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Complex Potential
No Fixed Abode
Mildly Intoxicated
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Posted - 2013.01.08 12:29:00 -
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For me, I've just fallen in love with the Stiletto for one simple reason: 4 med slots, which is sooo handy on a ceptor. That extra slot means either adding a web or adding more scan res, both of which are awesome.
Can't believe I waited this long to train minmatar frig 5.
Anyone got a different favourite? |
Mike Adoulin
Trans-Aerospace Industries
136
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Posted - 2013.01.08 12:55:00 -
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My favorite interceptor is the Venture, because they are cheap, easy to build/fly, and people think they are mining frigates.
Also, it laughs at scrams.
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Iogrim
Kaer Industries
11
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Posted - 2013.01.08 13:18:00 -
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Atron or Executioner.
T2 interceptors are not worth the price tag atm. |
ROXGenghis
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
57
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Posted - 2013.01.08 14:04:00 -
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Malediction because look at it.
Intys still far outshine the T1 tackle frigs. The extra tackle range and the MWD sig radius bonus make them pretty much unkillable if flown properly. |
Complex Potential
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Posted - 2013.01.08 14:10:00 -
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Mike Adoulin wrote:
My favorite interceptor is the Venture, because they are cheap, easy to build/fly, and people think they are mining frigates.
Also, it laughs at scrams.
I just had a look at that in EFT and it's hilarious! I love it!
Over 3000m/s, dual prop, warp scram and 950 scan res. This thing's supposed to be a beginner mining frig.
Iogrim wrote:Atron or Executioner.
T2 interceptors are not worth the price tag atm.
I think a ceptor is T2 by definition but anyway...
So any interceptor isn't worth it? Half an hour of ratting covers the cost of a Stiletto and so that's not really a consideration for me.
If I want to instalock pods in null and move at over 5000m/s with a 30km point I need a ceptor. I;m not sure a t1 ship could cut the mustard but I would love to be proved wrong. |
mxzf
Blackened Skies
2125
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Posted - 2013.01.08 15:54:00 -
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I'm a big fan of the Stiletto too. |
cosmiclown
Konflict ZERO
Anger Management.
0
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:23:00 -
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Taranis because it destroys any other interceptor and most other fast tackle. |
Ines Tegator
Towels R Us
210
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:44:00 -
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Malediction, because a 6k EHP, 4k ms, active repping tackle with a Nos is a mother clucking witch to get rid of.
Drones? What are drones? Are they supposed to hurt or tickle?  |
Brisby of Nimh
Incursion Squad
1
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Posted - 2013.01.09 03:58:00 -
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Wish I could fly them right now they could be fun with some skilled flying in th emean time
Amarr
crusader; one of its bounases should be changed and then this ship would be very very popular in the mean time a slicer does the same job better.
malediction;damage rsistance and an incress to the range of my scram and a 3rd mid slot for the trinity that is tackle I wounder why this one is popular. (unfotunatly it is pretty much like a vengeance just with less cap and damage)
Caldari
Crow; missle kitting ship need I say more.
raptor; a caldari blaster boatwith one hard dission to make a sheild or a web for its last mid slot
Gallente
Ares; it is trying real hard but falls short due to less guns than its cousin I would indeed recomend it fo intial point in a gate camp till the real tackle takes over.
Taranis; hits like a ton of bricks well 4.5 of the most high damage guns in the game with a great top speed amazing tracking and just to confuse the person who uses it and keep them wondering if they had remebered to deploy those 2 drones would it have made a diffrence.
Minmatar
claw; 50% more damage with a gun that can choose its damage type and never be caped out with s spare high slot to have a vamp to keep that scram going what more could you ask for... oh wait I know a 3rd mid slot.
stiletto;damage is down but you pick up that wonderful extra 25% on your point and scram range and you have enough mids to put the Caldari to shame... no realy it does it has 4 that is the trinity of tackle and one other thing of your choosing. last but not least it has a great locking time. Like OH CRAP yourmotherisrightbehindyouquickmakeitlooklikeyourdoingsomethingelse. Type of fast.
well that is what I have to say about the diffrent interceptors. Best advice give them all a try see what you like and what fits the way you play. |
Super spikinator
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2013.01.09 05:43:00 -
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Crusader because it was my first interceptor and when I wasn't using it the way it was meant to, I used it to rat. Can't touch this. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
2587
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Posted - 2013.01.09 06:11:00 -
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Complex Potential wrote:For me, I've just fallen in love with the Stiletto for one simple reason: 4 med slots, which is sooo handy on a ceptor. That extra slot means either adding a web or adding more scan res, both of which are awesome.
Can't believe I waited this long to train minmatar frig 5.
Anyone got a different favourite?
I'd say most of the combat inties are obsolete with the T1 frig changes, but if I had to choose one I'd say the Taranis. I've put many hours of solo PVP into the 'ranis and it's still pretty great. You'd probably be surprised how important the tracking bonus is on it. The utility high for a nos is also a godsend - something that puts it a definite step above the Crusader.
My favorite tackle inty is definitely the Ares, followed by the Malediction. The 3 mids/4 lows of the Ares is awfully hard to beat, and it's just so darn fast. I don't like the Stiletto much, despite it being the tackle inty I have the most experience in.
-Liang
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
2587
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Posted - 2013.01.09 06:23:00 -
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Brisby of Nimh wrote:
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Crusader
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Crow
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Tackle trinity...Webs
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Wait what? A few comments:
- The lack of a utility high for a nos makes the Crusader have tremendous difficulty living inside 10km, but it lacks the range to live much outside it. Giving it a utility high makes it almost competitive with the Taranis (but not really) while giving it an optimal bonus squeezes it (somehow) between the Slicer and Retribution. I used to love the Crusader, but it's role is pretty small these days.
- I'm not much of a fan of the Crow. The lack of a 4th mid and poor fittings on that particular ship makes the Condor almost universally a much better choice.
- Webs are generally not something you should be fitting to an interceptor. I'd say that the mids for a standard interceptor should be a MWD/Disruptor/Scram, with a Sig Amp or Projector somewhere on the ship.
- Guns are worthless on an interceptor for all purposes other than killing ECM drones and Warrior IIs. Lack of guns does not make the ship bad - the extra slots where it matters makes the Ares a stand out victor to me.
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
2587
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Posted - 2013.01.09 06:24:00 -
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Mike Adoulin wrote:My favorite interceptor is the Venture, because they are cheap, easy to build/fly, and people think they are mining frigates.
That's really clever. I bet it works too.
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
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Juan Andalusian
Bastion 437
49
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Posted - 2013.01.09 09:07:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:
I'd say most of the combat inties are obsolete with the T1 frig changes, but if I had to choose one I'd say the Taranis. I've put many hours of solo PVP into the 'ranis and it's still pretty great. You'd probably be surprised how important the tracking bonus is on it. The utility high for a nos is also a godsend - something that puts it a definite step above the Crusader.
-Liang
That utility high has been crowning the Taranis king since it's inception. Sbomb back in the day of cruise missiles, Nos now. |
Moonasha
Orcses and Goblinz
111
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Posted - 2013.01.09 11:47:00 -
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Stiletto has wonderful mid slots.
Malediction is immune to warriors with those high exp resists. Put a rep on there and gg. Too bad it has to have a specific loadout per role.
MWD SEBO Longpoint -> gate camping.
MWD Scram Longpoint if you feel a little suicidal
MWD Longpoint Web with targeting range rigs
MWD Scram Web for ultimate suicide
Haven't tried the other two |
Jerick Ludhowe
The Nyan Cat Pirates
The Retirement Club
337
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Posted - 2013.01.09 13:50:00 -
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Iogrim wrote:Atron or Executioner.
T2 interceptors are not worth the price tag atm.
Interceptors are T2 by definition, attack frigates are not interceptors, you fail.
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Complex Potential
No Fixed Abode
Mildly Intoxicated
170
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Posted - 2013.01.09 13:58:00 -
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Jerick Ludhowe wrote:Iogrim wrote:Atron or Executioner.
T2 interceptors are not worth the price tag atm. Interceptors are T2 by definition, attack frigates are not interceptors, you fail.
That's what I said in post #5, but without the insult. |
Jerick Ludhowe
The Nyan Cat Pirates
The Retirement Club
337
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Posted - 2013.01.09 14:01:00 -
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Complex Potential wrote:
That's what I said in post #5, but without the insult.
Congratulations!
Btw, if you consider "you fail" an insult I'd suggest removing yourself from the internet as I don't think you really have the stomach for it. |
Complex Potential
No Fixed Abode
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Posted - 2013.01.09 14:06:00 -
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Jerick Ludhowe wrote:Complex Potential wrote:
That's what I said in post #5, but without the insult.
Congratulations! Btw, if you consider "you fail" an insult I'd suggest removing yourself from the internet as I don't think you really have the stomach for it.
"Insult"
Verb
Speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful abuse.
Seems to fit.
The internet being full of insulting people does not change the definition of what an insult is. |
Jerick Ludhowe
The Nyan Cat Pirates
The Retirement Club
337
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Posted - 2013.01.09 14:13:00 -
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"you fail" is not an insult, at all. There is no disrespectful nature in the statement. It is simply a true statement describing the failing nature of quoted poster.
If any disrespect if perceived it is simply, without question, coming entirely from your end. Buck up bud. |
Complex Potential
No Fixed Abode
Mildly Intoxicated
170
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Posted - 2013.01.09 14:40:00 -
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By that logic the next time I see someone trying to push open a door that says pull, can I call them an idiot and it won't be an insult? Afterall, there's no disrepect to the comment, it's simply a true statement describing their idiocy.
Also, a statement becomes insulting when someone is insulted by it, regardless of whether that was the intent.
Otherwise you're basically saying that you can say anything you want to anyone and it's fine so long as it doesn't fall within your definition of offensive.
Be careful visiting other countries with different customs to yours, that attitude could land you in hot water. |
Jerick Ludhowe
The Nyan Cat Pirates
The Retirement Club
337
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Posted - 2013.01.09 14:49:00 -
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Complex Potential wrote:By that logic the next time I see someone trying to push open a door that says pull, can I call them an idiot and it won't be an insult? Afterall, there's no disrepect to the comment, it's simply a true statement describing their idiocy.
Calling someone an idiot is very different than informing them that they have failed at a specific thing. Simply mistaking a push for a pull is a fail which does not have any bearing on them being an idiot or not. Simplifying the entirety of their intellectual prowess by a single mistake is, you guessed it, a fail. |
Complex Potential
No Fixed Abode
Mildly Intoxicated
170
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Posted - 2013.01.09 15:06:00 -
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Fair enough. I'll finish by pointing out that I have accidentally insulted people before.
Did I mean to insult them? No.
Did I agree what I said was insulting? No.
Was what I said actually insulting? Obviously. It must have been since they were insulted.
Ah well, we can agree to disagree as all mature people should. Shake? |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
509
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Posted - 2013.01.09 16:07:00 -
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Moonasha wrote:
MWD Scram Web for ultimate suicide
This setup is also great for catching and killing all those pesky t1 fast tackle frigs. It can even help hold down a stabber or vaga long enough for more dps to arrive. |
Jerick Ludhowe
The Nyan Cat Pirates
The Retirement Club
337
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Posted - 2013.01.09 19:15:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Moonasha wrote:
MWD Scram Web for ultimate suicide
This setup is also great for catching and killing all those pesky t1 fast tackle frigs. It can even help hold down a stabber or vaga long enough for more dps to arrive.
True that, Although I do strongly prefer the dual prop, dual tackle ceptors (4 mids obvi) which allow for fast tackle, and speed tanking.
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Christine Peeveepeeski
The Imperial Fedaykin
216
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Posted - 2013.01.09 20:31:00 -
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My fave?....
THE CLAAAAAAAAAW!!1!1111
Not for any other reason than arty claws are bat **** crazy fun to fly. |
Maeltstome
Mentally Assured Destruction
261
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Posted - 2013.01.10 00:08:00 -
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ROXGenghis wrote:Malediction because look at it.
Intys still far outshine the T1 tackle frigs. The extra tackle range and the MWD sig radius bonus make them pretty much unkillable if flown properly.
No they dont. They have plenty of fitting, better slot layouts and good lock ranges.
What they dont have is extra t2 bonuses... but they are still better, all in. |
DARKIFRIT
Wolves and Knights
The Irukandji
13
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Posted - 2013.01.10 12:54:00 -
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Dual prop rannis - it does tons of damage and is badass =) |
ROXGenghis
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
58
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Posted - 2013.01.10 14:46:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:ROXGenghis wrote:Malediction because look at it.
Intys still far outshine the T1 tackle frigs. The extra tackle range and the MWD sig radius bonus make them pretty much unkillable if flown properly. No they dont. They have plenty of fitting, better slot layouts and good lock ranges. What they dont have is extra t2 bonuses... but they are still better, all in.
Let's consider two similarly fit MSE ships, an Executioner and a Malediction. Actually the Executioner gets more speed mods due to its better fitting, but it's still slower than the Malediction. Or the Executioner can fit more tank mods, but it will still have less tank than the Malediction and will also be either slower or have a larger sig radius.
The Malediction fits a single ionic field projector rig to get an equivalent locking range to the Executioner, but that factors into the T1's fitting advantage, which we've determined doesn't close the gap with the T2's native speed, resist, and sig radius advantages. (The advantages that you dismiss for some reason.)
Anyway, let's say both tacklers are orbiting a stationary target at their optimal tackle range. The Executioner orbits a target at 24km at a speed of 4600 with a sig radius of 228. The Malediction orbits at 30km at a speed of 5000 with a sig radius of 90. We aren't overheating MWD or points here because we have to hold the target for a few minutes.
vs. a vanilla armor buffer SFI shooting Barrage, the Executioner takes ~30 dps, but the Malediction only takes ~10 dps.
vs. a nano Zealot shooting Scorch, the Executioner takes ~140 dps, but the Malediction only takes ~15 dps.
vs. a Rapid Light Missile Caracal shooting CN Mjolnirs, the Executioner takes ~125 DPS, but the Malediction only takes ~70 dps.
I don't see how the T1 version is better as a fleet tackler, except from a price point of view. But since Intys are so inexpensive in the first place, it's like choosing between buying a Coke or a generic store brand cola: you can spend $0.50 on the generic or $2.00 on the Coke. Go ahead and save your $1.50. |
Batelle
Aliastra
114
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Posted - 2013.01.10 18:36:00 -
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Am I in a frig gang that needs more dps and has plenty of tackle ? -> Taranis
Am I in a gang of 5 people or less ? -> Taranis
Am I solo ? -> Taranis
Does the gang need someone that can maintain a point while staying alive? - > Ares
Does the gang need someone that can quick tackle on a gate? - > Ares
Does the gang need someone primarily as a tackle/scout ? - > Ares
I always put a sig amp on my ares, extending the lock range past 40km and allowing 6 targets (helpful vs drones), and of course improving the scan res. I prefer to fit a scram and a disruptor. Undecided on weather to use a DC or not.
On my Taranis I like fitting a nos (often have to use a 'knave'), blasters, and mwd/web/scram. Typically my fits are extremely tight on cpu and pg, so switching to a disruptor is not always a simple task. Maybe I need a mwd/disruptor/web/rails fit for when I need to be able to tackle on gates, web, and dogfight.
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