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Elissianus
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Posted - 2005.06.14 16:09:00 -
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Although I'm quite happy with the basic research and production system, I need to get a handle on how much improvement researching ME and PE on BPO's will do on ships, particularly as I would like to produce long term. I'm currently trying to build up both my Research and Metallurgy skills (reducing BPO manufacturing time and mineral efficiency I'm led to believe) but how big a difference will this make for small, medium and large ship production?
I was shocked to find when attempting to increase ME by 1 point on a Catalyst destroyer that it was going to take over 2 days, but assuming I'd increased my metallurgy to (say) 4, how much shorter would that have been? Is it practical to attempt to get ME to 10/15 on ships, and if so, what level metallurgy should I have and how long is it going to take.
Similarly with PE - if I increase my Research skill to level 4, is it practical to try and increase PE to 10, 15 or even 20, or will this make very little difference in terms of manufacturing time?
Sorry if there are a lot of questions here, but I'd like to know how worthwhile ME/PE research is before I dedicate valuable hours. Plus, it'd be useful to have a ballpark figure on production time for different ships - is there a spreadsheet for this where you input ME/PE of bpo (plus your skills) and it tells you how long to make something?
Help gratefully appreciated.
Eli
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Daiashi
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Posted - 2005.06.14 18:15:00 -
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Edited by: Daiashi on 14/06/2005 18:19:07
Edited by: Daiashi on 14/06/2005 18:17:44
The Research and Manufacturing section of the player guide covers all of this and more, you need the calculations in the middle.
HINT
For production time it is:
base - (5/(1 + PE)
So, get PE to 1 and the 5/1+PE gives a 2.5% cut in the base amount. Further increase in PE gives lesser advantages. Increasing the industry skill will have greater effect as +1 Industry = 5% reduction in time.
You can do the rest of the math yourself. . .
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Peri Stark
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Posted - 2005.06.14 21:48:00 -
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What this means in practical terms is for ships I try to get an ME between 10 and 50, with the higher levels going to the largest ships. As for PE, if I have an empty lab slot I might research PE as the return on the time involved is not worth it to me. The exception to this would be if you plan to crank out a steady stream of product to fill orders. Since most of my building is to stock up I do not bother. This is of course just my opinion.
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Elissianus
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Posted - 2005.06.15 07:43:00 -
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Thanks for the responses (and I have read the manufacturing guide on the link provided) but the problem is, none of the skills I'm learning seem to affect the amount of time it takes to research material efficiency. As an example, but no metallurgy skills it took 2 days 8 hours to research ME1, but after increasing metallurgy to 3, it still takes 2 days 8 hours to research another ME point. How on earth do I bring these times down?
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Marcus Tedric
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Posted - 2005.06.15 07:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Elissianus
Thanks for the responses (and I have read the manufacturing guide on the link provided) but the problem is, none of the skills I'm learning seem to affect the amount of time it takes to research material efficiency. As an example, but no metallurgy skills it took 2 days 8 hours to research ME1, but after increasing metallurgy to 3, it still takes 2 days 8 hours to research another ME point. How on earth do I bring these times down?
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Luance DeAngeluotti
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Posted - 2005.06.15 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Elissianus
T As an example, but no metallurgy skills it took 2 days 8 hours to research ME1, but after increasing metallurgy to 3, it still takes 2 days 8 hours to research another ME point. How on earth do I bring these times down?
Have you taken out the BP and installed it again? Could be the time will be calculated only of you install it, so learning a higher level while having a job installed will have no influence on the time...
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Elissianus
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Posted - 2005.06.15 18:58:00 -
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I'm making this observation on the two runs I've done....
1st Run (increasing ME from 0-1 on Catalyst) with my Metallurgy 0 - 2 days 8 hours
2nd run (increasing ME from 1-2 on Catalyst) with my Metallurgy 3 - 2 days 8 hours
Surely there should be a difference?
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Ritzenhoff
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Posted - 2005.06.16 01:09:00 -
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I am new to manufacturing myself, but this is my understanding.
Mineral Efficiency reduces the amount of minerals (tritanium etc.) required. So that is why your time has not reduced - unless you count the time it takes to mine those minerals. Or if you buy them, then it has helped your profitability significantly.
Researching PE on BPOs is worthless, apparently, as you can only shave seconds off the time required.
However, increasing the skill Industry will reduce manufacturing time by 4% per level.
That's how I understand it anyway, but like I say, I have just started manufacturing myself.
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Elissianus
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Posted - 2005.06.16 07:49:00 -
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Unfortunately, that is not what the description of the Metallurgy skill says: -
"Advanced knowledge of mineral composition. 5% Bonus to mineral efficiency research speed."
Surely that means the higher my Metallurgy skill, the less time it should take to research one level of mineral efficiency.
Someone must know whether this skill works... :(
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boubou bzh
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Posted - 2005.06.16 19:06:00 -
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i've two different char with metallurgy at 3 and 5, and i see a difference when i do research ME on a bpo.
when u do research on big ship bpo, it is important other way, if you are not a dedicated researcher, that's fine :-)
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