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Pyrrhus Max
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.07 01:38:00 -
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"Quit" eve for about 8 months, coming back to cruiser revamps etc. Always loved flying the Vaga, however it seems vaga is out of style now.
All the kids are flying Cynabals (which they were when i left) But i refuse to spent 350 mil on a cynabal... i also noticed a lot of people flying SFI's.
I did a little looking around, and noticed all the fits i could find for them were armor fits with 1600 plates on, maybe its being old school but that just seems silly.
Are there any good SHIELD fits for the SFI ? Or are they pretty much armor fit these days? |
Reuqh Dew
Anasta.
33
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Posted - 2013.01.07 03:26:00 -
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If you have flown Vagabond, I'm sure you can pull together a shield SFI. 425mm's, 2 LSEs, few gyros and TEs here and there.
Reason for these "silly" armor fits is Fleet Stabber's low sig radius, 50% tracking bonus and high armor hp. |
Smabs
Higher Than Everest
BricK sQuAD.
74
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Posted - 2013.01.07 04:33:00 -
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The SFI is really good considering its price at the moment. I think they were at about 48 mil recently. A shield fitting is okay, but the vaga and cynabal do it better. The reason people do armor SFI's is because of the high base armor, slot layout and tiny sig radius, which makes it ideal for that role.
If you wanted to go for a cheap shield ship I'd actually suggest using a rupture, especially after the cruiser buff. |
bubble trout
Sky Fighters
Talocan United
55
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Posted - 2013.01.07 05:24:00 -
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Just fly the vaga.
The shield sfi doesn't get the range or damage that a vaga gets, but it does murder frigs. Bit slower, but more tank the way I fit it. It works much more like anti tackle than dps. The SFI is much cheaper, 80ish m fit up, and doesn't scare people as badly as a vaga.
[Stabber Fleet Issue, Baby vaga]
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Warp Disruptor II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Warrior II x5
Warrior II x3
425's fit, if you down grade a LSE or use a 3%. I like the higher tracking on the 220's though, you lose some range and only a little dps. Barrage, PP are my main ammo types, if you use depleted uranium/ titanium sabot you get .324 tracking . |
Spheranzinne
Viral Infections
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Posted - 2013.01.07 06:38:00 -
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three base fits for sfi i know of
1. the brick, dualprop
2. the dual armor rep plus boosters
3. the shield, damage mods plus nanos
as said before, the tiny sig old fashion brick still does the job. the shield style, even with tracking in the lows, is still slow on damage projection. |
Danny John-Peter
New Eden Renegades
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
181
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Posted - 2013.01.07 09:23:00 -
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You can shield fit SFIs, I have tried it, but I found the DPS and projection both lacking, the Vaga, Cyna, Zealot and Deimos all do the kiting job better, hell so does a shield Harbinger. I prefer the brick tanked Dual 180 fit.
[Stabber Fleet Issue, Armour Plate]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
10MN Afterburner II
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Some people swear by the Dual Rep version, but I havent flown it, so cant comment. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
392
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Posted - 2013.01.07 11:06:00 -
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The reason the armor sfi is more common is because the armor sfi is the best at what it does and it utilizes the ships bonuses to the max.
The shield works but it isn't significantly better than other kiting ships.. like the Caracal. |
mama guru
Thundercats
The Initiative.
86
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Posted - 2013.01.07 11:39:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:The reason the armor sfi is more common is because the armor sfi is the best at what it does and it utilizes the ships bonuses to the max.
The shield works but it isn't significantly better than other kiting ships.. like the Caracal.
Shield SFI works but only really against frigs and destroyers, it lacks the damage projection to effectively fight off bigger targets without putting itself at risk.
If you're a half decent kiter who can use the Dscan and wont do something stupid like a 50 AU warp to a gate in a system packed with reds you should just man up and shell out for a cynabal or a vaga if youre feeling poor.
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EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's too hard you are too weak. |
Xuixien
Rifterlings
Damu'Khonde
217
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Posted - 2013.01.07 13:38:00 -
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Alternately, you can go for a dual Medium Armor Repairer with a cap booster. No plate, just load resistance mods and armor rep rigs. Dual 180's of course.
Everyone vs Everyone
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hiporiko
Ghost Town
11
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Posted - 2013.01.08 18:12:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Alternately, you can go for a dual Medium Armor Repairer with a cap booster. No plate, just load resistance mods and armor rep rigs. Dual 180's of course.
Or replace the armor rigs with acr's and fit a 100mn. Don't forget the Legion booster. |
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Danny John-Peter
New Eden Renegades
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
182
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Posted - 2013.01.09 13:42:00 -
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hiporiko wrote:Xuixien wrote:Alternately, you can go for a dual Medium Armor Repairer with a cap booster. No plate, just load resistance mods and armor rep rigs. Dual 180's of course. Or replace the armor rigs with acr's and fit a 100mn. Don't forget the Legion booster.
Because getting less tank and being unable to hold the tight orbit that allows the SFI to tank and actually apply damage is a fantastic idea guys. |
Jerick Ludhowe
The Nyan Cat Pirates
The Retirement Club
337
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Posted - 2013.01.09 14:20:00 -
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hiporiko wrote:
Or replace the armor rigs with acr's and fit a 100mn. Don't forget the Legion booster.
No, just no
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Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
252
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Posted - 2013.01.09 16:04:00 -
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Shield SFI is ****, its really just an armor boat.
Try the new caracal, its fast as **** and does the shield kiting thing a lot better then the SFI could ever hope to. Cynabal and Vaga are fairly irrelevant now due to price and frigs/dessies/T1 cruisers all getting buffed.
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180 |
Jerick Ludhowe
The Nyan Cat Pirates
The Retirement Club
337
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Posted - 2013.01.09 16:09:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:Cynabal and Vaga are fairly irrelevant now due to price and frigs/dessies/T1 cruisers all getting buffed.
Just because everyone is saying this does not make it true. Vaga and cyna are still miles above t1 cruisers, dessies, and t1 frigs.
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Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
252
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Posted - 2013.01.09 16:17:00 -
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Well you would be completely wrong then. But don't feel bad, most people are.
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote:Cynabal and Vaga are fairly irrelevant now due to price and frigs/dessies/T1 cruisers all getting buffed. Just because everyone is saying this does not make it true. Vaga and cyna are still miles above t1 cruisers, dessies, and t1 frigs.
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
402
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Posted - 2013.01.09 16:37:00 -
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Jerick Ludhowe wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote:Cynabal and Vaga are fairly irrelevant now due to price and frigs/dessies/T1 cruisers all getting buffed. Just because everyone is saying this does not make it true. Vaga and cyna are still miles above t1 cruisers, dessies, and t1 frigs.
Yes but are they 10 times better?
Because thats the price difference.. Add to that that half the time you die in eve it wouldn't save you to have a slightly more powerful ship... |
Jerick Ludhowe
The Nyan Cat Pirates
The Retirement Club
337
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Posted - 2013.01.09 16:43:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:Well you would be completely wrong then. But don't feel bad, most people are.
How is stating that the vaga and cyna are miles above t1 cruisers, dessies, and t1 frigs completely wrong? Go ahead, try and prove me wrong. After a modest amount of research you will see that your original statement is simply based on cry baby forum warriors posting "the sky is falling" style thread related to vaga and cyna. The reality is that the relative gap between t1 cruisers, dessies, t1 frigs and the vaga/cyna is smaller now than it was before however a large gap in performance most certainly does exist.
In short, stop basing conclusions on bad pubbies bad opinions of things they know nothing about. VAGA/CYNA are significantly better than relevant t1 cruisers, dessies, and t1 frigs. Coming to any other conclusions is simply an admittance of ignorance meaning that this post is probably lost on you.
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Jerick Ludhowe
The Nyan Cat Pirates
The Retirement Club
337
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Posted - 2013.01.09 16:48:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Jerick Ludhowe wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote:Cynabal and Vaga are fairly irrelevant now due to price and frigs/dessies/T1 cruisers all getting buffed. Just because everyone is saying this does not make it true. Vaga and cyna are still miles above t1 cruisers, dessies, and t1 frigs. Yes but are they 10 times better? Because thats the price difference.. Add to that that half the time you die in eve it wouldn't save you to have a slightly more powerful ship...
Potential performance of ships has never, ever, for the entire history of eve scaled equally to cost. Making the point that things should be proportionally better based upon comparative cost is simply a worthless point and has never held weight, ever.
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Christine Peeveepeeski
The Imperial Fedaykin
216
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Posted - 2013.01.09 17:24:00 -
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Er, why shield tank an SFI when a bog standard stabber is superior for that role?
The only benefit the shield sfi gets is drones.
[Stabber, Attacus]
Signal Amplifier II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Warp Disruptor II
Large Shield Extender II
Stasis Webifier II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
50W Infectious Power System Malfunction
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Arguably this fit above, with the neuts gives you significantly higher flexibility than an SFI even with the SFI's drone advantage if your game is to **** with frigates.
Your range and speed enables the chance of kiting much heavier hitting cruisers especially under OGB with barrage loaded. Even when not under OGB it still rocks.
The signal amp means a big **** YOU to anything with dual unbonussed damps (i'm looking at you Mr Hookbill....) |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
402
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Posted - 2013.01.09 17:26:00 -
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Jerick Ludhowe wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:Jerick Ludhowe wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote:Cynabal and Vaga are fairly irrelevant now due to price and frigs/dessies/T1 cruisers all getting buffed. Just because everyone is saying this does not make it true. Vaga and cyna are still miles above t1 cruisers, dessies, and t1 frigs. Yes but are they 10 times better? Because thats the price difference.. Add to that that half the time you die in eve it wouldn't save you to have a slightly more powerful ship... Potential performance of ships has never, ever, for the entire history of eve scaled equally to cost. Making the point that things should be proportionally better based upon comparative cost is simply a worthless point and has never held weight, ever.
Yes it does.. When the benefit is only marginal..
The cynabal is better off, because it has the frig agility thing going for it.
There is virtually no reason what so ever to pick a vaga over a caracal however.. Especially since the caracal can do hamkite + smexy ewar. |
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Christine Peeveepeeski
The Imperial Fedaykin
216
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Posted - 2013.01.09 17:34:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Jerick Ludhowe wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:Jerick Ludhowe wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote:Cynabal and Vaga are fairly irrelevant now due to price and frigs/dessies/T1 cruisers all getting buffed. Just because everyone is saying this does not make it true. Vaga and cyna are still miles above t1 cruisers, dessies, and t1 frigs. Yes but are they 10 times better? Because thats the price difference.. Add to that that half the time you die in eve it wouldn't save you to have a slightly more powerful ship... Potential performance of ships has never, ever, for the entire history of eve scaled equally to cost. Making the point that things should be proportionally better based upon comparative cost is simply a worthless point and has never held weight, ever. Yes it does.. When the benefit is only marginal.. The cynabal is better off, because it has the frig agility thing going for it. There is virtually no reason what so ever to pick a vaga over a caracal however.. Especially since the caracal can do hamkite + smexy ewar.
Now ASB's got hit with the nerf bat I'd have to agree but for a time vaga's had significantly increased tanking potential over the cyn.
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
402
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Posted - 2013.01.09 18:04:00 -
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Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:
Yes it does.. When the benefit is only marginal..
The cynabal is better off, because it has the frig agility thing going for it.
There is virtually no reason what so ever to pick a vaga over a caracal however.. Especially since the caracal can do hamkite + smexy ewar.
Now ASB's got hit with the nerf bat I'd have to agree but for a time vaga's had significantly increased tanking potential over the cyn.
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.......... You mean the XL asb lolfit?
A skilled player could make it work... but it was still a lolfit..
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Jerick Ludhowe
The Nyan Cat Pirates
The Retirement Club
337
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Posted - 2013.01.09 18:46:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:
The cynabal is better off, because it has the frig agility thing going for it.
There is virtually no reason what so ever to pick a vaga over a caracal however.. Especially since the caracal can do hamkite + smexy ewar.
Vaga has a much stronger ASB tank (which is more or less standard fit now) than the cyna. So there most certainly is a reason to fly vaga over cyna.
BTW, calling the xl asb vaga a lol fit has only shown your extreme ignorance. Please refrain from posting about things you obviously know nothing about, thank you. |
mama guru
Thundercats
The Initiative.
88
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Posted - 2013.01.12 11:17:00 -
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Vagabonds and Cynabals still have their uses. T1 cruisers offer very cheap ships with good preformance in gangs, so expect alot of them and expect them in gangs.
A Vaga has better damage projection and T2 resists. A Cynabal has better DPS and mobility, a Neut and the ability to fit a decent buffer for a ship of its speed. Or if you go solo you can fit a Scram+Longpoint or Web+Longpoint.
Neither the vaga or the cyna have been doctrine ships, so that has not really changed. T1 cruisers offers that possibility because of their low cost to preformance ratio after the buffs.
Now that T1 cruisers are so good, the real problem lies in the fact that cynabals and vagabonds have rivals on the topic of speed in the T1 lineup which makes them more likely to get tackled if they are alone and run into a gang. Before these changes and before Tier 3 BC's these ships were safe because you did not have any real chance of getting pinned and killed if you knew what you were doing, since the most likely tackle were frigates who died really quickly.
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EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's too hard you are too weak. |
Wuxi Wuxilla
The Tuskers
58
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Posted - 2013.01.12 12:14:00 -
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Jerick Ludhowe wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:
The cynabal is better off, because it has the frig agility thing going for it.
There is virtually no reason what so ever to pick a vaga over a caracal however.. Especially since the caracal can do hamkite + smexy ewar.
Vaga has a much stronger ASB tank (which is more or less standard fit now) than the cyna. So there most certainly is a reason to fly vaga over cyna. BTW, calling the xl asb vaga a lol fit has only shown your extreme ignorance. Please refrain from posting about things you obviously know nothing about, thank you.
Ok, I'm reading it pretty much everywhere and I don't get it:
Where does the Vaga have the significantly better tank? The tank is pretty much equal with the additional midslot/rigslot the Cyna has (unless you include shield resist links). |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
411
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Posted - 2013.01.12 13:14:00 -
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Hmm, i thought you meant the ******** xlvagabrawlfits that became popular a few months back after some guy made a video using them.
Looked up the proper one (Seeing how i pretty much never run into vagas.. ever.. ) and yea its decent enough to warrant use.
Not really justifiable for the cost though |
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