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Publius Valerius Samarkand Financial 102	Posted - 2013.02.04 12:04:00 - [31] - Quote So that it doesnt get forgot in fight club style: WHAT POWER HAS KHANID GIVE UP? And: WHY SHOULD HE DO THIS? LOSING POWER? I would love to have those classes ingame. See here: http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer
Publius Valerius Samarkand Financial 102	Posted - 2013.02.04 12:05:00 - [32] - Quote So that it doesnt get forgot in fight club style: WHAT POWER HAS KHANID GIVE UP? And: WHY SHOULD HE DO THIS? LOSING POWER? And: IS IT SOMETHING A HUMAN WOULD DO (not counting window lickers)? I would love to have those classes ingame. See here: http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer
Eija-Riitta Veitonen Unicorn Enterprise 51	Posted - 2013.02.04 15:23:00 - [33] - Quote Someone should slap you for double-, no, triple-posting. So please, slap yourself now. And now i'd like to point you to an excellent shiny "EDIT" button in the lower right corner of your posts. Use it, don't be shy.

ISD Cura Ursus ISD Community Communications Liaisons 116	Posted - 2013.02.04 15:36:00 - [34] - Quote OK, party people. Please keep this civil. That means no name calling (and yes calling someone a redneck _can_ be insulting)!!! Let's get this thread back on track, I do not want to have to edit the heck out of this thread, but I can. And will if it does not calm down. OK, warning done, debate away! ISD Cura Ursus Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department


CCP Eterne C C P C C P Alliance 2022	Posted - 2013.02.04 16:47:00 - [35] - Quote I have gone back through and done a mild clean up of this thread to clean it of some rants, insults, spam, and personal attacks on former CCP employees. New Eden Community Representative GÇ+ New Eden Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept @CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents


CCP Eterne C C P C C P Alliance 2032	Posted - 2013.02.05 13:19:00 - [36] - Quote Just to clarify things, since I've been asked to do so: Khanid II recognized Jamyl I as the rightful Empress of the Amarr people and dropped any claim he might have on her throne. The Khanid Kingdom and the Amarr Empire now enjoy a mutual defense pact. The Khanid Kingdom retains its de facto independence, but is a de jure vassal state of the Empire. Or, otherwise, Khanid II is technically a subordinate to Jamyl I, but otherwise runs his Kingdom exactly the same way he did prior to the whole agreement. The Khanid Family has a seat on the Privy Council. I'll leave it up to future revelations and player theory crafting to decide why exactly this whole thing was agreed to, but I believe you should be able to read between the lines to figure things out. New Eden Community Representative GÇ+ New Eden Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept @CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents

Irregessa Obfuscation and Reflections 51	Posted - 2013.02.05 15:28:00 - [37] - Quote Two words: "Elder fleet"
Esna Pitoojee Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession 183	Posted - 2013.02.05 20:02:00 - [38] - Quote Thank you for the clarification, Eterne. I expect this to have some interesting ramifications for the Amarr/Khanid RP communities.
Facist Monk East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate 1	Posted - 2013.02.05 20:02:00 - [39] - Quote My once esteem Colleague Publius Valerius wishes me to post the following reply, written by himself (and under no duress by anyone...but himself) I had a small discussion with Eteren and I though maybe some other would like to join: http://s7.directupload.net/images/130205/igcu3cj8.png http://s1.directupload.net/images/130205/u5fa884b.png I had a typo in the P.S. part. I should say: "if we would life in a world without opportunity cost." http://s14.directupload.net/images/130205/2yz3y4jw.png http://s7.directupload.net/images/130205/jzlurlfh.png @CCP Eterne Which false premises? Writing something down isnt a falsfication of a LAW. If you have a point to falsfy the survival law, Im happy to take it (and with it to get a nice DOCTOR title :) ). As I said before, your part 3, breaks as I mention the lore (Khanid, is now no longer had of the church and even a heretic again and must/sould kill himself in the law/name of God. There are so many problems which you Eterne has open with the point 3. Ones lore wish, as HG already mention: Khanid would have to bow before "Gods law is above mans law". Also you ahve the problem of explaining his action (which are irrational and self destructiv). And as I said, break a AXIOM: Is like 4+2=7. There isnt any difference. YOU HAVE BROKE AN AXIOM. AND THAT IS THE REASON ALSO THAT YOUR STUFF DOESNT FIT TOGEHTER. THAT IS THE REASON WHY YOU HAVE THIS HUGE PROBLEM TO EXPLAIN THIS POINT. By the way as I have wrote in the mails. Ask if I need to flesh out something. Ask, If you need a link, where a better example is mention. Ask if you need a book, where you find this stuff about the international relations etc.... But dont just write "false premises". Faslsfy me. Please. Because as I said in the first mail. My current roleplay is based around the notion the AXIOMS are exist. If you really say, that your poitn three is your finial word, I cant do this any more. I have then to assume that AXIOMS in the EVE universe dont exist. So that I can say: 4+2=7. And I can have even the balls to say it is true. And I can always link to you. The guy which had break a AXIOM. Your -PV ________________ _______________________ East Khanid Trading is Recruiting! www.eastkhanid.co.uk or join EKTPUB
Horatius Caul Kitzless 200	Posted - 2013.02.06 00:57:00 - [40] - Quote He must be extremely keen if he's willing to risk losing his forum privileges permanently simply to continue this pointless "debate", even after he's pestered CCP about it. Ban evasion tends to be frowned upon. Amarrad - Amarr language project

CCP Delegate Zero C C P C C P Alliance 47	Posted - 2013.02.06 11:40:00 - [41] - Quote Personally, I can't understand why the enormous gain in power that comes with regaining a seat on the Closed Council of the Privy Council is being underestimated. It is also rather likely that the development actually strengthens Khanid's rule within the Kingdom. He is confirmed as the rightful Holder of the Khanid Region. He is confirmed as a King in his own right as ruler of a Kingdom of the Empire. The reunification-minded subjects of the Kingdom cannot be anything but happy with the development. The religious-minded subjects are most probably rather happy about it all. Those who stayed absolutely loyal to Khanid have that loyalty endorsed by the Empress of Amarr as in fact loyalty to the interests of Holy Amarr all along. There are other factors in the whole arrangement but I know who I think the overall winner in this is in terms of Amarr power dynamics. I would underline, in addition to Eterne's useful summary, that the news piece containing Jamyl's speech on this matter is a rather key piece of PF (indeed the whole arc of which it forms a part is for the Amarr/Khanid relationship). And I would note that the Amarr are not a people to waste words or make throwaway remarks. They tend, at this level of high politics, to choose their words carefully and with intent. Another example is the very careful way in which Khanid II is formally "Lord Councillor Khanid" when sitting as a member of the Privy Council, as opposed to the other House representatives who are styled as "Royal Heirs". CCP Delegate Zero \| Content Editor \| EVE Illuminati \| @CCPDelegateZero


CCP Eterne C C P C C P Alliance 2049	Posted - 2013.02.06 14:30:00 - [42] - Quote I have deleted the ban evading post as well as the CCP communications. New Eden Community Representative GÇ+ New Eden Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept @CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents

Publius Valerius Samarkand Financial 102	Posted - 2013.02.18 16:42:00 - [43] - Quote CCP Delegate Zero wrote: Personally, I can't understand why the enormous gain in power that comes with regaining a seat on the Closed Council of the Privy Council is being underestimated. The problem on this comment is the assumption of gaining power tru the PC. In the PC, the players havent their power tru the seat there, the power comes from the postion they have outside of it. Or in other words: "The Privy Council can be considered a meeting of the rulers of the Empire, but one which does not actually act with any inherent authority. Instead, all authority is derived from the positions the members of the Council already hold." * Which means the Kingdom hasnt gain power, it had gain a "voice opportunity" [[see: "voice opportunity" Joseph M. Grieco]]. And a "voice opportunity", doesnt endanger the sovereignty and/or survival of the Empire. I repeat, no power gain for Khanid, just a gain of "voice opportunity"; and no endanger the survival of the empire. CCP Delegate Zero wrote: It is also rather likely that the development actually strengthens Khanid's rule within the Kingdom. He is confirmed as the rightful Holder of the Khanid Region. He is confirmed as a King in his own right as ruler of a Kingdom of the Empire. The reunification-minded subjects of the Kingdom cannot be anything but happy with the development. The religious-minded subjects are most probably rather happy about it all. Those who stayed absolutely loyal to Khanid have that loyalty endorsed by the Empress of Amarr as in fact loyalty to the interests of Holy Amarr all along. Sadly Eterne had deleted so much, that many people still dont understand my point (I cant belive how much. He has deleted everything what he hasnt a answer for and more; is this the new CCP policy?). So my first question is: Why does in your example Jamly has the tool to ignore domestic games, but Khanid Ii not? About: GÇPThe reunification-minded subjects of the Kingdom cannot be anything but happy with the development.GÇ£ Of course they are, their goal is the reunifaction, so any move which takes souveranity will be seen positive by this group. But, a huge but, WHY should Khanid II care about a group which has the goal to destruct his kingdom? And if he cares, would he act in a why which Eterne, Horatius and you have in mind? Would it not be better, to not be a vassel? And gain the love this group in another way? I could think already, about some moves :) About: GÇPThose who stayed absolutely loyal to Khanid have that loyalty endorsed by the Empress of AmarrGÇ£ This point have I already mention in the mail with Eterne. So again, I havent a problem with point 1. You could reword point one to: GÇPKhanid II recognized Jamyl I as the rightful Empress of the Amarr people and dropped any claim he might have on her throne. AND Jamyl I recognized Khanid II as the rightful King of the Khanid Kingdom and dropped any claim she might had on his throne.GÇ£ But as you can see, it doesnt give me explaination: Why point three is possible and plausible? As Eterne had wrote. And I hope you, Eterne or Caul come up with an logical answer. Not for me, Im gone, but for future players. CCP Delegate Zero wrote: There are other factors in the whole arrangement but I know who I think the overall winner in this is in terms of Amarr power dynamics. Yeah. I too. Lets see add point 3, the Kingdom was before independent and is now a vassel. It doesnt look for me like the Kingdom is the winner in this and wasnt it Cauls and Eternes whole point of GÇPBowing before JamylGÇ£? So maybe you discusse first with those two where the GÇPwinner isGÇ£. After that pointless debate (where you find a winner), you will also find out that it doesnt give me a answer on my questions. Which is: How is point three possible and plausible without spliting tools/braincells/window-licking your characters? A question which I have try to show Eterne before he just send back a one liner, with basically saying: GÇPIm right, because I said so.GÇ£ After that I of course send another mail, where he still hadnt answer and just send a one liner: Im right, because I can english unlike you, or the more educated version: GÇPI have a english bachlor, unlike you.GÇ£ (P.S. Eterne I have a Magister A. in two disciplines (economics and politcal science). Does it mean Im right? Of course not). CCP Delegate Zero wrote: I would underline, in addition to Eterne's useful summary, that the news piece containing Jamyl's speech on this matter is a rather key piece of PF (indeed the whole arc of which it forms a part is for the Amarr/Khanid relationship). And I would note that the Amarr are not a people to waste words or make throwaway remarks. They tend, at this level of high politics, to choose their words carefully and with intent. First define useful, secondly: You people know that the speech and the text below the speech are contradictorily and both cant be true. Like: GÇPEmpress of AmarrGÇ£ vs. GÇPEmpress of all AmarrGÇ£ etc. I will go in this case for the none speech part. CCP Delegate Zero wrote: Another example is the very careful way in which Khanid II is formally "Lord Councillor Khanid" when sitting as a member of the Privy Council, as opposed to the other House representatives who are styled as "Royal Heirs". I know. But I have to ask, this makes Eterne point three possible and plausible because of? I would love to have those classes ingame. See here: http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer
Publius Valerius Samarkand Financial 102	Posted - 2013.02.18 16:52:00 - [44] - Quote CCP Eterne wrote: I have deleted the ban evading post as well as the CCP communications. CCP cummunications? Really? Her I have to intervene John. I know you think, the same of me as I think of you. And yes I havent any problems with it . But the amount of stuff you have deleted is really quiet astonishing. Seconldy. Publius looks into Eternes eyes You havent still not answer any question of me. Like how is point three plausible and possible? And what are my flawed premises? Publius looks serious into Johns eyes And this time I hope you dont just delete stuff, but you will take your time to explain (This time, I dont give you the option to ask me or that I flesh out more, because Im finally gone). _____________ I had a small discussion with Eteren and I though maybe some other would like to join: http://s7.directupload.net/images/130205/igcu3cj8.png http://s1.directupload.net/images/130205/u5fa884b.png I had a typo in the P.S. part. I should say: "if we would life in a world without opportunity cost." http://s14.directupload.net/images/130205/2yz3y4jw.png http://s7.directupload.net/images/130205/jzlurlfh.png _____________ By the way, can you take the warning of Facsit Monk, As I have trick him to do it for me. I would love to have those classes ingame. See here: http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer
Horatius Caul Kitzless 205	Posted - 2013.02.18 17:06:00 - [45] - Quote If each seat on the Privy Council is represented by a ruler of the Empire, how could the King gain a seat on it without the Kingdom becoming part of the Empire? Amarrad - Amarr language project
Publius Valerius Samarkand Financial 102	Posted - 2013.02.18 17:10:00 - [46] - Quote Horatius Caul wrote: If each seat on the Privy Council is represented by a ruler of the Empire, how could the King gain a seat on it without the Kingdom becoming part of the Empire? The same why like Berlin during 49-91... where it had a seat in the west german parlament (with just a voice opprourtunity), but without being part of germany. So easy is that. I could give hundert -¦more examples how someone can use a voice opprotunity without being a part off... do you need it? I would love to have those classes ingame. See here: http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer
Horatius Caul Kitzless 205	Posted - 2013.02.18 17:16:00 - [47] - Quote Sure, if you have an example of a "voice of opportunity" seat on a council with less than half a dozen feudal lords on it, I'd be happy to hear it. Amarrad - Amarr language project
Publius Valerius Samarkand Financial 102	Posted - 2013.02.18 17:27:00 - [48] - Quote Horatius Caul wrote: Sure, if you have an example of a "voice of opportunity" seat on a council with less than half a dozen feudal lords on it, I'd be happy to hear it. To you remember what I ones wrote about prussia? And that they (unlike like your false assumption), where never emperos. Even the Kingdom of prussia was outside of the HRE not a reichkreis, but still the King of prussia was a prince elector, had a seat in the Reichstag etc..... So easy... I could even go deeper and say the the cities had just voice opprotunitys in the reichtags form 1335-1442. Etc.... So fly save Im gone. bye P.S You may now answer one of my questions? Dont you? Like how is point three plausible and possible? And what are my flawed premises? Do you had split magic/tools in your explainations and examples before? etc.... Fly save. I would love to have those classes ingame. See here: http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer
Horatius Caul Kitzless 205	Posted - 2013.02.18 17:40:00 - [49] - Quote Publius Valerius wrote: Even the Kingdom of prussia was outside of the HRE not a reichkreis, but still the King of prussia was a prince elector, had a seat in the Reichstag etc... Sure, because the Hohenzollerns also held titles that had those positions within the Empire. In just the same way, there were several kings of England who - by having inherited territory in France - were both sovereigns as kings and vassals of France as counts. That is not the position Khanid is in though. Amarrad - Amarr language project
Publius Valerius Samarkand Financial 102	Posted - 2013.02.18 17:52:00 - [50] - Quote Horatius Caul wrote: Publius Valerius wrote: Even the Kingdom of prussia was outside of the HRE not a reichkreis, but still the King of prussia was a prince elector, had a seat in the Reichstag etc... Sure, because the Hohenzollerns also held titles that had those positions within the Empire. In just the same way, there were several kings of England who - by having inherited territory in France - were both sovereigns as kings and vassals of France as counts. That is not the position Khanid is in though. True... And we will most likely just find small examples in the real world... like the lomards cities in the HRE (for a small time frame). But still It doesnt falesfy any of my points my friend. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS? Lets say... I find a example whar is just almost close, does it change anything what I had wrote? No. Because I dont say it is unplausebile because of: History example x, I say it unplausible,because its violates a law. Two different things my friend. So again... please explain some of my questions... by the way you dont die if you say you were wrong, or you havent a logical-deductiv answer for point three. I would love to have those classes ingame. See here: http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer
Horatius Caul Kitzless 205	Posted - 2013.02.18 17:56:00 - [51] - Quote I can't even make enough sense of your post to figure out what "Point 3" is. Amarrad - Amarr language project
Publius Valerius Samarkand Financial 102	Posted - 2013.02.18 17:59:00 - [52] - Quote Horatius Caul wrote: I can't even make enough sense of your post to figure out what "Point 3" is. dude really... CCP Eterne wrote: Just to clarify things, since I've been asked to do so: Khanid II recognized Jamyl I as the rightful Empress of the Amarr people and dropped any claim he might have on her throne. The Khanid Kingdom and the Amarr Empire now enjoy a mutual defense pact. The Khanid Kingdom retains its de facto independence, but is a de jure vassal state of the Empire. Or, otherwise, Khanid II is technically a subordinate to Jamyl I, but otherwise runs his Kingdom exactly the same way he did prior to the whole agreement. The Khanid Family has a seat on the Privy Council. I'll leave it up to future revelations and player theory crafting to decide why exactly this whole thing was agreed to, but I believe you should be able to read between the lines to figure things out. See the mails.... point three is: 3) The Khanid Kingdom retains its de facto independence, but is a de jure vassal state of the Empire. Or, otherwise, Khanid II is technically a subordinate to Jamyl I, but otherwise runs his Kingdom exactly the same way he did prior to the whole agreement. About: "can't even make enough sense" then ask?.... You dont die form it... you may even learn something.... by the way if I can ask.. what have you study, so that I can bring a example of your field. I hope, I have not to explain what logical deductiv is and that Popper and science isnt **** etc (I reaally I doesnt need go tru all the basic stuff, thats why I ask what you have study)..... And I really hope not to read from you a "Im right, because I can english unlike you." AND BYE BY THE WAY: You still havent answer any of my questions, even those way before. Still cant believe it that you split tools like TonyG. I would love to have those classes ingame. See here: http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer
Horatius Caul Kitzless 205	Posted - 2013.02.18 18:03:00 - [53] - Quote Publius Valerius wrote: About: "can't even make enough sense" then ask?.... You dont die form it... you may even learn something.... by the way if I can ask.. what have you study, so that I can bring a example of your field. This would be much easier if you could ask a friend with a better grasp of English to translate for you. Or would you prefer it if I went through your posts with a highlighter to mark everything that is confusing? Amarrad - Amarr language project
Publius Valerius Samarkand Financial 102	Posted - 2013.02.18 18:08:00 - [54] - Quote Horatius Caul wrote: Publius Valerius wrote: About: "can't even make enough sense" then ask?.... You dont die form it... you may even learn something.... by the way if I can ask.. what have you study, so that I can bring a example of your field. This would be much easier if you could ask a friend with a better grasp of English to translate for you. Or would you prefer it if I went through your posts with a highlighter to mark everything that is confusing? For the stupid ones: Again. If Publius finds a close or far example in history, doesnt matter. Why? The Problem of Eterne and you goes way deeper, it is a violation of a Scientific law. P.S. thats why you and him cant expalin it without taking tools/braincells/magic/etc... from one of the players. GOOD BYE.... Kiss my ass... all... Now really now answer will come. The char is gone. I would love to have those classes ingame. See here: http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer
Horatius Caul Kitzless 205	Posted - 2013.02.18 18:14:00 - [55] - Quote Calling me stupid and invoking supposed laws of political behaviour isn't going make your "point" any more obvious for anyone. Maybe it's not everybody else. Maybe it's you. Amarrad - Amarr language project

CCP Delegate Zero C C P C C P Alliance 50	Posted - 2013.02.18 18:21:00 - [56] - Quote "There is a difference between Apples and Men" ~ Bend of the River (1952) CCP Delegate Zero \| Content Editor \| EVE Illuminati \| @CCPDelegateZero


CCP Falcon 2365	Posted - 2013.02.18 20:13:00 - [57] - Quote I've removed a couple of personal attacks and more posting of private correspondence from this thread. CCP Falcon -á \|\| -á EVE Community Team -á \|\| -á EVE Illuminati -á \|\| -á Live Events Organizer @CCP_Falcon -á \|\| -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents


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