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Lifewire
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Posted - 2005.06.14 01:30:00 -
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As we all know CCP stated thousands of times that a player can log of whenever he wants and it is no exploit to log of - correct?
So if it is NO EXPLOIT to log of in combat...how about a tanked BS that instaganks a hauler in a 1.0 belt...and logs of??? As CCP stated so often "a player can log of at any time" how can it be a exploit to log of???
Hm, very confusing...
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Stormfront
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Posted - 2005.06.14 01:50:00 -
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Dunno if its illegal to do that, but the flag will remain and when you log back on, Concord will gank you.
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Kodos
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Posted - 2005.06.14 02:02:00 -
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Not if you log back on 20mins later, as that is how long the flag lasts for. No difference between waiting at SS or waiting logged off (ship dissapears in SS).
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.06.14 03:47:00 -
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Edited by: theRaptor on 14/06/2005 03:47:28
 Originally by: Kodos
Not if you log back on 20mins later, as that is how long the flag lasts for. No difference between waiting at SS or waiting logged off (ship dissapears in SS).
It is an exploit to avoid CONCORD in high security. No matter what you do, your ship *has* to die.
The problem isn't logging off. Its not dying when you log back on.
That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.06.14 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kodos
Not if you log back on 20mins later, as that is how long the flag lasts for. No difference between waiting at SS or waiting logged off (ship dissapears in SS).
I believe the timer pauses or resets when you're logged off. So that won't help.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2005.06.14 07:32:00 -
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The timer is supposed to reset when you log off. Which means you have to lose your ship when you commit a crime in concord protected space. I would guess that not doing so could be considered an exploit.
So in other words, its not logging off that is the exploit, its not losing your ship. Log off all you want, so long as you eventually end up in a pod.
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siim
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Posted - 2005.06.14 07:45:00 -
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You can avoid getting pwnd by concord in 1,0
I remember using a kestrel and pwning a bantam at kisogo belt  
then just warp from planet to planet and moon to moon and the concord wont catch you 
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2005.06.14 07:56:00 -
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Dont concord insta appear and warp scramble u?
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2005.06.14 08:25:00 -
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Edited by: Lifewire on 14/06/2005 08:29:28
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It is an exploit to avoid CONCORD in high security. No matter what you do, your ship *has* to die
I know, i know...but how comes? CCP stated that log of in combat is no exploit! 2 rules that dont fit to each other 
I have several GM-mails where those GM state that "a player is allowed to log of at any time...blabla".
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Dont concord insta appear and warp scramble u?
Yeah...they like to do this. But being aligned to a 150 AU safespot can really help...and Concords are not that fast gankers as people expect Concord to be. A good tank can survive it. Having 2-3 Ibis attacking before also confuses Concord very much. Concord is not able to fight more than 5 targets same time...lol
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The timer is supposed to reset when you log off
sure, sure...but after next downtime you are clear for your next gank 
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Typherin laidai
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Posted - 2005.06.14 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Lifewire
Edited by: Lifewire on 14/06/2005 08:29:28
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It is an exploit to avoid CONCORD in high security. No matter what you do, your ship *has* to die
I know, i know...but how comes? CCP stated that log of in combat is no exploit! 2 rules that dont fit to each other
I have several GM-mails where those GM state that "a player is allowed to log of at any time...blabla".
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Dont concord insta appear and warp scramble u?
Yeah...they like to do this. But being aligned to a 150 AU safespot can really help...and Concords are not that fast gankers as people expect Concord to be. A good tank can survive it. Having 2-3 Ibis attacking before also confuses Concord very much. Concord is not able to fight more than 5 targets same time...lol
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The timer is supposed to reset when you log off
sure, sure...but after next downtime you are clear for your next gank
Sure... but your also 1 petition away from a ban 
Typherin Care Negotitation Expert level 5
Originally by: Eris Discordia
*gives Typherin some loving*
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2005.06.14 08:39:00 -
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Sure... but your also 1 petition away from a ban
Am i??? I would send the GM exactly what the GM wrote me:"a player is allowed to log of at any time...blabla" 
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2005.06.14 08:42:00 -
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Ah, I see our great plan to confuse everyone is working. Soon you will all be our slaves. 
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.06.14 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler
Ah, I see our great plan to confuse everyone is working. Soon you will all be our slaves.
Must...bring...Wrangler...cAKe...and...chocolate...milk...
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.06.14 08:49:00 -
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Only one way to find out LifeWire :D
Gonna risk it? ;)
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.06.14 08:55:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 14/06/2005 08:56:04
To be fair, CCP can't make you stay online and play - but the new 30 minute log-off timer will fix the situation that is being discussed here.
If Concord currently forget about you after DT, that is CCP's fault.
CCP have stated countless times that you can log off whenever you want.
They also said it is an exploit not to die to Concord.
However, if Concord fail to kill you because they have a bad memory, who's fault is that?
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.06.14 08:58:00 -
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Hang on.
Wrangler has been here.
Discussing Exploits = bye bye thread.
Thread is still here...
Guess you are fine Lifewire, have a blast
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2005.06.14 09:08:00 -
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To be fair, CCP can't make you stay online and play - but the new 30 minute log-off timer will fix the situation that is being discussed here
I just want to make sure that a CCP checks their rules...how can log off be an exploit for pirates and not be for carebears? A carebear logs of in battle and tanks for example our 4 friggis for 2 minutes and then disapears - poff. And a pirate logs of, tanks Concord for 2 minutes...and poff...disapears. How can the one be an exploit and the other not? CCP should sort this out or finally fix the whole problem with a working game mechanism.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.06.14 09:11:00 -
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In one case, you trigger an NPC responce. Evading NPCs = generally considered to be an exploit, especially in 1.0
Tried it yet, btw?
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2005.06.14 09:15:00 -
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In one case, you trigger an NPC responce. Evading NPCs = generally considered to be an exploit, especially in 1.0
Oh my god - then log of in belt with rats is an exploit!!!
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.06.14 09:19:00 -
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Edited by: Discorporation on 14/06/2005 09:19:47
there are rats in 1.0 belts?
._.
Also, this topic is silly. Not dying to concord in 1.0 will get you banned no matter what justification or arguments you use :)
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.06.14 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
Only one way to find out LifeWire :D
Gonna risk it? ;)
no for god sake, he will probably sent me
TS:
"Nafri fit 8 smartbombs, we need you in yulai"
"mh, okay, but I will only play about 30mins"
"yeah thats perfect"
20mins later in yulai
"come to Kemerk gate at 15km"
"ok, in warp. Uh lots of indies here"
"FIRE"
"wtf?"
"NAFRI SAID FIRE"
"ieek, *******, dont abuse me for smartbombing"
"Log out"
"wtf, going to pod you when I survive this"
"ohh, I see, your dead. Well bad plan then"
"thx, have -4.3 now"
"happy hunting"
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2005.06.14 09:25:00 -
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Edited by: Lifewire on 14/06/2005 09:28:38
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there are rats in 1.0 belts?
0.9 for example, how are these little bugger NPCs called there??? You did post that you are not allowed to log of if you caused a NPC action, Dissi.
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no for god sake, he will probably sent me
Nah, wonŠt send you. And a aligned Tempest would do this job better than a smartbomber. We will never log of anyway...but this question to CCP is simply funny
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.06.14 11:10:00 -
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Lifewire are you really this stupid or are you just acting? 
Other people and I have already said it. Logging off is not an exploit. Somehow avoiding CONCORD in high sec is the exploit. You could warp to the gate and jump to low sec, it would still be an exploit. That doesn't mean people can't warp to gates and jump to low sec when CONCORD isn't trying to kill them.
And yes I know for a fact that it is possible to avoid CONCORD. It is still an exploit.
That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2005.06.14 11:16:00 -
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No i am not stupid...i wouldnt avoid concord...i would log of (which is no exploit) The log of timer is 2 minutes...i would survive this. Concord would not try to attack me 1 day later...so: how do i avoid Concord if Concord does not attack me next day??? So who is stupid??? Maybe CCPs rules?
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kessah
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Posted - 2005.06.14 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri
Originally by: Discorporation
Only one way to find out LifeWire :D
Gonna risk it? ;)
no for god sake, he will probably sent me
TS:
"Nafri fit 8 smartbombs, we need you in yulai"
"mh, okay, but I will only play about 30mins"
"yeah thats perfect"
20mins later in yulai
"come to Kemerk gate at 15km"
"ok, in warp. Uh lots of indies here"
"FIRE"
"wtf?"
"NAFRI SAID FIRE"
"ieek, *******, dont abuse me for smartbombing"
"Log out"
"wtf, going to pod you when I survive this"
"ohh, I see, your dead. Well bad plan then"
"thx, have -4.3 now"
"happy hunting"
rofl
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.06.14 15:11:00 -
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Dum de dum.
Just found this...
Originally by: CCP
If you commit an act of aggression and trigger the wrath of CONCORD then you had better run if you donŠt want to risk losing your ship. Whether the aggression was intended or not, when CONCORD arrive on the scene they will exercise their well known tactic of shooting first... and eating space donuts later.
Tra la la le la.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2005.06.14 16:21:00 -
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If you commit an act of aggression and trigger the wrath of CONCORD then you had better run if you donŠt want to risk losing your ship.
So CCP wants us to run??? Avoiding Concord on the other hand is not allowed. What a mess. If CCP wants to be professional then there shoul be clear rules.
So this is all very confusing. Log of is not an exploit and i should "run" when Concord is angry on me...
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Oveur
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Posted - 2005.06.14 16:25:00 -
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Lets keep this discussion in one place please.
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