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Uther Doull
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Posted - 2005.06.13 14:44:00 -
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i have been wondering for a while if it would be possible to make keybinds to use in eve, for example bind keypad + to f1 through f8 so you could (de)activate all guns at the same time
i'm pretty sure this is possible outside eve because there are programs that let you remap keys on your keyboard, but i'm wondering if this is allowed in eve and if they would even be able to notice you doing this
i know macro's are not allowed but this idea wouldn't be a macro technically, because you still have to switch your guns on and of if you switch target or after they reload, except that you do it with 1 button instead of 8
managing your guns on top of mid's and lows under stress in battle coupled with lag really is a pain. and i usually 'miss' one or 2 guns when pressing f1, f2, f3.. to fast and if i can activate and deactivate all my guns with 1 button that should help a lot
unless it's clearly forbidden to do so i think i'm gonna look in to this.
so do any of you do this already or something similar? is it illegal?
and finally, do you think it should be a feature in eve?
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Taz Devlin
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Posted - 2005.06.13 14:54:00 -
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No idea and I couldn't care less tbh as I prefer to micromanage my modules.
A "reload all" button would rule though.
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Uther Doull
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Posted - 2005.06.13 15:00:00 -
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true, reload all would be much more usefull, but ofcourse wouldn't really be possible to do except as an ingame feature
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2005.06.13 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Steele on 13/06/2005 15:24:30
 Originally by: Uther Doull
i'm pretty sure this is possible outside eve because there are programs that let you remap keys on your keyboard, but i'm wondering if this is allowed in eve and if they would even be able to notice you doing this
Im pretty sure its not allowed as it says using 3rd party programs is illegal with eve in the EULA. Originally by: EULA
7A(3) You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
I think that pretty much sums it up sorry dude 
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Uther Doull
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Posted - 2005.06.13 15:31:00 -
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well, as far as i can see in the eula
Originally by: "EULA"
7. CONDUCT
(3) You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
it just mentions acquisition of items/isk etc
and i don't think the 3rd party software covers it either...
the best way to describe my idea would be something like a ghetto ZBoard (and not insanely overpriced either) with pre programmed keys to do various tasks
although only things i can think of of the top of my head are binding groups of modules to 1 key (kinda like in mechwarrior or freelancer, but on a os/hardware level by remapping keyboard keys)
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2005.06.13 15:38:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Steele on 13/06/2005 15:38:35
I guess thats your best hope to be honest im not sure now that i think about it, the ammount of people who use teamspeak and all. Edit: but i suppose thats not helping you gain isk just communicate without needing olimpic typing skills.
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Rich Head
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Posted - 2005.06.13 16:28:00 -
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well, I know u can get banned for macro mining, so surely macro gun use would result in the same.
Afterall, you make isk using your guns right?
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Uther Doull
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Posted - 2005.06.13 17:23:00 -
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well npcing usually doesn't have that stress factor that pvp has, also i usually don't lag while ratting, it's the large scale pvp and the lag it causes that makes me want this feature
but i guess that itcould be considered an unfair advantage if you have it and others don't
i guess i'll leave it the way it is... woudl be a nice ingame feature to have though
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2005.06.13 18:08:00 -
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I've been wanting a reload-all feature for a long time. I mean there would clearly be some problems, like what to do if you have more than one turret/launcher loaded with the same ammo and you don't have enough ammo in the hold to reload all of them (do you fill one gun and then fill up the other one as much as possible? Or do you try to distribute the ammo evenly?) so I figure it would only work if there were enough ammo to fill everything up. But still, it would be really good. Reloading eight weapons, one at a time, is a pain in the ass and a waste of valuable time.
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Gunstar Zero
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Posted - 2005.06.13 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: Gunstar Zero on 13/06/2005 18:13:26
Saitek Gamers keyboard can help you with some of that.
Come with a 'Command Pad' which allows you to assign multiple keypresses to each of the 9 buttons (3 rows of 3)
So you can have 'F1-F8' on one, EW on on another, Reppers / Boosters etc - whatever you want.
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http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?product_id=2335&category_id=187&manufacturer_id=0#
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Kin'Tarr
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Posted - 2005.06.13 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Kin''Tarr on 13/06/2005 18:22:36
A well thought out idea, but it would only give snipers the advantage of hitting a single target , and i certainly dont want to see Eve become a macro land like WoW.
All those macros for pvp completely ruined the gameplay as the macros literally fought your battles for you, let alone the pvp itself.
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Drahcir Nasom
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Posted - 2005.06.13 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Uther Doull
managing your guns on top of mid's and lows under stress in battle coupled with lag really is a pain. and i usually 'miss' one or 2 guns when pressing f1, f2, f3.. to fast and if i can activate and deactivate all my guns with 1 button that should help a lot
Why would you want to activate all your guns at once anyway? I used to do that, but then I noticed that if multiple weapons of the same type strike the same target at the same time, the game only registers one hit. Now I stagger the activation of my weapons so that where possible they don't hit at the same time, and now I am killing rats a lot faster than before.
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Uther Doull
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Posted - 2005.06.14 07:28:00 -
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Originally by: Drahcir Nasom
Why would you want to activate all your guns at once anyway? I used to do that, but then I noticed that if multiple weapons of the same type strike the same target at the same time, the game only registers one hit. Now I stagger the activation of my weapons so that where possible they don't hit at the same time, and now I am killing rats a lot faster than before.
Drahcir
the game still registers them, but they don't show up in the onscreen message box, and it's been know that the log isn't always complete either
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Ramov Tinoga
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Posted - 2005.06.14 07:53:00 -
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You could always glue a pencil to your first 8 F-keys. 
As I'm coming from Earth & Beyond, I got used to press "F" to activate all equipped weapons (to the single target I had locked).
Firing broadsides is less stressful (especially with much [client side] lag when after a minute you realize that half of your weapons didn't even activate). 
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.06.14 11:47:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 14/06/2005 11:49:38
Originally by: Uther Doull
Originally by: Drahcir Nasom
Why would you want to activate all your guns at once anyway? I used to do that, but then I noticed that if multiple weapons of the same type strike the same target at the same time, the game only registers one hit. Now I stagger the activation of my weapons so that where possible they don't hit at the same time, and now I am killing rats a lot faster than before.
Drahcir
the game still registers them, but they don't show up in the onscreen message box, and it's been know that the log isn't always complete either
The solution would seem to be to change the messageperiod in the prefs.ini file in your Eve cache folder to 1 instead of 200. I think that means the hit messages would barely show up on the screen but they would all be in the log.
EDIT: And to the original poster, using macros are a bannable offence. Specifically, using any third party software or hrdware to give you a direct advantage in Eve over other players is a bannable offence. When it comes down to it, this doesn't mean teamspeak and such are banned. It just means that if you can't normally hit F1-8 all at once, don't go making a macro that can do it. In reality, a user-activated attended-macro cannot be detected. So go ahead and do it but I warn you that a permanant ban will be issued if you're ever caught using a macro that gives you an unfair advantage.
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Dakath
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Posted - 2005.06.14 12:01:00 -
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Without using macros it is quite easy to hit F1-F4 with the 4 fingers of your left hand and then do the same for F5-F8. If you are coordinated enough (practice) you can simultaneously use your mouse with the right hand to activate other modules.
Alternatively you could use your right hand for the F1-F8 keys and left for ctrl, alt, shift, whatever.
Not as fast as a macro, but not a bannable offence either. I don't use macros and don't advise anyone to do so.
A "reload all" button would be a GREAT feature and make me think nice thoughts about the devs for a month or two. 
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Omatje
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Posted - 2005.06.14 12:40:00 -
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Edited by: Omatje on 14/06/2005 12:46:34
Originally by: Dakath
Without using macros it is quite easy to hit F1-F4 with the 4 fingers of your left hand and then do the same for F5-F8. If you are coordinated enough (practice) you can simultaneously use your mouse with the right hand to activate other modules.
Although i am used to play FPS games, this last part allways ends up with me dragging all modules around
Ow and for the F1-F8: just yank your forearm over the F-keys, worked better for me then trying to quicly push all them buttons
note: don't use this when you equip remote armo/shield transfers
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