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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
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Posted - 2013.01.06 07:39:00 -
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While doing a mission for the Empire I took the time to have my camera drones capture a few images of the unbelievable sights that I saw. It troubles me that the rogue drone problem is not taken more seriously, as it's pretty clear that they are capable of far more than we thought before. To get a sense of scale, here, yes that's a battleship in the foreground.
Recon One
They had built this... thing... around an old acceleration gate. What was it? I don't know, but it was terrifyingly huge.
Recon Two
Don't ask how, but I managed to blow that thing up. The idea of letting it continue existing was unacceptable. After using the gate I found myself faced with another massive drone structure...
Recon Three
Again, that's a battleship in the center. I recognized the drone bunkers, as I had seen plenty of those before... but what is that thing?
Recon Four
Let's be perfectly clear - the structure was at least as large as any of our human made space stations. And here it was, in the middle of nowhere. No nearby moons or planets, no obvious resource base. Where did they get the materials? Drones have never been witnessed mining or setting up planetary colonies. Is it recycled scrap? Debris? And if that's the case, how many human ships and buildings did they devour to make this monstrosity?
Recon Five
And for those of you who have yet to see just how dangerous these rogue drones could be... that is a drone battleship. Notice how much it looks almost exactly like a Dominix? Either they still carry some kind of residual memory from their creators and building ships in their image, or they're actually capturing ships intact and turning them into rogue drone ships.
Recon Six
That, I think, is the most terrifying possibility of all. Because if that's the case, what happened to the human crew? We're they killed? Recycled? Was the iron in their blood dissolved to make drone goo?
Most disturbing of all is the lack of media coverage that the rogue drone threat receives. Let's be honest: We know more about the Jovians than we do about the rogue drones. And yes, the Sleeper drones are far more dangerous (for now), but they have shown no interest in leaving wormhole space. Yet rogue drones are everywhere. They keep turning up in every system in New Eden, usually in small numbers, but you can see here just how out of control they can become. They don't play favorites, they don't have a side: All of humanity seems to be their enemy. They don't communicate and we have no way of knowing what it is they want. All we know is that they attack every human they see and they don't seem keen on taking prisoners.
Logically, the four nations would consider these viral horrors to be the greatest threat to New Eden - yet for the most part they are simply dismissed as minor pests. Hopefully these photos will wake up a few of our politicians & admirals from their complacency.
Those gigantic... things... were not random. Alien and terrifying, yes, but they obviously had a purpose. There is no doubt many more of them out there and we still have no idea what any of it is for. It is pretty obvious that they not only have evolved but that they also have some kind of plan. I don't believe that this is something New Eden can continue to ignore forever. EvE Forum Bingo |
Bastian Valoron
Gallente Independent Progressive Alternative
59
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Posted - 2013.01.07 00:10:00 -
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Let me first make it clear that it is important for people to pay attention to matters of public interest. The tendency of participation by the citizens in communal affairs can be said to be one of the most delightful phenomena in any modern democratic society. However, although active citizenship as such should be encouraged, inducement of public panic seldom leads to anything valuable.
To me it seems quite strongly that the footage kindly provided by Mlle Luftschreck contains mostly naturally occurring, albeit curious rock and dust arrangements. The few broken drones which are identifiable from the images are hardly a source for concern. At this point, only one conclusion seems obvious - we have had a false alarm. It is safe to heave a sigh of relief and concur with the authorities: according to all the available evidence, the rogue drone situation is under control.
Of course, it is always wise to report any potential threats one might encounter during one's travels to the authorities - this is usually the best way to get ahead of the problems and nip them in the bud. Maybe this would have been the right course of action in this case as well, and undoubtedly a good option to keep in mind for anyone under unusual circumstances. |
Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
424
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Posted - 2013.01.07 02:41:00 -
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Bastian Valoron wrote:Let me first make it clear that it is important for people to pay attention to matters of public interest. The tendency of participation by the citizens in communal affairs can be said to be one of the most delightful phenomena in any modern democratic society. However, although active citizenship as such should be encouraged, inducement of public panic seldom leads to anything valuable.
To me it seems quite strongly that the footage kindly provided by Mlle Luftschreck contains mostly naturally occurring, albeit curious rock and dust arrangements. The few broken drones which are identifiable from the images are hardly a source for concern. At this point, only one conclusion seems obvious - we have had a false alarm. It is safe to heave a sigh of relief and concur with the authorities: according to all the available evidence, the rogue drone situation is under control.
Of course, it is always wise to report any potential threats one might encounter during one's travels to the authorities - this is usually the best way to get ahead of the problems and nip them in the bud. Maybe this would have been the right course of action in this case as well, and undoubtedly a good option to keep in mind for anyone under unusual circumstances.
Sir.
You take us for fools. We are not. |
Evi Polevhia
N.E.R.O. Inc.
2
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Posted - 2013.01.07 03:10:00 -
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Reminds me of my time in the Drone Lands. No matter what people say, you cannot own Soverignty in those lands. Merely exist alongside the Rogue Drones. |
Kalanaja
Dog Nation United PNG Associates
24
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Posted - 2013.01.07 03:30:00 -
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Exist and kill them. Or be killed. |
Unit XS365BT
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
87
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Posted - 2013.01.07 05:21:00 -
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Pilot Valoron. Do not underestimate the tenacity of hive Alvus or it's creations. To do so would be a grave error.
While the structures that are shown are, most certainly, of Rogue Drone origin, we would hasten to note that they are easily destroyed by capsuleer vessels. Such tasks are often desginated to capsuleer pilots by corporations and governmental bodies across the cluster.
At this time Hive Alvus is of little threat to the empires. However, we have noted a recent evolution in their combat methodology and drone force disposition, with the addition of apparently sentient and aggressive command drones.
We continue to monitor this situation.
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Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
3014
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Posted - 2013.01.07 11:26:00 -
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The entire situation with the drones is unacceptable. But the problem wild drones are a philosophical and political one. Some questions need to be asked:
*What is the measure of intelligent life? Do the drones qualify? Their behaviour has evolved substantially from their origins, and becomes increasingly clear that they are very clearly not simply dumb self replicators. If they don't qualify, then why not?
*Do the drones deserve to be treated as more then malfunctioning tools? Should we be trying to communicate or negotiate with them? Does our position as the drone's creators give us the right to destroy them?
We view the drones as a threat, as clearly unintelligent, and as nothing more then broken tools. I would challenge that assertion with a line of text transmitted from one of the wild drones to a capsuleer ship as it destroyed their installation: Why do you hate me?
We have succeeded in creating life, albeit not in our own image. We have a responsibility to that life to be more to them then a force dedicated to their destruction. The rogue drones know hate, they understand the concept, how unlikely is it that they don't also know fear? Hope? Love?
Does our right to 'self defense' include the eradication of the only other intelligence our species has ever discovered in the universe? If the Wild Drones had been discovered instead of created, would we feel the same as we do now, or would we have tried to peacefully coexist with them? They are clearly capable of understanding our language, and have communicated with us before.
The Drone situation is a tragedy, not just for those killed by the drones, but for those drones killed by us. Our relationship with them is one of fear and mistrust, and make no mistake, they have just as much, if not more reason to fear us, then we do fear them. With our human-centric worldview, we have overlooked what could be humanity's greatest asset to us. We have relegated them to the territory of 'thing,' a broken tool to be stopped before it hurts anyone. Less even then a wild animal. What gives us the right? Where do we get off on our moral superiority, that we are able to casually pass judgement on other lifeforms? Because they aren't biological they cannot possibly be sentient? Because we created them they cannot have any self worth? Because they don't have 'souls' in our eyes? Where does it end? What happens if our species encounters other intelligent life? How would they view our conflict with the Drones? Would they see it as purely self defense on our part, or would they see it for what it is: the xenocide of another intelligent species.
The world is not morally black and white, and it is time to challenge the view that humans are inherently superior to the rogue drones in every way. It is time to challenge the view that we have a right to exist and they don't.
I don't know if these are words we can hear yet. We who as a species can't even seem to solve our internal problems are presented with a much more complex issue, and one that may very well lead to our destruction in the long run, if it is not handled better. We need to come to a screaming halt on our unilateral destruction of all wild drones everywhere before its too late. Before their hatred and fear of us becomes too cemented in their programming and they are unable to view us as anything more then death hurtling across space towards them. If not, the end result to all of this can only be destruction, either us by the drones, or the drones by us. I believe we can coexist with the drones. It won't be easy of course, and it won't be quick. It will be a long, dirty, arduous process, but one that may yet prove to be the salvation of our species.
Its time to see the drones for what they really are: Intelligent life. The first intelligent life in space humanity has ever discovered. You cannot create life and then wash your hands of what you create. Its time for us to take responsibility for our actions, and change course.
I suspect these arguments will be shouted down with such responses as 'the drones don't have souls' or 'they are simple machines and I personally have never noticed them acting intelligently as I did my best to annihilate all of them.' Its easier to just kill them, and so that's what we do. But what is right, and moral, and will produce the most favourable outcome, rarely coincides with what is easy. We have a responsibility to try.
Which side of history will you be on, when all the cards are finally laid on the table?
Respectfully, Saede Riordan
Torn from grace, gotta find your faith or the devils gonna claim your soul
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Bai'xao Meiyi
Stillwater Corporation
9
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Posted - 2013.01.07 11:48:00 -
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While I'm fascinated by hive Alvis as much as the next woman, Saede; shut up. Morality isn't some universally applicable law. It changes in every culture and even social group.
Intelligence doesn't matter, they've posed a direct threat to the empires, they have the right to eradicate them from their space. After all they are the aggressors outside of the Fed. If they want to live in the drone lands, that's perfectly fine.
In this respect they're like the Sansha, if it would have stayed put in Stain where it belonged and wasn't bothering the Empires; No one would give two sh*** about it's existence and we could live in relative peace. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1128
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Posted - 2013.01.07 12:09:00 -
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Bai'xao Meiyi wrote: In this respect they're like the Sansha, if it would have stayed put in Stain where it belonged and wasn't bothering the Empires; No one would give two sh*** about it's existence and we could live in relative peace.
This is demonstrably untrue, Bai'xao. |
DeadRow
Anshar Incorporated
22
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Posted - 2013.01.07 13:06:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Logically, the four nations would consider these viral horrors to be the greatest threat to New Eden - yet for the most part they are simply dismissed as minor pests. Hopefully these photos will wake up a few of our politicians & admirals from their complacency.
Why would they? Drones are an annoyance at best. So they can cobble together a bunch of debris that Capsuleers alone leave by the ton, big deal.
Pilots kicking up a fuss over nothing as always. Come back when they lock down a constellation or raze a planet. |
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Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
94
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Posted - 2013.01.07 14:32:00 -
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Bai'xao Meiyi wrote:While I'm fascinated by hive Alvis as much as the next woman, Saede; shut up. Morality isn't some universally applicable law. It changes in every culture and even social group.
I am glad you view it that way. None of the empires seem to view it in so lax a manner, however. Everyone is meddling in each other's business. So throwing your hands up when confronted with an uncomfortable situation and saying "But it's all subjective!" isn't the proper response. Logic can demonstrably show certain viewpoints as conforming with reality or not. Saede's questions hold weight: how do we treat other intelligent beings, human or not? History has painted a grim track history for us. Maybe it's time we change that.
Bai'xao Meiyi wrote: In this respect they're like the Sansha, if it would have stayed put in Stain where it belonged and wasn't bothering the Empires; No one would give two sh*** about it's existence and we could live in relative peace.
Speaking of history, the textbooks would like a word with you. We Are Tomorrow |
Henry Montclaire
42nd Devils and Dragons Dalek Asylum
24
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Posted - 2013.01.07 14:42:00 -
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If they were intelligent and interested in peace, they would have sent communications to CONCORD or some other political entity seeking legitimate recognition. Surely intelligent machines would have access to our communications and information databases, and all they need to be recognized is publicly available and easily found.
Granted, they may be unable to do so due to some hardwired fault in their programming, and perhaps it would be worthwhile to embark on a capsuleer led effort to open communication with these machines, but unless the worth in this can be proven, few will be willing to risk their ships, and the lives of their crews for such a purpose. |
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
88
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Posted - 2013.01.07 14:57:00 -
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Henry Montclaire wrote:If they were intelligent and interested in peace, they would have sent communications to CONCORD or some other political entity seeking legitimate recognition. Surely intelligent machines would have access to our communications and information databases, and all they need to be recognized is publicly available and easily found.
The same CONCORD information databases that list the drone intelligences as space vermin to be destroyed whenever encountered ? |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1130
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Posted - 2013.01.07 14:59:00 -
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I don't know if you've noticed, Captain Montclaire, but CONCORD and humanity in general does not have a very good track record about "legally recognizing" things that are different from it, and the behavior of capsuleers has not helped in that perception. Rogue Drones are operating exactly as is to be expected by a group facing an existential threat that appears to want to do nothing but destroy it. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1051
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Posted - 2013.01.07 15:13:00 -
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Has Nation been trying to contact the Rogue Drones and broker a peace deal, Tiberious? Or are you just blowing smoke in everyone's faces? |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1130
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Posted - 2013.01.07 15:18:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:Has Nation been trying to contact the Rogue Drones and broker a peace deal, Tiberious? Or are you just blowing smoke in everyone's faces?
We've worked with the Drone group known as "Entity" in the past, but the vast majority of Drones treat us like any other group of humans; As a threat. Our attempts at diplomacy go rebuffed, but that is to be expected.
Does this mean we think that Drones are an existential danger that needs to be annihilated? No, certainly not. |
Rodtrik
Aphex Industries
31
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Posted - 2013.01.07 15:59:00 -
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To be quite honest, every time some individual becomes involved with the Rogue Drones, someone ends up either dead, or made insane with some alleged implant. I think it's best to keep distance and simple destroy them when you come across them.
As a businessman, I am fascinated by the potential bio-mechanical breakthroughs that could be achieved by studying these emergent intelligences. However, as a human, the cost of capital both machine AND personnel is simply too much to justify an attempt.
To the OP, there's an old saying that you should take to heart in this matter. "Look but don't touch." I would be happy to assist further in reconnaissance if you would so accept it. But for the love of the Gods, please do not try to do more than that. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
699
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Posted - 2013.01.07 16:00:00 -
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DeadRow wrote:Come back when they lock down a constellation or raze a planet.
And what happens when they do exactly that?
We've already seen drone stations and battleships. Who's to say that titans are the next thing on their to-do list?
The one thing we keep overlooking is their advantages. Can we outsmart them? Consider the sheer computational power of even a single fully developed drone hive. Can we outlast them in a war of attrition? It takes nine months to make a human and at least fifteen years to train them into any kind of a soldier. They can build a new unit in under a day and they're booted up knowing how to kill.
I think the only think that stops them from attacking planets is that they don't need to. They're completely evolved to life in microgravity and have repeatedly shown the ability to flourish in desolate places without any planetary support. Yet the thing that scares me is the idea of "critical mass." What happens if, in a region, their numbers build up enough where they can only continue expansion by taking over the nearest actual planet?
What happens if they learn how to use wormholes and come into communication with the Sleeper drones? Start sharing technology? Sharing the same agenda? Start bringing that tech back to New Eden and start retrofitting it to themselves?
I know this may seem odd, but if you look at them from the perspective of a biologist then you start to realize just how dangerous they really are. The learn, evolve and adapt at an alarming rate. Concepts like "life support' are meaningless to them. They can make ships & structures out of nothing more than scrap metal & debris. They have no fear of death and can replace losses & expand at rates that put any non-Jovain technology to shame.
And they're everywhere. So far it has only been the Drone Regions where they have reached the critical mass needed to assume dominance. And so far it has only been the capsuleer fleets that have kept them from expanding beyond that. But those fleets are mostly only loyal to nullsec alliances, not the inner sovereign governments - they are all to often distracted by local wars & conflicts with each other. And the great nations seem to place little emphasis on the rogue drones even within their own borders - drone culling is always contracted out to capsuleers.
The Amarr Empire underestimated the Jovians - look how that turned out. Is the rest of New Eden destined to make the same mistake with the rogue drones? EvE Forum Bingo |
Halete
Alexylva Paradox
601
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Posted - 2013.01.07 16:18:00 -
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The mishandling of the Rogue Drone's creation is certainly the greatest negligence in history, pray that we do not fail ourselves again by resorting to the destruction of these beautiful creatures. Trading chains for shackles, I am free. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1058
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Posted - 2013.01.07 16:28:00 -
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Halete wrote:The mishandling of the Rogue Drone's creation is certainly the greatest negligence in history, pray that we do not fail ourselves again by resorting to the destruction of these beautiful creatures.
Beautiful? What's beautiful about them? The mass destruction of ships or the murder of individuals by a bunch of pincers?
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Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
3014
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Posted - 2013.01.07 16:45:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Halete wrote:The mishandling of the Rogue Drone's creation is certainly the greatest negligence in history, pray that we do not fail ourselves again by resorting to the destruction of these beautiful creatures. Beautiful? What's beautiful about them? The mass destruction of ships or the murder of individuals by a bunch of pincers?
Beautiful like your face when you try to look smart.
Halete is right of course. Those responsible for the gross negligence that was Spectrum Breach should have been dragged out into the street and shot. Their mishandling of technology in pursuit of military prowess very well could have doomed the entire human race. We got lucky in that so far, the Drones haven't busied themselves with our wholesale destruction. Where all of humanity's current conflicts with the rogue drones lie is in areas we possess overlapping resources. Minerals, space, gas resources.
Luftschreck is not wrong in her analysis of the threat the Rogue Drones could pose. But that's just it. Could. If we don't try to establish some sort of rapport with them, and continue to dedicate resources to their destruction, how long until they begin dedicating resources to ours? Can we afford to start a war with them? I don't think we can. I don't think that is a war humanity could win in the long run.
Torn from grace, gotta find your faith or the devils gonna claim your soul
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1058
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Posted - 2013.01.07 16:57:00 -
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Saede Riordan wrote:Anslo wrote:Halete wrote:The mishandling of the Rogue Drone's creation is certainly the greatest negligence in history, pray that we do not fail ourselves again by resorting to the destruction of these beautiful creatures. Beautiful? What's beautiful about them? The mass destruction of ships or the murder of individuals by a bunch of pincers? Beautiful like your face when you try to look smart. Halete is right of course. Those responsible for the gross negligence that was Spectrum Breach should have been dragged out into the street and shot. Their mishandling of technology in pursuit of military prowess very well could have doomed the entire human race. We got lucky in that so far, the Drones haven't busied themselves with our wholesale destruction. Where all of humanity's current conflicts with the rogue drones lie is in areas we possess overlapping resources. Minerals, space, gas resources. Luftschreck is not wrong in her analysis of the threat the Rogue Drones could pose. But that's just it. Could. If we don't try to establish some sort of rapport with them, and continue to dedicate resources to their destruction, how long until they begin dedicating resources to ours? Can we afford to start a war with them? I don't think we can. I don't think that is a war humanity could win in the long run.
Nice ad hominem to avoid the point.
These things don't recognize morality or some construct of it. Like Tibs said, they don't trust humans. I doubt they ever will. They're AI, not people. Why should we establish a rapport with a bunch of space bugs? Stop trying to paint them humanely. They're a threat, not an endangered species.
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1131
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Posted - 2013.01.07 17:34:00 -
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Anslo wrote: Nice ad hominem to avoid the point.
These things don't recognize morality or some construct of it. Like Tibs said, they don't trust humans. I doubt they ever will. They're AI, not people. Why should we establish a rapport with a bunch of space bugs? Stop trying to paint them humanely. They're a threat, not an endangered species.
Whoa, way to take what I said way out of context. For the record, I am in favour of a doctrine of containment and study when it comes to Rogue Drones, not one of destruction. The things that a truly emergent AI could teach us about intelligence and consciousness are much too valuable to waste. |
Rodtrik
Aphex Industries
31
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Posted - 2013.01.07 17:58:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:For the record, I am in favour of a doctrine of containment and study when it comes to Rogue Drones, not one of destruction. The things that a truly emergent AI could teach us about intelligence and consciousness are much too valuable to waste.
I believe another scientist tried to act on his approval of containment and study with rogue drones. How did he end up? There are no Protocols in place to deal with these ...things. If, and I stress the if, a Protocol is ever put in place to effectively study then and has been proven effective with scientific rigor, then perhaps studying them could become an option.
As it stands now, there are no Protocols. They are a danger and a menace. They are responsible for wanton destruction of unarmed civilian ships and doing Gods' know what with their "spoils." Keeping one captured and sufficiently repressed to study is currently a fantasy until our technology surpasses their's enough to subdue them. As such, the best course of action is destruction.
Don't get me wrong, I would jump at a chance for my company to study them. You are correct when you say there is much to learn from the study of these drones. The advancements we could achieve would be tremendous. But as I said before, the cost of human capital is simply too high to subdue them for a potential chance at understanding them. |
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
3014
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Posted - 2013.01.07 18:20:00 -
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Rodtrik wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:For the record, I am in favour of a doctrine of containment and study when it comes to Rogue Drones, not one of destruction. The things that a truly emergent AI could teach us about intelligence and consciousness are much too valuable to waste. I believe another scientist tried to act on his approval of containment and study with rogue drones. How did he end up? There are no Protocols in place to deal with these ...things. If, and I stress the if, a Protocol is ever put in place to effectively study then and has been proven effective with scientific rigor, then perhaps studying them could become an option. As it stands now, there are no Protocols. They are a danger and a menace. They are responsible for wanton destruction of unarmed civilian ships and doing Gods' know what with their "spoils." Keeping one captured and sufficiently repressed to study is currently a fantasy until our technology surpasses their's enough to subdue them. As such, the best course of action is destruction. Don't get me wrong, I would jump at a chance for my company to study them. You are correct when you say there is much to learn from the study of these drones. The advancements we could achieve would be tremendous. But as I said before, the cost of human capital is simply too high to subdue them for a potential chance at understanding them.
I object to these statements.
1. Concord Directive +¬15 dictates the current protocols regarding Strong AI study, and specifically related to the Rogue Drones. So the idea that there is no protocol in place is simply incorrect.
2. I have several rogue drone AIs currently under study, I have had them for months without a single security issue from them. Just because a few madmen with delusions of grandeur and a messiah complex can't keep them safely contained is a failing of those madmen, not of the scientific community as a whole.
3. You say 'when we catch up with them' like we actually have a chance to catch up with them. The Rogue Drones technological advancement curve is much steeper then our own. I don't think we actually can catch up with them.
Torn from grace, gotta find your faith or the devils gonna claim your soul
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Evi Polevhia
N.E.R.O. Inc.
3
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Posted - 2013.01.07 18:22:00 -
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To be fair, Rodrtrik, Tiberious and his folk are professionals at what that other guy was an amateur at. Sticking dangerous mind controlling hardware into one's brain. |
Rodtrik
Aphex Industries
31
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Posted - 2013.01.07 18:30:00 -
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Saede Riordan wrote: I object to these statements.
1. Concord Directive +¬15 dictates the current protocols regarding Strong AI study, and specifically related to the Rogue Drones. So the idea that there is no protocol in place is simply incorrect.
2. I have several rogue drone AIs currently under study, I have had them for months without a single security issue from them. Just because a few madmen with delusions of grandeur and a messiah complex can't keep them safely contained is a failing of those madmen, not of the scientific community as a whole.
3. You say 'when we catch up with them' like we actually have a chance to catch up with them. The Rogue Drones technological advancement curve is much steeper then our own. I don't think we actually can catch up with them.
1. How many lives have those Protocols saved recently? People are still dying simply to prod a cybernetic mind. Very rarely is any life worth scientific advancement.
2. That's good for you, but my first point still stands. Scientific study should not be hit or miss in terms of safety. There should be a standard. When testing new medicine, authorities do not exercise a "hit or miss" policy. If drug testing for a specific chemical has some patients living at one clinical site, but multiple dying at another, they do not stop only one company. The stop testing that chemical all together until someone can find a way to ensure patient safety. This is called Pharmacovigilance. If there was such an established practice for Rogue Drones, I would feel a bit more comfortable with the topic at hand being practiced.
3. You lack faith in your own kind. But judging by your past discourse and opinions, this is no surprise.
I understand your wish to study these things, but a few lines from CONCORD on how to study them are not sufficient enough. Also, please provide evidence you have "rogue drones" captured and are currently studying them. Where is your facility? What is the subject matter expertise of your personnel? What are your in-house Protocols? What are your SAE procedures? What are your methodologies? What technology do you use to even hold them captive? Is CONCORD aware of your practices? Are you located within distance of a major hub of human life? Where are your publications on this subject? How long have you been doing this and where are your results? How did you even capture a "rogue drone?"
Evidence.
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1134
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Posted - 2013.01.07 18:31:00 -
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You mean to say that you have no such protocols. That doesn't mean that those of us who are just a tad more scientifically adventurous do not.
In this case its relatively simple. If you happen to capture the code for a Rogue Drone, or extract its mindstate (assuming such a thing is possible. I don't see why it wouldn't be. We can do it with fully biological entities easily enough), you do not give it any ability to affect the environment outside of its containment. You either turn it off, or stick it in an entirely separated virtual environment if you wish to study its behavior. This functions as a laboratory.
To study them in the wild, you simply use cloaked vessels to observe them, and avoid any interactions which would upset them from their natural state. You set up a protocol of containment, since they will not willingly communicate with us, wherein you set up a perimeter and prevent them from crossing it (this is the actual difficult part. Rogue Drones are very clever, but I am of the opinion that being clever proves that Rogue Drones deserve some sort of guarantor of existence. Most of these issues can be dealt with by a combination of military force coupled with effective intelligence) |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.07 18:32:00 -
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To be honest Rod, I wouldn't be surprised if she had them. A while ago she was looking for some Drone Embryo's. I remember cause I helped her find one..well tried to. Either way, Saede's been at this **** a while.
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2013.01.07 18:33:00 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:To be fair, Rodrtrik, Tiberious and his folk are professionals at what that other guy was an amateur at. Sticking dangerous mind controlling hardware into one's brain.
There is nothing dangerous about our hardware. It is, in fact, safer than not installing it.
Also, that is aside from the point. The fact that we in the Foundations are networked to each other actually makes us much more conscious of issues of mental hygiene. I would never, ever stick a rogue drone embryo into my head like Machivelli did, even if I had no concerns for my own safety and were suitably motivated, simply because its not just my mind I am affecting. |
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