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Scynner
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.04 16:43:00 -
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I know there are different situations but i'm just looking for broad generalizations.
Say I'm mining in .4 space. Do people typically cloak in on you, web/scramble and then start pounding away? What is the counter to that?
I'm really new and still havent gone through the career agents so I'm not even sure on certain terminology. I was just wondering if people can explain some of the common pvp set ups and counters. |
Liam Inkuras
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
119
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Posted - 2013.01.04 16:51:00 -
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They are going to warp in, scram, web, and start laying in the hurt. If you are in a mining barge, you will die  . |
Frank Millar
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Posted - 2013.01.04 16:53:00 -
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Always be aligned to a celestial or station, so you can warp off the moment someone enters grid or decloaks.
Watch local chat (they might not say anything, but you see them right there).
Use your directional scanner, set it for max range and to 360 degrees. Spam the scan button and haul ass the moment you see probes and/or ships pop up.
You might still get caught, but such is life in EvE. |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
Damu'Khonde
556
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Posted - 2013.01.04 17:00:00 -
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You do have some time. If you're in a belt, you will see them warping in. Even if they are in a cloaky ship, they'll have a sensor recalibration delay (X seconds after decloating they cannot lock anything) unless it's a stealth bomber.
You can use the directional scanner and local chat to figure out who is nearby, and try to find a quiet, out of the way system, but the danger will still exist. You can probably get away with this in a Venture because it can align and warp out very quickly. Mining barges,however, are extremely slow to align and you'll have to stay aligned to something while you're mining or you're likely to get scrambled before you can get out.
However, the standard belt ore in lowsec is rather poor - not really any better than hisec, so mining in the 'normal' lowsec belts is more or less a waste. However, with the probing system you can find gravimetric signatures (hidden asteroid belts) that will have extremely valuable 0.0 ores. If you teach yourself to probe you can find these and mine them out. Furthermore, since they need to be probed out, it's harder for any random pirate passing through to kill you (though it can still happen, they just need to probe the site out themselves) |
Scynner
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.04 17:05:00 -
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So are the people that are looking for trouble usually flying a battleship? |
Eternal Montage
Frontier Explorer's League
Sadistica Alliance
66
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Posted - 2013.01.04 17:07:00 -
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D scan and nano fiber internal structures are your best defense. Screw warp core stabs, they suck imo.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=169738 |
Zoe Athame
Lowddit
204
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Posted - 2013.01.04 17:19:00 -
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Scynner wrote:So are the people that are looking for trouble/action usually flying a battleship?
Not at all.
Newer pilots will generally fly cheaper frigs/dessies while more experienced players may favor T3s and BCs. Ship type doesn't really matter in your case though since even a noob ship could tackle and kill a defenseless miner. |
Zanzbar
Legion of Tears
102
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Posted - 2013.01.04 17:27:00 -
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Most people don't fly a battleship around lowsec. They are slow align for warp, slow to lock targets, and easy to lock onto because of their size. If you do see one they are most likely there as heavy dps for a gang of faster ships such as battlecruisers, and t2 /t3 cruisers. You don't find many frigates, destroyers, or t1 cruisers as they don't have the tank to survive the wrath of any gate or station guns should they commit a criminal act.
Worst case you run into a sensor boosted heavy interdictor on the gate, get warp disrupted in 2-3 seconds, get webed soon after by his buddies in battlecruisrs with microwarpdrives, and are stuck praying your tank hold up against whatever supporting dps they have on your now very slow trek back to the gate. That is if the gate leads back to highsec, if its more lowsec you better hope they have all agroed you and can't follow you through. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
679
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Posted - 2013.01.04 18:26:00 -
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Scynner wrote:So are the people that are looking for trouble/action usually flying a battleship?
Nah, people who prey on barges use little tackle frigates. Fancy expensive T2s with gold ammo is the norm. Expect to see a lot of Wolfs in lowsec and nullsec gate camps have come to be pretty much dominated by guys in Falcons lately. They know that barge can't fight back for crap so they like to show off how "leet" they are with the this double-whammy of "it's just a frigate" and "and it still cost 50,000,000ISK suckah"
Of course when that Marauder decloaks 50km away from your bait ship and alphas them to dust in one salvo... oh the tears of poetic justice are sweet.
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Merouk Baas
393
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Posted - 2013.01.04 18:28:00 -
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In high-sec, group of 6-8 destroyers with cheap all damage fittings can take out a barge before Concord comes. Their total loss = 10 million, the barge = 30+ million.
Lowsec, you don't see many solo people, really. Solo, I'd bet on battlecruiser (Hurricane is popular), but you usually see small or large groups.
Large groups can be anything from frigate roam to a serious bigger ship fleet. Watch for a spike in the number of people in local, and bug out as soon as you see it. You only have a few seconds between them entering and them finding you in that belt.
Small groups are typically 2-5 with tackler, ewar, and DPS ships of various kinds, a lot of times T2 hulls. They can probe you out, or even ship scanner, and will just warp in, tackle, and kill you fast. A lot of the T2 ships are trouble, as they can tackle you from 40+ km, can cloak, and/or can install a serious tank (not that they'll need it if you're in a barge).
Latest fad: miners taking Venture frigates into lowsec to mine. Ship has ok ore hold, ok mining throughput, is fast to align and escape (fit MWD), and if you lose it, it's less than 1 mil ISK loss. Annoys the local pirates to no end. |
Kane the Black
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
28
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Posted - 2013.01.04 23:50:00 -
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Firstly, welcome to EVE. As a budding pirate, I must say I applaud your courage to go into lowsec early in your EVE career.  Most of the info given by the previous posters you should take into consideration. I come across Ventures quite often, but I get the feeling miners do not really understand the nature of their newly introduced ship. Even though it has a natural +2 warp strength (meaning it is more difficult to scramble and prevent the Venture from warping away), this does not want to say the average pirate can blow it up in a matter of seconds. How come? Simple. These strange fellows afk mine in lowsec. Don't do it.
Fly safe. o/
Yarr!! |
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
275
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Posted - 2013.01.04 23:58:00 -
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Royal Amarr Institute [RIN] from 2007.07.22 18:26 to this day
Really? And then those questions in EVE New Citizens? Mining in low? |
Scynner
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.01.05 00:36:00 -
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Flurk Hellbron wrote:Royal Amarr Institute [RIN] from 2007.07.22 18:26 to this day
Really? And then those questions in EVE New Citizens? Mining in low?
I played for a month on a different account. I just resubbed but for whatever reason it resubbed an old trial account of 5 years ago. This account has nothing so I got a support ticket to try and get the proper account subbed. |
CC Avalos
0033 Trading Corp
0
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Posted - 2013.01.05 03:31:00 -
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Frank Millar wrote:Always be aligned to a celestial or station, so you can warp off the moment someone enters grid or decloaks.
Watch local chat (they might not say anything, but you see them right there).
Use your directional scanner, set it for max range and to 360 degrees. Spam the scan button and haul ass the moment you see probes and/or ships pop up.
You might still get caught, but such is life in EvE.
This is good advice! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Damu'Khonde
2294
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Posted - 2013.01.06 02:08:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote:Even if they are in a cloaky ship, they'll have a sensor recalibration delay (X seconds after decloating they cannot lock anything) unless it's a stealth bomber.
Or a black ops battleship that was there the whole time.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Damu'Khonde
2294
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Posted - 2013.01.06 02:10:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Of course when that Marauder decloaks 50km away from your bait ship and alphas them to dust in one salvo... oh the tears of poetic justice are sweet.
Marauders? In my PvP?
A Marauder decloaking would have to wait 30 seconds after decloaking before it can actually fire at you. Why would you ever want to go through that?
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
6144
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Posted - 2013.01.06 06:21:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Of course when that Marauder decloaks 50km away from your bait ship and alphas them to dust in one salvo... oh the tears of poetic justice are sweet.
Marauders? In my PvP? A Marauder decloaking would have to wait 30 seconds after decloaking before it can actually fire at you. Why would you ever want to go through that?
No one expects the marauder...
"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
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