of the OF. I think you guys already know the answer to this one. When in Stain, and their exodus from Stain many moons ago, I would be hard pressed to find anyone(with a few exceptions I am certain) with a bad word about them. If what happened then, is still holding true now, there should be no smack, a willingness to fight from those who can, and no lame tactics. Re:OF being perma docked. He he..I kind of get a chuckle from this one. What did you expect? Some of them have less than a 100,000 sp's in gunnery, and yet millions in mining, refining, etc. Can you honestly expect them to come out and fight? There is a fine line between stupidity and honour. For some of these guys, to engage you with some of their characters would be absolute stupidity. Here's a hint, we've learned from before not to put all our eggs into one basket. Re:My knowledge of the Wolves. Other than the fact they are a Merc corp, I don't know a bloody thing about them. Other than a few hastily put together posts the last bit, I have been perusing the boards rather infrequently until the last couple of days. Re:Black Widow chap and Foundation being miners / Industrialists. Does this even have to be addressed? This post is sonot about Foundation. Well. That should about wrap it up for me. The one thing this post has taught me is to construct argument a little more cohesively and coherently and not try to scribble something down from work. Cheers CJ

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