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Nox Frigaton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.01.08 23:36:00 - [1] - Quote My dps is lowish, about 130 or so, and I can't bust through these guys armor repair, even with 5 light drones on them. I don't get it, level 2 mission this hard, really? Is this normal, a blood raider thing, or what? Keep in mind, most missions I get are easy and things die quick, then once in a while, this crap.
Akuma Tsukai 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 97	Posted - 2013.01.08 23:44:00 - [2] - Quote 130dps for lvl 2?!?!?! starts laughing like a maniak Im afraid to ask but WTF you fly in? T1 omen does more than that with crappy skills.
Nox Frigaton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.01.09 00:38:00 - [3] - Quote I've outfitted many ships, including a destroyer with 8 level 2 energy beams and barely broke 150 (coercer). glad that's funny to you though. It's a drake, outfitted with 7 limos heavy launchers with scourge missiles and two BCS Is (standard, not named). 4 light drones.
Cage Man Evil Guinea Pigs 144	Posted - 2013.01.09 01:39:00 - [4] - Quote What is the mission called? also HML are not the best to be shooting frigs, if that is what they are, with low missile support skills. try fitting light launchers. Still, shouldn't have a problem, but I can't find the mission so can't say for sure what is going on.
Chelly Tau Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 7	Posted - 2013.01.09 04:51:00 - [5] - Quote Nox Frigaton wrote: I've outfitted many ships, including a destroyer with 8 level 2 energy beams and barely broke 150 (coercer). glad that's funny to you though. It's a drake, outfitted with 7 limos heavy launchers with scourge missiles and two BCS Is (standard, not named). 4 light drones. Try fitting 2 light missile launchers instead of heavies, that's what I did when I did lv3 missions since I was in a Drake with only Drones 4 like you. I put LMLs in because I found frigates are usually the ones leftover in the end and take forever to kill with HMLs, even with a target painter fitted. In fact, since you're doing lv2 you might want to use more than 2, test it out and find a balance between the optimal number of LMLs for frigates and HMLs for anything bigger. Oh, and think about fitting 4 BCS. I can't really think of anything else that's worth putting in the lows since having 2 rat-specific shield hardeners and 2 large shield extenders I almost never had any problem with my tank, even with just 1.5mil-ish SP when I started doing lv3.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 936	Posted - 2013.01.09 05:00:00 - [6] - Quote Elder is Blood Raiders' elite tag. They have much higher resists than normal -- enough to screw with your kinetic bonus. Try firing Mjolnir missiles at them instead. Also, BCUs. At least two, preferably four for L2s.
Matthew97 Pro Synergy ARK. 150	Posted - 2013.01.09 09:00:00 - [7] - Quote The bigger question is..... Why are you using a drake to do level 2's?
Cage Man Evil Guinea Pigs 144	Posted - 2013.01.09 18:56:00 - [8] - Quote Matthew97 wrote: The bigger question is..... Why are you using a drake to do level 2's? Probably because he can't fly a T3 yet
Kery Nysell Nysell Incorporated 60	Posted - 2013.01.09 19:33:00 - [9] - Quote Caracal + Rapid Light Launchers + AB + tank + BCSes + Mjolnir Light Missiles = problem solved. A Battlecruiser is overkill for the level 2 missions, even more so with Heavy/Heavy Assault missiles, as you'll be facing more Frigates than Cruisers ... of course, that's another story for level 3 missions, where the ratio of Frigates/Cruisers is inversed. That said, with almost perfect Missile skills, I can do level 2 missions in a Corax with Light Missiles, without needing my tank ... speed + range (47 kms with Tech 2 Furies) mean I can dictate what hits me, and I usually melt Frigates in 1 to 3 volleys, 3 to 6 for Cruisers ... BTW, work on your skills, 130ish DPS with Heavy Missiles is terribad, I can get up to 185+ with Light Missiles ...
Kate Stenton Four Pillar Production Headshot Gaming 37	Posted - 2013.01.09 20:34:00 - [10] - Quote The listed 150dps is only if your missiles are hitting for full damage. Against elite frigs they are doing almost nothing. Even though your Corercer might seem weaker, it will actually apply more damage than HML's. A Drake in L2 missions is not ideal, use a Caracal as suggested or a Destroyer or something designed to kill smaller ships.

Flakey Foont 201	Posted - 2013.01.09 20:39:00 - [11] - Quote This is what happens when one rushes into ships they can't fly properly.
Cage Man Evil Guinea Pigs 144	Posted - 2013.01.09 20:55:00 - [12] - Quote Eve is supposed to be about fun, do it your way and ignore the trolls... put the light launchers on the drake and you will be fine.
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance 526	Posted - 2013.01.09 21:12:00 - [13] - Quote Rapid LML's should work aswell.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 943	Posted - 2013.01.09 21:39:00 - [14] - Quote Kate Stenton wrote: The listed 150dps is only if your missiles are hitting for full damage. Against elite frigs they are doing almost nothing. Even though your Corercer might seem weaker, it will actually apply more damage than HML's. A Drake in L2 missions is not ideal, use a Caracal as suggested or a Destroyer or something designed to kill smaller ships. Again, the specific ships mentioned are not elite frigates. They are elite cruisers. RLMLs may and may not help against them; it depends on the fit and missile support skills. But I guarantee switching to Mjolnir will make a difference.
Piugattuk Lima beans Corp 287	Posted - 2013.01.09 22:48:00 - [15] - Quote Did you fit ballistic control units? More dps, with low skills you would be better off using light missiles esp lvl 2's cause there's nothing in lvl 2's that should be able to tank 7 lights hitting them, stay away from heavies until your skills improve for heavies otherwise you get this. Keep in mind with low skills you will still have trouble with elite frigs. 2. Bigger isn't always better try a destroyer like corax rocket or light fit put an AB on and shield booster, and rocket fuel rigs for range and you'll hit them out over 50 km with lights.
Musashi Date 25TH miss 37	Posted - 2013.01.10 03:32:00 - [16] - Quote Most likely this is Recon 1, I remember doing one for hours with a low SP Arbitrator totally ignoring my orders to just 'recon'.
Barrogh Habalu Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 369	Posted - 2013.01.10 04:37:00 - [17] - Quote Musashi Date wrote: Most likely this is Recon 1, I remember doing one for hours with a low SP Arbitrator totally ignoring my orders to just 'recon'. This is what I think, but I'm not sure since I've never seen BR version of it. If that's the case, you should ignore anything that spawns there, you aren't really supposed to kill them in that mission. Chances are that you can't do that at this point, and later in the game (say, with lvl4 version of Recon) it's sometimes not worth it. Don't forget your prop mod to finish Recon in timely matter. By the way, elite cruisers adequately go down to something like 150 DPS of best damage type or so, I believe, but even if I'm not mistaken there, it's still tedious.
Bugsy VanHalen Society of lost Souls 409	Posted - 2013.01.10 15:04:00 - [18] - Quote Nox Frigaton wrote: I've outfitted many ships, including a destroyer with 8 level 2 energy beams and barely broke 150 (coercer). glad that's funny to you though. It's a drake, outfitted with 7 limos heavy launchers with scourge missiles and two BCS Is (standard, not named). 4 light drones. Well there is your problem. It is not your DPS per say. Level 2 missions are not meant to be done with battlecruisers. the medium guns, or in your case, heavy missiles have trouble hitting the small fast targets. Level 2 missions should not be run in anything bigger than a cruiser. They are actually balanced for destroyers. Level 3 missions is when you should be getting into a battlecruiser. But you must have your support skills up. Being able to fit the launchers does you know good if you do not have the support skills for them to apply damage. Not that a drake can not do these missions. You should certainly have zero issues with tank. Try fitting a full rack of rapid light missile launchers. light missiles hit small targets much harder than heavy missiles. Small targets, like the NPC's you get in level 2 missions, are much easier to kill with light missiles than with heavy missiles. You should get Missile Launcher Operation (MLO) to 4 now, and to 5 ASAP if you do not already have it. missile support skills you need to train and their prerequsite MLO level include; Guided missile precision - MLO 5 Missile bombardment - MLO 1 Missile projection - MLO 3 rapid launch - MLO 2 Target navigation prediction - MLO 2 warhead upgrades - MLO 4 To fly a drake well, you should have all of these to at least 4. but even having them to 2-3 will make a huge difference over not having them at all. These skills require increasingly high levels of missile launcher operation before you can inject them. Guided missile precision, the skill that allows you to hit smaller targets with larger missiles requires missile launcher operation 5 before you can even start training it. Without it you will not do much damage to frigates with heavy missiles. Missiles are great for PVE, but without training ALL the support skills you will find the low damage application very frustrating.Get the prerequsites to at least 4 and you should be able to fly even most level 4 missions with your drake. Although it may be a little slow.
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1094	Posted - 2013.01.10 17:05:00 - [19] - Quote Zhilia Mann wrote: Elder is Blood Raiders' elite tag. They have much higher resists than normal -- enough to screw with your kinetic bonus. Try firing Mjolnir missiles at them instead. Also, BCUs. At least two, preferably four for L2s. FOUR BCUs? Are you serious?? This is how people learn how to NOT fly a boat... "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." -á --- Sorlac
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 943	Posted - 2013.01.10 22:11:00 - [20] - Quote Ginger Barbarella wrote: Zhilia Mann wrote: Elder is Blood Raiders' elite tag. They have much higher resists than normal -- enough to screw with your kinetic bonus. Try firing Mjolnir missiles at them instead. Also, BCUs. At least two, preferably four for L2s. FOUR BCUs? Are you serious?? This is how people learn how to NOT fly a boat... For L2s? Yes, I'm serious. If you're going to take a Drake into an L2 you might as well get as much damage out of it as possible. I'd probably go with three rigors too. It's not like L2s test your tank.

Kery Nysell Nysell Incorporated 60	Posted - 2013.01.10 22:14:00 - [21] - Quote Zhilia Mann wrote: Ginger Barbarella wrote: Zhilia Mann wrote: Elder is Blood Raiders' elite tag. They have much higher resists than normal -- enough to screw with your kinetic bonus. Try firing Mjolnir missiles at them instead. Also, BCUs. At least two, preferably four for L2s. FOUR BCUs? Are you serious?? This is how people learn how to NOT fly a boat... For L2s? Yes, I'm serious. If you're going to take a Drake into an L2 you might as well get as much damage out of it as possible. I'd probably go with three rigors too. It's not like L2s test your tank. He has a point, you know ... I can do level 2 missions in a Corax without needing hardeners or a shield booster ... once you kill the rats fast enough, passive regen of a very small shield is enough ... never mind with the huge shield and terrific regen of a Drake ... My skills : http://eveboard.com/pilot/Kery_Nysell
Cage Man Evil Guinea Pigs 148	Posted - 2013.01.10 23:07:00 - [22] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: Zhilia Mann wrote: Ginger Barbarella wrote: Zhilia Mann wrote: Elder is Blood Raiders' elite tag. They have much higher resists than normal -- enough to screw with your kinetic bonus. Try firing Mjolnir missiles at them instead. Also, BCUs. At least two, preferably four for L2s. FOUR BCUs? Are you serious?? This is how people learn how to NOT fly a boat... For L2s? Yes, I'm serious. If you're going to take a Drake into an L2 you might as well get as much damage out of it as possible. I'd probably go with three rigors too. It's not like L2s test your tank. He has a point, you know ... I can do level 2 missions in a Corax without needing hardeners or a shield booster ... once you kill the rats fast enough, passive regen of a very small shield is enough ... never mind with the huge shield and terrific regen of a Drake ... And lucky for us eve is so easy to play you don't need to know anything about how to minimize damage by spiraling\manual piloting and on day 2 you can T2 fit and fly any ship out as you skills are all bumped up to level 5 so its easy to fit, fly and use destroyers like battlecruisers...
Kathina Tryndal The Mitre Corporation 10	Posted - 2013.01.10 23:07:00 - [23] - Quote If you're having trouble running level 2 missions in a drake, then you've got fitting problems - even if it's against EM damage (which is the Caldari weakness, of course). Having said that, the first thing you should do is get the battlecruiser skill to level 4. (And think about raising it level 5 at some point in the near future, if planning on learning any other race's BC skills, and if so, learn all the cuiser skills to level 3 too). This will increase your basic tank to the point that you can afford to fit 3 BCS and one SPR in the low slots. It will also increase your damage with kinetic missiles. (I don't recommend 4 BCS - a Shield power relay does too much for its defence to go without one - you just don't need 2). In the mids, I recommend you fit 2 LSE, 3 faction hardners (2 primary and 1 secondary - the secondary can also be used as a utility slot if necessary) and an AB. If you can't fit that, then you need to work on your fitting skills. This fitting will deal with anything you run up against in both level 2 and 3 missions, and should have no problems killing pretty much anything, or tanking them until they die if necessary. I then upgraded to CN BCS's and (due to all the tags I had) RF HML's. (P.s. level 2 missions are really meant for cruisers, not destroyers as someone said - I can't imagine doing Mission of mercy that easily in my cormorant, even with 18M SP - though some of the easier missions can certainly be done in one, just like the basic level 3 and 4 missions can be done in a smaller ship).
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 193	Posted - 2013.01.11 02:54:00 - [24] - Quote Barrogh Habalu wrote: Musashi Date wrote: Most likely this is Recon 1, I remember doing one for hours with a low SP Arbitrator totally ignoring my orders to just 'recon'. This is what I think, but I'm not sure since I've never seen BR version of it. If that's the case, you should ignore anything that spawns there, you aren't really supposed to kill them in that mission. Chances are that you can't do that at this point, and later in the game (say, with lvl4 version of Recon) it's sometimes not worth it. Don't forget your prop mod to finish Recon in timely matter. By the way, elite cruisers adequately go down to something like 150 DPS of best damage type or so, I believe, but even if I'm not mistaken there, it's still tedious. I was doing level 2 missions for some standings and got Recon vs blood raiders... them buggers are annoying. 100% recommend just blitzing and not trying to fight in that version of recon (well unless you are over shipped and over skilled, and then you probably can find a better use of your time)


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