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Ciba Lexlulu
United Evian Peace Corp
3
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Posted - 2013.01.11 00:41:00 -
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Dear CCP,
I understand that you are taking feedback on removing local. There have been a lot of whine/scream/complain about local being too good etc from the low and nullsec residence.
I would like to highlight that local serves much more than just intel. For me, local has been a major source of meeting people in lowsec (where I primarily lives). Although my corp is a 'highsec' corp and most of my corpmates are highseccer, I live in lowsec 90% of the time. With no corpmates in lowsec and as an 'EvE born', I find local as a great way to say hi (o/) and 'meet' with people there. I am not too concern with pirates; i don't mind losing my hyper bling ship since I earn enough in lowsec to cover them (don't fly what you cannot afford to lose). I am sure that my experience is shared by many in EvE and not unique. I don't enjoy WH for reasons that it 'feels' empty and no interaction.
IMHO, EvE is a 'social' game. If we are solely interested in pixelated spaceship, there are others in the market that offer 'better' graphic and mechanics (X series anyone?) - however, the social aspect of EvE makes it unique (in good and bad way).
If CCP removes local completely, I fear that some part of the social aspect of EvE will be lost and the game will be worse off.
Please do not completely remove Local... this is a social game not just an internet spaceship pew pew game.
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Maire Gheren
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
89
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Posted - 2013.01.11 00:52:00 -
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I dont think Local should be removed either. but i dont think it should have the list of everyone on it, just those who have spoken recently. I would much rather we have a window that contains various info as we might gather from the star map about the system we are in instead, complete with its' various delays and ambiguity about identities. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6304
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Posted - 2013.01.11 00:58:00 -
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People who advocate for the removal of local simply think that 0.0 will become a roaming paradise. It won't, and all of the potential targets will simply put PvE alts in hisec, which is now much safer than ever before. Mining would (probably) not take a serious hit since the only added effort would be dscanning for probes, since most 0.0 mining is done in grav sites. ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. ~~~~i am god~~~~ |

Ciba Lexlulu
United Evian Peace Corp
3
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Posted - 2013.01.11 01:02:00 -
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Maire Gheren wrote:I dont think Local should be removed either. but i dont think it should have the list of everyone on it, just those who have spoken recently. I would much rather we have a window that contains various info as we might gather from the star map about the system we are in instead, complete with its' various delays and ambiguity about identities. This would actually be a plus in ways. If I am in a system, I might be interested to know about a recent spike in pod killing.
Unfortunately, that will nerf the social aspect of the game (at least for me). I roam alot. Whenever I jump into the system and meet people, I start chatting with them.
I am not a member of 10,000 alliances that can meet thousands of people everyday. I like the social aspect of the game and at the same time do a bit of pew pew.. nerfing local will definitely affect my [in game] social life.
I believe null is less relevant since whenever i roam in nullsec, i hardly meet anyone there. Local seems to be less relevant. However lowsec is still fairly populated.
Interestingly, i find local in highsec to be quite useless. The channel is either full of spammers or there are too many people to be able to actually talk to them (1453 people in local?). |

Merouk Baas
409
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Posted - 2013.01.11 01:58:00 -
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What do you think about a 30 second delay, rather than instantaneous like it is now? |

XxRTEKxX
Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution
45
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Posted - 2013.01.11 02:00:00 -
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You can still say hi or hello even if local is delayed like in wormholes. Might not get a response, but I've met a lot of people in wormholes just by saying hi.
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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1000
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Posted - 2013.01.11 02:06:00 -
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If anything just merge local with const chat. That way you still have the social aspect, without the ability to gain immediate intel on x system. Even with removing local you could still be social, since the people who are going to talk in local will do so anyways, or not at all. That part won't change much. |

Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
386
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Posted - 2013.01.11 02:43:00 -
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So, once again we go down the path of "I want to get easier kills on 0.0 carebears....REMOVE LOCAL!"
Get better at flying your ship, maybe find a ship that can and is willing to fight back......
Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
515
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Posted - 2013.01.11 03:21:00 -
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What about just making an obligatory "constellation chat" or simply clustering systems so immediate local chat works if you are in the same "cluster" but still works like w-space for everyone in the same system? I would also keep the total number of players in local showing. "I do want to point out one "abuse" thing I did see however. *snipped* Please do not post details of possible exploits on the forums. - CCP Eterne" ... Because of Falcon. |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2538
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Posted - 2013.01.11 03:24:00 -
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doesn't seem to help wormholes, delayed local is there and it is statistically the safest sec-space other then highsec |
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James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
3185
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Posted - 2013.01.11 03:36:00 -
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Merouk Baas wrote:What do you think about a 30 second delay, rather than instantaneous like it is now? No. Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |

EvEa Deva
State War Academy Caldari State
194
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Posted - 2013.01.11 03:45:00 -
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I think the Devs need to base the next expansion on something other than forum whine, O you say nerf highsec income? i say remove local.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2538
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Posted - 2013.01.11 03:48:00 -
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ban npc corps |

James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
3188
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Posted - 2013.01.11 03:49:00 -
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EvEa Deva wrote:I think the Devs need to base the next expansion on something other than forum whine, O you say nerf highsec income? i say remove local.
No. Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |

Rain6639
Team Evil
78
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Posted - 2013.01.11 03:51:00 -
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Nicolo, James... are you gents related?
to cannibal kane  mass login record breaker attempt.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192504 |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2538
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Posted - 2013.01.11 03:52:00 -
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Amarryan Pride World Wide |

James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
3188
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Posted - 2013.01.11 03:53:00 -
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Rain6639 wrote:Nicolo, James... are you gents related? to cannibal kane  Who? Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |

Irya Boone
Escadron leader
154
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Posted - 2013.01.11 03:55:00 -
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yeah 30 sec delay and in 3 months people will [ ] for a 90 sec delay ...... Improve C2 class WH More anos more signs ...RENAME null sec system With the name Of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It xill be awesome-á |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6305
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Posted - 2013.01.11 03:57:00 -
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EvEa Deva wrote:I think the Devs need to base the next expansion on something other than forum whine, O you say nerf highsec income? i say remove local.
remove concord too ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. ~~~~i am god~~~~ |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6305
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Posted - 2013.01.11 03:58:00 -
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oh wait, your risk-averse asocial playstyle demands that NPCs fight your battles
carry on ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. ~~~~i am god~~~~ |
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1132
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Posted - 2013.01.11 04:14:00 -
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Andski wrote:People who advocate for the removal of local simply think that 0.0 will become a roaming paradise. It won't, and all of the potential targets will simply put PvE alts in hisec, which is now much safer than ever before. Mining would (probably) not take a serious hit since the only added effort would be dscanning for probes, since most 0.0 mining is done in grav sites.
Well said.
There are just way to many things that need to change abot the game before no local + gate access would do anything but wreck null sec and low sec. Some of our wormhole bros (who always say "hey, we live in wormholes and no local is fine") don't quite take into account sometimes.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6306
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Posted - 2013.01.11 04:16:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Well said.
There are just way to many things that need to change abot the game before no local + gate access would do anything but wreck null sec and low sec. Some of our wormhole bros (who always say "hey, we live in wormholes and no local is fine") don't quite take into account sometimes.
Until, of course, you mention that one should be able to jump to cynos in wormholes. Then they get ~upset~ ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. ~~~~i am god~~~~ |

Jaan Thiesant
Vectis Covert Solutions
1
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Posted - 2013.01.11 04:17:00 -
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I live in w-space and i like this game more with the current Local mechanics here, but that's my personal opinion. I don't care how the k-space players live because i don't plan to go back there.
Hats off to Verge of Collapse and the rest of wormholers for giving to EvE a real meaning. Keep up with the good work. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
3295
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Posted - 2013.01.11 04:45:00 -
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Ciba Lexlulu wrote:Dear CCP,
I understand that you are taking feedback on removing local. There have been a lot of whine/scream/complain about local being too good etc from the low and nullsec residence.
I would like to highlight that local serves much more than just intel. For me, local has been a major source of meeting people in lowsec (where I primarily lives). Although my corp is a 'highsec' corp and most of my corpmates are highseccer, I live in lowsec 90% of the time. With no corpmates in lowsec and as an 'EvE born', I find local as a great way to say hi (o/) and 'meet' with people there. I am not too concern with pirates; i don't mind losing my hyper bling ship since I earn enough in lowsec to cover them (don't fly what you cannot afford to lose). I am sure that my experience is shared by many in EvE and not unique. I don't enjoy WH for reasons that it 'feels' empty and no interaction.
IMHO, EvE is a 'social' game. If we are solely interested in pixelated spaceship, there are others in the market that offer 'better' graphic and mechanics (X series anyone?) - however, the social aspect of EvE makes it unique (in good and bad way).
If CCP removes local completely, I fear that some part of the social aspect of EvE will be lost and the game will be worse off.
Please do not completely remove Local... this is a social game not just an internet spaceship pew pew game.
You worry too much. Period. America is the only country to go from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |

Ciba Lexlulu
United Evian Peace Corp
3
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Posted - 2013.01.11 05:51:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Ciba Lexlulu wrote:Dear CCP,
I understand that you are taking feedback on removing local. There have been a lot of whine/scream/complain about local being too good etc from the low and nullsec residence.
I would like to highlight that local serves much more than just intel. For me, local has been a major source of meeting people in lowsec (where I primarily lives). Although my corp is a 'highsec' corp and most of my corpmates are highseccer, I live in lowsec 90% of the time. With no corpmates in lowsec and as an 'EvE born', I find local as a great way to say hi (o/) and 'meet' with people there. I am not too concern with pirates; i don't mind losing my hyper bling ship since I earn enough in lowsec to cover them (don't fly what you cannot afford to lose). I am sure that my experience is shared by many in EvE and not unique. I don't enjoy WH for reasons that it 'feels' empty and no interaction.
IMHO, EvE is a 'social' game. If we are solely interested in pixelated spaceship, there are others in the market that offer 'better' graphic and mechanics (X series anyone?) - however, the social aspect of EvE makes it unique (in good and bad way).
If CCP removes local completely, I fear that some part of the social aspect of EvE will be lost and the game will be worse off.
Please do not completely remove Local... this is a social game not just an internet spaceship pew pew game.
You worry too much. Period.
Unfortunately, I don't believe so. Removing local will reduce social interaction. Frankly, since I am a relatively noob in EvE, I don't know the reason why people asking local to be removed. Is it the nullseccer/pirates want easier time to hunt targets? Or 'bear' wanted the protection while roaming.
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Kestrix
Industrial Renaissance MinTek Conglomerate
57
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Posted - 2013.01.11 06:40:00 -
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Just say that local comes through a 'transmitter' in the ship and give us an on and off switch... Transmitter on and you can be seen in local and can see others in local and chat... set it to off and your not listed in the local channel and you can't see who else is in local or chat. |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3930

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Posted - 2013.01.11 06:49:00 -
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Thread moved from GD to F&I - ISD Type40. ISD Type40 Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
3194
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Posted - 2013.01.11 08:13:00 -
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Kestrix wrote:Just say that local comes through a 'transmitter' in the ship and give us an on and off switch... Transmitter on and you can be seen in local and can see others in local and chat... set it to off and your not listed in the local channel and you can't see who else is in local or chat. No. Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |

Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
2192
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Posted - 2013.01.11 08:35:00 -
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+1 for keeping local the way it is. Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
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