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boogabooga443	Posted - 2005.06.20 08:02:00 - [1] Can someone post a comparison on how well each different BS fairs in PVP? What it can do well and what it sucks at. Also including how much SP would be required to use one effectivelly. As far as caldari BSes, consider the changes that the new patch would bring in. Thanks.
Bad'Boy	Posted - 2005.06.20 08:08:00 - [2] use your main, then I'll tell ya MAXSuicide > I LOVE U SIIM MAXSuicide > lets go outback for a quicky siim > that was so desperate attempt
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.06.20 08:52:00 - [3] Originally by: Bad'Boy use your main, then I'll tell ya No you wouldn't Originally by: Eris Discordia gives Typherin some loving
Bad'Boy	Posted - 2005.06.20 08:59:00 - [4] Originally by: Typherin laidai Originally by: Bad'Boy use your main, then I'll tell ya No you wouldn't nop, I dont like typing MAXSuicide > I LOVE U SIIM MAXSuicide > lets go outback for a quicky siim > that was so desperate attempt
pshepherd	Posted - 2005.06.20 09:25:00 - [5] all battleships are good in different roles... Megathron, extreme close range or longer range Raven, close to medium range Tempest, Extreme long range Apoc, all ranges
mahhy	Posted - 2005.06.20 09:29:00 - [6] Originally by: pshepherd all battleships are good in different roles... Megathron, extreme close range or longer range Raven, close to medium range Tempest, Extreme long range Apoc, all ranges Arma, close range ganker. Apoc, med to long range. Don't use it close range, its not where its strength is, least IMO.
Weco	Posted - 2005.06.20 09:40:00 - [7] Most of the turret based BS have about the same reqs in skilltraining. Megathron - Pure damage ship, either short range with blasters and do moore damage then any other BS (maybe t2 pulse geddon will do same damage) or fit rails and still do very good damage over very good range. Dominix - never flown the ship, i see alot of ppl using kinda kinky setups on it though, smartbombs, nosferatus e.t.c. Tempest - Seems to be the flavour of the month in the "warp in at 100km gank a BS wap out"-tactic. Tempest does tremendous damage in one volley but it has kinda slow RoF. Typhoon - Can get extreme range due to its bonuses, only 4 turret hp so it loses half its bonuses, shame. To lazy to write about the other BS. ----------------------------------- What he said?
ELECTR0FREAK	Posted - 2005.06.20 10:00:00 - [8] Haven't seen anyone mention the scorp... Scorpion - The ultimate in defense and support, excels at preventing other ships from firing. Also can be set up to tank like crazy. Damage output is pretty low however.
Nanus Parkite	Posted - 2005.06.20 11:12:00 - [9] Tempest can easily compete at close range with a Mega or Raven if you have the know how.
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.06.20 12:03:00 - [10] at the end of the day go Geddon :D Best Amarr Sniper (before you start,, The Apoc DOESNT make a better sniper) Best DoT of any ship (I think) 2nd Best looking bs ... the Batmobile has to win really Originally by: Eris Discordia gives Typherin some loving
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2005.06.20 12:13:00 - [11] 1on1 nuffin can beat a nos domy or 4nos/4siege typhoon. They are pretty uber, but only useful in 1on1 or small group combat Forums: Sharks - MC
ShadowlordUK	Posted - 2005.06.20 12:43:00 - [12] Edited by: ShadowlordUK on 20/06/2005 12:44:56 Originally by: Eyeshadow 1on1 nuffin can beat a nos domy or 4nos/4siege typhoon. They are pretty uber, but only useful in 1on1 or small group combat Lol, You sure about that? I can think of plenty of ships / setups that would beat both those two... (In a game of rock/paper/scissors you can never say a particualar bs is best. Although some are best in very specific situations..)
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.06.20 12:47:00 - [13] Edited by: Typherin laidai on 20/06/2005 12:51:08 Originally by: ShadowlordUK Edited by: ShadowlordUK on 20/06/2005 12:44:56 Originally by: Eyeshadow 1on1 nuffin can beat a nos domy or 4nos/4siege typhoon. They are pretty uber, but only useful in 1on1 or small group combat Lol, You sure about that? I can think of plenty of ships / setups that would beat both those two... (In a game of rock/paper/scissors you can never say a particualar bs is best. Although some are best in very specific situations..) 4 NoS typhoon will be ripped to shreds by a standard tech II Gankageddon before those NoS's have any real affect... And as to the rock paper scis.. comparrison... Mw uahahaha WRONG ! My tactic for who skins up next using this game is unbeaten... the Jedi Approach Tell your m8's your gunna go Scissors every time and that your going to win... Jedi powers yada yada.. then do exactly what you said you win lol Mind controll ? mebbe not ... but who knows Originally by: Eris Discordia gives Typherin some loving
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2005.06.20 12:49:00 - [14] If you like drones, go for a Dominix. If you like medium range ganking, go for an Armageddon. If you like EW, go for a Scorpion. If you like a bit of everything, go for a Typhoon. If you like close range gunnery, go for Megathron. If you like tanking, go for an Apocalypse. If you like missiles, go for a Raven. If you like sniping, go for a Tempest. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2005.06.20 13:43:00 - [15] Originally by: ShadowlordUK Edited by: ShadowlordUK on 20/06/2005 12:44:56 Originally by: Eyeshadow 1on1 nuffin can beat a nos domy or 4nos/4siege typhoon. They are pretty uber, but only useful in 1on1 or small group combat Lol, You sure about that? I can think of plenty of ships / setups that would beat both those two... (In a game of rock/paper/scissors you can never say a particualar bs is best. Although some are best in very specific situations..) domi lands 10k from geddon. dead geddon domi lands 30k from geddon. dead domi its all situational of course. and a nos domi doesnt run just nos, its usually a combination of nos + neut. Plus it can tank, which ur gankageddon cant. I have seen a setup that can strip over 1k cap per cycle so thats what 2 cycles b4 ur caps dead running multis in a typical ganka (with 8 HS and no cap rechargers). Meanwhile the hvy tank on the domi is soaking up some of the dmg ur giving out. Fair enuf u would kill him given time, but a dual large rep will tank a ganka for a while. After about 20-30 seconds u got no cap, all the time his 13-15 hvy drones have been tearing u up At range, of course the geddon would win but who would fight a geddon at 30kms these days? Forums: Sharks - MC
Shirei	Posted - 2005.06.20 13:48:00 - [16] Edited by: Shirei on 20/06/2005 13:49:15 Originally by: Eyeshadow After about 20-30 seconds u got no cap, all the time his 13-15 hvy drones have been tearing u up 30 seconds is plenty of time for a gankageddon with t2 guns to kill almost anything. Unless you kit the domi specifically for fighting amarr ships (e.g. armor tank with 2 EM + 2 thermal hardeners) or the Geddon lands VERY close from the domi (so that it gets major tracking problems), the Geddon will probably kill it before its cap dies.
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2005.06.20 13:52:00 - [17] Originally by: Shirei 30 seconds is plenty of time for a gankageddon with t2 guns to kill almost anything. Unless you kit the domi specifically for fighting amarr ships (e.g. armor tank with 2 EM + 2 thermal hardeners) or the Geddon lands VERY close from the domi (so that it gets major tracking problems), the Geddon will probably kill it before its cap dies. actually u can tank a tech2 ganka with 2 large, 1 em and 2 thermal for over a minute b4 the extra dmg he does starts breaking through adn trust me there aint no way his cap will last anywhere near a minute Forums: Sharks - MC
Shirei	Posted - 2005.06.20 13:54:00 - [18] Edited by: Shirei on 20/06/2005 13:54:50 That is exactly what I said.. Unless you tailor your tank towards the ship you are fighting against (as you are doing with 1 EM + 2 thermal hardeners), you have no chance. But with prior knowledge about the ship you are fighting against, any ship can counter any other (EW 4tw).
Meridius	Posted - 2005.06.20 15:40:00 - [19] If you don't put an EM hardner on your tank you really need to rethink things. What ships do tanks fear the most? Gank ships. What damage type is most common in gank ships? Tempest with EMP = 45% EM // 36% EXP // 18% Kin Armageddon = 58% EM output // 42% Thrm Megathron = 58% Kin // 42% Thrm Personally i would go with 1x EM, 2x Thrm, 1 EXP. That will give you protection from ganking Tempests as the DOT they output isn't that great as well as good protection from gankgeddons. It leaves you with limited protections from gankathrons but you can't have everything I'm pretty sure tempest and geddons are found more in gank setups then megas are or at least, are more common. 80% EM res comes in handy ________________________________________________________
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.06.20 15:48:00 - [20] Originally by: Meridius 80% EM res comes in handy /me pets claw Someone make me a sig :(
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.06.20 16:48:00 - [21] only problem with armor tanked domi is, that it doesn't really have the grid for all the nosfs you would want. I'm starting to think about shield tank there, but that is problem with 5 med slots, as you need something to hold the inCAPacitated geddon there. With shield tank(7x pduII), you can easily put on 4x nosf + 2x neut or even 3nosf 3neuts. But cycle on the neuts is 24s, and that is too long. (so you kill like 2200 cap in the start and another 2200 after 24s). So the question is, can you survive 24s?
Meridius	Posted - 2005.06.20 17:31:00 - [22] Edited by: Meridius on 20/06/2005 17:31:08 Originally by: LUKEC So the question is, can you survive 24s? With 1 EM, 2 Thrm... A geddon doing 1100DPS will be doing 288.75 DPS on armor after resists are factored in... You will last in order of shields/armor/structure... Shields 4.4sec Armor 17sec + 4.98sec dual armor rep =21.98sec Structure 4.8sec + one more dual armor rep you'll get 4.98sec =9.78 36.16seconds total ________________________________________________________
Stormfront	Posted - 2005.06.20 18:50:00 - [23] Mega, great sniper, even better close range ganker Tempest, best burst DMG at range, and one of the best 1v1 close range BS available Raven, till new patch, very versatile lone BS for short range fights. Decent tank, kills friggies like no other. Scorp, only REAL EW BS in game, so a clear niche. Dominix, as someone said, blob in a can. Great ganker/tanker or nos setup. A Good ship if setup right Apoc, best tank in game.. decent sniper. Not a huge fan though Arma best ganker in game for mid/short range fights.
Zungen	Posted - 2005.06.20 18:52:00 - [24] Originally by: Eyeshadow 1on1 nuffin can beat a nos domy or 4nos/4siege typhoon. They are pretty uber, but only useful in 1on1 or small group combat i think a dreadnaught could :P :P :P
Stormfront	Posted - 2005.06.20 18:55:00 - [25] If you are talking about basic setups without boosters, then nossing ships do have the edge on regular setups. However, cap boosted (800) solo setup Armas, Domis, tempests and Megathrons can beat these nossers.

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