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Craterius
Symple Onez
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Posted - 2013.01.12 20:12:00 -
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Eve has been my favorite game for years. At times, my only game. Above all, I love the sandbox, so I and/or my friends can take off and do what we want.
Dust as implemented is a different game from "Old Eve". FPS? Not on PC? Skill points as rewards? Contrived combat/interaction between players?
Not for me, or anyone I know. Reports on the forums here and elsewhere appear lukewarm. Not a good sign for a major new game. Perhaps enough completely new players will be enticed to make it pay off. Who knows?
I hope Dust is successful, so long as it does not ruin "Eve as we know it' in the process. A DEV wrote me many months ago that playing Dust through Eve was "optional". It is ok to experiment. I am just hoping that if, or when, Dust blows up (figuratively) speaking as a game, it does not take the Old Eve with it. |
Zanzbar
Shads Shadow
110
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Posted - 2013.01.12 21:03:00 -
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To be fair this forum is not a good place to get a measure of dust player experience, if you go on the dust beta forums where people aren't restricted by nda then you get a much clearer picture. |
Craterius
Symple Onez
36
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Posted - 2013.01.12 21:31:00 -
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It is hard to judge, from official forums like Sony's Playstation forum on Dust 514, just what is going on. There are continuing complaints that Sony is deleting negative comments about Dust. Even comments that were online for a while are now deleted. Not too surprising, I suppose. Big money is involved.
The general tone of most comments I have seen, here and even on the Playstation forum is rather cool toward Dust. Nothing like the enthusiasm you usually see upon release of a genuinely exciting game, of any kind.
This is way too bad, for the reasons in the title of this thread. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1049
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Posted - 2013.01.12 21:47:00 -
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Anyone that's actually been playing dust for any real length of time is constrained from talking about it, by the NDA.
Deletion of any kind of comment would be explained by this.
And the game isn't released yet. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
Winters Chill
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
82
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Posted - 2013.01.13 14:46:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:
And the game isn't released yet.
Everyone Ive spoken to while playing Dust is having a good time. Even the habitual complainers keep coming back for more.
If you arn't playing there is absolutely no reason to comment on it. Unless your actually trying to look foolish, in which case, mission accomplished. |
Laris Orwan
Industrial Justice Corporation
14
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Posted - 2013.01.14 15:00:00 -
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I've been playing on and off since the first beta keys... All I will say is that it is loads better than a couple of months ago and in squads that communicate its a lot of fun. Definitely not a lone wolf type of game unless you like sniping I guess.
The graphics still feel a little way off for me compared to its peers but again they have improved loads in the last few months and graphics upgrades like foliage, animations, frame rate, sound effects etc are all on the dev list to be added/improved.
I'm a regular BF3 player and love my shooters, but I must admit that if they keep upgrading it as they have over the beta and up to release it's got real potential.
If you get the beta join a corp, squad up and chat with players ASAP and beta bugs / glitches aside it's a fun game with a ot of depth.
Anyway I hope I haven't broke the NDA CCP? But keep doing what you're doing as I have faith. :) |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
598
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Posted - 2013.01.14 16:11:00 -
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People are WAY too scared of the NDA. We ARE allowed to say things like "I like it" or "It's a good game" you know.
With that in mind...
Quote:FPS? Not on PC? Skill points as rewards? Contrived combat/interaction between players? Pay-to-win?
1: Yes 2: Yes 3: Sort of 4: define "contrived". In any case, it's not yet completely implemented. 5: Wrong.
1 and 2 are purely a matter of taste. If you don't like FPS games or consoles, or FPS games on consoles, then that's purely a personal preference thing and not really something we can debate. I don't understand that attitude, but then again I don't have to.
3: Again is a matter of taste. so what if the SP are rewarded for good performance. It's not like that undermines or devalues your own SP accumulation in EVE in any way. It's just a different game mechanic. If you dislike it, again, that's a personal preference thing. Again, I think it's irrational and hard to understand why it would upset you, but I don't have the power or right to dictate what you think.
4: We orbitally bombard them, they take planets which help us capture systems. It's still in its infancy but that alone is, as far as I'm concerned, a solid enough mechanic. I don't see how it's contrived at all. It's also, as I said, not finished yet, and I'm sure more nuance will come in with time
5: Wrong. Buying stuff with Aurum gives you literally the exact same gear, just a little bit earlier. Want a device that replenishes allied ammo? Buy it with ISK. Want the version that repairs their armour as well? You can either wait a while and work hard to reach level 5 in the skill to buy it with ISK, or you can get to level 2 in the skill and buy it with AURUM. It's the same item in all respects, and in fact the ISK-purchased one will work better because by the time you've got it, your skills with it are better.
Want an unlimited supply of an assault rifle? Earn more than it costs during the match and you can afford it indefinitely with ISK. or you can spend like a quarter of a cent's worth of AURUM on the BPO and never have to think about it again.
You're getting the exact same gear with AURUM. No godly overpowered weapons - the SAME weapons. No unkillable one-man-army dropsuits, the SAME dropsuits with a paint job.
Dust is not pay to win. All the other stuff you mentioned was a matter of opinion, but this one is a cold hard fact. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Kithrus
Deus Fides Empire Curatores Veritatis Alliance
232
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Posted - 2013.01.14 20:58:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:People are WAY too scared of the NDA. We ARE allowed to say things like "I like it" or "It's a good game" you know. With that in mind... Quote:FPS? Not on PC? Skill points as rewards? Contrived combat/interaction between players? Pay-to-win? 1: Yes 2: Yes 3: mostly 4: define "contrived". In any case, it's not yet completely implemented. 5: Wrong. 1 and 2 are purely a matter of taste. If you don't like FPS games or consoles, or FPS games on consoles, then that's purely a personal preference thing and not really something we can debate. I don't understand that attitude, but then again I don't have to. 3: well, aside from the fact that there's also passive SP gain like in EVE, again this is a matter of taste. so what if the SP are rewarded for good performance? It's not like that undermines or devalues your own SP accumulation in EVE in any way. It's just a different game mechanic. If you dislike it, again, that's a personal preference thing. Again, I think it's irrational and hard to understand why it would upset you, but I don't have the power or right to dictate what you think. 4: We orbitally bombard them, they take planets which help us capture systems. It's still in its infancy but that alone is, as far as I'm concerned, a solid enough mechanic. I don't see how it's contrived at all. It's also, as I said, not finished yet, and I'm sure more nuance will come in with time 5: Wrong. Buying stuff with Aurum gives you literally the exact same gear, just a little bit earlier. Want a device that replenishes allied ammo? Buy it with ISK. Want the version that repairs their armour as well? You can either wait a while and work hard to reach level 5 in the skill to buy it with ISK, or you can get to level 2 in the skill and buy it with AURUM. It's the same item in all respects, and in fact the ISK-purchased one will work better because by the time you've got it, your skills with it are better. Want an unlimited supply of an assault rifle? Earn more than it costs during the match and you can afford it indefinitely with ISK. or you can spend like a quarter of a cent's worth of AURUM on the BPO and never have to think about it again. You're getting the exact same gear with AURUM. No godly overpowered weapons - the SAME weapons. No unkillable one-man-army dropsuits, the SAME dropsuits with a paint job. Dust is not pay to win. All the other stuff you mentioned was a matter of opinion, but this one is a cold hard fact.
You know as well as I do everyone is just scared of investing anything into something that may flop. The problem here is no one is looking at the facts:
We have a devoted company with a great track record (not perfect but still great) making an expansion to an already lush world.
If your (those who post about dust failing) are so afraid then don't play, watch what happens then react according. Dust is set up in a way that no amount of skills is going to save you from a shotgun blast to the head. Your not going to miss anything by being a little behind in skills other then the ability to switch roles quickly. |
Craterius
Symple Onez
37
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Posted - 2013.01.14 22:16:00 -
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Winters Chill::
Way to go, Fanboy. You are exactly the kind of person I and my friends do not choose to play with. +1 for Eve; -1 for Dust.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
4256
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Posted - 2013.01.15 00:52:00 -
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Mind you that all items including aurum ones will be re sellable speculatively.
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Optimo Sebiestor
The Society Calyxes
142
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Posted - 2013.01.15 01:39:00 -
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People pay to rent a movie for 1.5 hours of relaxed entertainment. This is what the gaming industry is slowly starting to understand. The diffrence with Dust beeing, that the only gain you get with hard cash is less grind. No super over powerd weapon thats better than anything availeble to a player with isk. If you have to second guess it, why not try it? Its been availeble for eve players for months now.. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
4256
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Posted - 2013.01.15 06:47:00 -
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Craterius wrote:Winters Chill::
Way to go, Fanboy. You are exactly the kind of person I and my friends do not choose to play with. +1 for Eve; -1 for Dust.
Well... winter's chill does have a point people I been tracking as being 'high volume complainers' typically go 0 - 10+ or worse or are 40 - 0 sort of folks.
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Winters Chill
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
83
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Posted - 2013.01.15 10:22:00 -
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Craterius wrote:Winters Chill::
Way to go, Fanboy. You are exactly the kind of person I and my friends do not choose to play with. +1 for Eve; -1 for Dust.
And that's your choice.
Since we're character assassinating;
I may be a fanboy but I'm not an incorgable cynic who has decided they don't like something without even trying it. Who then has the ordasity to pontificate on a game forum in a vain hope people will listen, and then try's (poorly) to shoot down anyone with an opinion different from themselves with childish value judgements.
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Bijata Dolinskaja
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.01.15 15:13:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:[...] 5: Wrong. Buying stuff with Aurum gives you literally the exact same gear, just a little bit earlier. Want a device that replenishes allied ammo? Buy it with ISK. Want the version that repairs their armour as well? You can either wait a while and work hard to reach level 5 in the skill to buy it with ISK, or you can get to level 2 in the skill and buy it with AURUM. It's the same item in all respects, and in fact the ISK-purchased one will work better because by the time you've got it, your skills with it are better. [...]
Are you serious? If 2 players invest the same amount of skillpoints, the same amount of ISK and the same amount of time but one has better gear than the other by paying $$$, it's freaking PAY-TO-WIN. Player 1 paid money to gain an advantage over player 2. That's it. (The missing skillbonus doesn't justify this at all). Don't try to sugarcoat it with "but you can just play longer...!"-excuses.
Go try that in EVE. Make it "free-to-play" and give players with extra-$$$ the ability to fly better ships without fullfilling the skillrequirement. The community would literally DIE.
It works in DUST because the targetaudience mainly doesn't care. Sounds sad? It is. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
617
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Posted - 2013.01.15 17:19:00 -
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Buy PLEX with $$$. Sell them to gain a few billion ISK. Spend said ISK on a pirate battleship loaded up with the absolute best officer mods. Congratulations, you've just "paid to win" by your logic.
Take it out alone into lowsec and try to solopwnmobile your way around in it and you'll still be the catch of the day on somebody's killboard pretty soon, guaranteed.
DUST is the same. The difference between those two nanohives is not going to win you the battle. So you're repairing your friends as you replenish their ammo, so what? One orbital strike later and you're still dead. Two heavies with HMGs, a marauder with a 20GJ railgun, hell, just somebody with a shotgun having a lucky streak.
Meanwhile, four days later and while both you and your hypothetical equal still have the exact same number of SP, you've both increased to the point where they've now got the same thing you were paying AUR for, purchased with ISK. Whatever insignificant advantage you had before is now gone.
That doesn't sound like "pay to win" to me, it sounds like "pay for a microscopic advantage" at best and "pay to offset your own impatience" more usually. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Bijata Dolinskaja
BurgezzE.T.F
0
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Posted - 2013.01.15 20:25:00 -
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Except the fact that if you sell your PLEX for ISK, another player is actually getting 30 days of EVE for free. And a PLEX for 30 days costs more than just 30 days. And even so, where did I write you can't pay-to-win in EVE? I just hate it when people try to stretch PURE FACTS about pay to win. If you can buy items/buffs for actual game-mechanics with $$$ it is PAY TO WIN. Stop stretching the truth! (Exception: Those items would provide negative effects and nobody would buy it since the standard-stuff works better.)
"Free to play" is just a sad business-concept made by the gaming-industry to lurk people in and get even more money out of them.
But hey! Play what you like, if you know the actual reasons behind microtransactions and still want to play that game, go for it. Nobody will stop you. Just stop sugarcoating the facts. Every game with microtransactions for pvp-stuff is pay-to-win, get over it.
In fact, I only know of ONE game which isn't pay-to-win but still free to play: Dota 2. Thank Valve for it. |
Very Sneaky
Dark Circle Enforcement Templis Dragonaors
3
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Posted - 2013.01.15 23:04:00 -
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Bijata Dolinskaja wrote:Except the fact that if you sell your PLEX for ISK, another player is actually getting 30 days of EVE for free. And a PLEX for 30 days costs more than just 30 days. And even so, where did I write you can't pay-to-win in EVE? I just hate it when people try to stretch PURE FACTS about pay to win. If you can buy items/buffs for actual game-mechanics with $$$ it is PAY TO WIN. Stop stretching the truth! (Exception: Those items would provide negative effects and nobody would buy it since the standard-stuff works better.)
"Free to play" is just a sad business-concept made by the gaming-industry to lurk people in and get even more money out of them.
But hey! Play what you like, if you know the actual reasons behind microtransactions and still want to play that game, go for it. Nobody will stop you. Just stop sugarcoating the facts. Every game with microtransactions for pvp-stuff is pay-to-win, get over it.
In fact, I only know of ONE game which isn't pay-to-win but still free to play: Dota 2. Thank Valve for it.
If you're going to be pedantic, at least be accurate in your terms. It is NOT pay-to-win. more accurately it is pay-to-GetAnAdvantage. Whether or not that advantage is enough to secure a win is entirely situational and still often comes down to the users skill level. In an "All other things being equal" environment, i.e. a situation where both players are standing still shooting each other in the head, depending on the advantage bought (for the sake of the situation we can assume it has something to do with either damage or armour, although there are many AUR items that do not infer a direct combat advantage), of course the person who bought the advantage will win. but how many situations have you come across in game like that? I for one haven't seen many. It is only pay-to-win where if not for the advantage provided, there would have been a loss. There has to be a causal link between the advantage and the win. In my experience this is not the case in dust. In my experience, the skill of the player is the major determinant in any victory. I've seen militia weapons eat through B Series and VK suits, which is an extreme example but shows that while an upgrade in gear does mitigate some level of skill it is not the be all and end all.
Pay-to-win refers to such an advantage that anybody who pays for items will win. This absolute predetermination is not even remotely close to being the case in dust. Eve Online Hold'Em - It's never over until the river |
Carol Krabit
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2013.01.16 02:02:00 -
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IMO pay-to-win means that you are going to have to pay (no exceptions) to get the same performance as those who do. However it's not really a term with a bulletproof defintion behind it as far as I know, so we could argue about that forever.
One thing I do know is that very few would regard EVE as a pay-to-win game. It's more like win-by-not-paying. |
Craterius
Symple Onez
37
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Posted - 2013.01.16 06:40:00 -
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Winters Chill wrote:Craterius wrote:Winters Chill::
Way to go, Fanboy. You are exactly the kind of person I and my friends do not choose to play with. +1 for Eve; -1 for Dust.
And that's your choice. Since we're character assassinating; I may be a fanboy but I'm not an incorrigible cynic who has decided they don't like something without even trying it. Who then has the audacity to pontificate on a game forum in a vain hope people will listen, and then try's (poorly) to shoot down anyone with an opinion different from themselves with childish value judgements.
Good grief. Aren't YOU the one who said I was "stupid" for expressing the opinion that the gameplay of Dust was very different from "Old Eve", and that I did not find the new game mechanics appealing?
Did you read my comments?
I did not "shoot down" anything. I expressed the hope that the game of Eve I have been playing for years does not get dragged down should the new game of Dust not succeed. This seems pretty reasonable, both before and after you called it "stupid".
Do you have an opinion on the topic of this thread? If so, what is it?
You seem tp prefer mindless name calling to analysis. Why is that?
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
626
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Posted - 2013.01.16 12:27:00 -
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So from this we learn that Dijata doesn't like paying for goods and services. Right. Glad that's out of the way.
Seriously, you can pay to get a piece of gear, or not pay and get a functionally identical piece of gear after you've done a bit more skill training. demanding an equal number of SP is an artificial and arbitrary imposition to make it look like there's a problem when there isn't. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Bijata Dolinskaja
BurgezzE.T.F
3
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Posted - 2013.01.16 15:13:00 -
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If you got too much money, go spend it on blackjack and exotic dancers but don't use it to gain an advantage in a pvp-based game.
And if you compare a battle where one side gets ammo supplies and the other side ammo + health at the same level (just because they paid for it) then it doesn't look like a fair competition to me.
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Kithrus
Deus Fides Empire Curatores Veritatis Alliance
232
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Posted - 2013.01.17 16:23:00 -
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Bijata Dolinskaja wrote:If you got too much money, go spend it on blackjack and exotic dancers but don't use it to gain an advantage in a pvp-based game.
And if you compare a battle where one side gets ammo supplies and the other side ammo + health at the same level (just because they paid for it) then it doesn't look like a fair competition to me.
If you have money in EvE you can get officer gear which requires no where near the same amount of skill as tech 2 does with an ever better bonus.
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Winters Chill
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
85
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:59:00 -
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Craterius wrote:
OMG, I totally wrote a positive write up about dust and you're suddenly getting at me, why god why!!! Poor me.
Yes well, your post seems to have magically changed from one lambasting Dust 514, to magnanimously hoping it will be a success.
If your going to have an opinion, you should at least stick to you guns. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
635
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Posted - 2013.01.17 18:03:00 -
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Bijata Dolinskaja wrote:If you got too much money, go spend it on blackjack and exotic dancers but don't use it to gain an advantage in a pvp-based game.
And if you compare a battle where one side gets ammo supplies and the other side ammo + health at the same level (just because they paid for it) then it doesn't look like a fair competition to me.
except that both sides can have the ammo+health one.
If the ammo+health one was aurum-exclusive, you'd have a point, but it's not. You can buy it with ISK, or you can buy it a little earlier with AUR. That's all.
the repair and resupply rates aren't going to help you much if somebody blitzes you from behind with a shotgun in either case. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Henry Haphorn
Kid's Logistics Inc
393
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:00:00 -
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Craterius wrote:Eve has been my favorite game for years. At times, my only game. Above all, I love the sandbox, so I and/or my friends can take off and do what we want.
Dust as implemented is a different game from "Old Eve". FPS? Not on PC? Skill points as rewards? Contrived combat/interaction between players? Pay-to-win?
Not for me, or anyone I know. Reports on the forums here and elsewhere appear lukewarm. Not a good sign for a major new game. Perhaps enough completely new players will be enticed to make it pay off. Who knows?
I hope Dust is successful, so long as it does not ruin "Eve as we know it' in the process. A DEV wrote me many months ago that playing Dust through Eve was "optional". It is ok to experiment. I am just hoping that if, or when, Dust blows up (figuratively) speaking as a game, it does not take the Old Eve with it.
Technically, it's not suppose to take Eve with it should it fail. CCP said long ago (perhaps during Fanfest 2012) that Dust and Eve will still operate independently from each other yet still allow players to recognize the benefits of working together. If you want a clear cut example, just ask the faction warfare pilots around here who have seen interesting activity between the Gallente and Caldari. Adapt or Die |
Rev BenBendack
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 23:46:00 -
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If you don't like dust don't play it. It's as simple as that. This was just away for CCP to branch out to a different audience who might be interested in the EVE universe, but find the learning cliff to much or find it a little boring. The way I see it, I can hop on an alt, and do mining ops while i play eve so if i were in FW I could make money for my corp and still contribute through Dust. Or i can play Dust and have my Ship orbiting the planet and call in strikes. As for the pay-to-win. To each his own. Personally I will not be spending real money, but I am rather good with FPS and think that just cause some one has a better gun, doesn't mean he will beat me if i'm better at the game then him, and If i get in real trouble, I'll just bombard him from space. |
Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra Gallente Federation
157
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Posted - 2013.01.18 09:45:00 -
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Bijata Dolinskaja wrote:Stitcher wrote:[...] 5: Wrong. Buying stuff with Aurum gives you literally the exact same gear, just a little bit earlier. Want a device that replenishes allied ammo? Buy it with ISK. Want the version that repairs their armour as well? You can either wait a while and work hard to reach level 5 in the skill to buy it with ISK, or you can get to level 2 in the skill and buy it with AURUM. It's the same item in all respects, and in fact the ISK-purchased one will work better because by the time you've got it, your skills with it are better. [...] Are you serious?If 2 players invest the same amount of skillpoints, the same amount of ISK and the same amount of time but one has better gear than the other by paying $$$, it's freaking PAY-TO-WIN. Player 1 paid money to gain an advantage over player 2. That's it. (The missing skillbonus doesn't justify this at all). Don't try to sugarcoat it with "but you can just play longer...!"-excuses. Go try that in EVE. Make it "free-to-play" and give players with extra-$$$ the ability to fly better ships without fullfilling the skillrequirement. The community would literally DIE. It works in DUST because the targetaudience mainly doesn't care. Sounds sad? It is. Stop talking nonsense. If you could buy ships without having the skills nobody would be angry, rather anybody would look out for those because they could get a nice killmail, blowing up a vindi with a T1-cruiser or something. It-¦s already very bad getting into a ship with only the minimum requirements. Flying a ship without even those would only make the ship the most hilariously bumbling piece of a shipwreck-waiting-to-happen. If you use ships/gear without the proper training, you just end up making the day of your opponents. "You either need less science fiction or more medication."
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Bijata Dolinskaja
BurgezzE.T.F
3
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Posted - 2013.01.18 13:39:00 -
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@Sebastion N Cain After CCP added vanity-items to EVE. The community rampaged about some useless items which was only seen on small little pictures anyway. I remember some bigger corps kicking everybody out who bought that infamous monocle.
And after this experience you're trying to tell me, everyone will be happy if CCP takes the next step and adds actual ingame items for Aurum? Of course, everything would be fine with the community when they even riot about vanity-items. /s The community doesn't care if you get lots of shiny killmails. They will just tell themself "CCP tries to take even more money from us!" and ultimately leave because they're butthurt. Then, the current community will die (or replaced, if you like that one better).
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Craterius
Symple Onez
38
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Posted - 2013.01.18 16:59:00 -
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Winters Chill wrote:Craterius wrote:
OMG, I totally wrote a positive write up about dust and you're suddenly getting at me, why god why!!! Poor me.
Yes well, your post seems to have magically changed from one lambasting Dust 514, to magnanimously hoping it will be a success. If your going to have an opinion, you should at least stick to you guns.
(Ha ha, this is great! A good old-fashioned Eve forums flame war!)
But... my post has not changed. Have you read it yet? Your "quote" of me is not accurate. You have made it up, to suit your argument.
On the other hand, you have never responded to the topic of the thread. Your total contribution has been ad hominem attacks on the OP. (Oops, sorry: "ad hominem" means "personal". That is, having nothing to do with the topic at hand.)
I think my real fear is that CCP, under misdirection, is relying upon there being a lot of players like you. For example, you actually paid real money to make yourself look silly with those faux WW one pilot's goggles.
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Craterius
Symple Onez
38
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Posted - 2013.01.18 17:17:00 -
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Rev BenBendack wrote: If you don't like dust don't play it. It's as simple as that. This was just away for CCP to branch out to a different audience who might be interested in the EVE universe, but find the learning cliff to much or find it a little boring. The way I see it, I can hop on an alt, and do mining ops while i play eve so if i were in FW I could make money for my corp and still contribute through Dust. Or i can play Dust and have my Ship orbiting the planet and call in strikes. As for the pay-to-win. To each his own. Personally I will not be spending real money, but I am rather good with FPS and think that just cause some one has a better gun, doesn't mean he will beat me if i'm better at the game then him, and If i get in real trouble, I'll just bombard him from space.
This is reasonable. The point of my post is to hope you are right.
Those of us who like Old Eve, however, have reason to be very concerned. Just last summer CCP nearly blew up because it was spending so much money on so many different projects, with its only income stream coming from Eve - something like 20% of the company lost their jobs.
The CEO in a mea culpa acknowledged he was arrogant, and had made serious mistakes. However, he did not quit and was not fired. CCP published a new release with no new Eve content. The player base rebelled, and held a "Burn Jita" celebration. Some of the most respected members of the Eve community, including within CCP, left in disgust. CCP had shown remarkable (arrogant?) detachment from its own player base.
CCP has now allied with Sony to produce Dust on Sony's platform. In a partnership with Sony, CCP is a dust speck (pun intended). We are riding around somewhere on that dust speck.
So, I hope you are right. |
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