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TuRtLe HeAd	Posted - 2005.06.23 11:59:00 - [1] Edited by: TuRtLe HeAd on 23/06/2005 12:05:05 I was filtering through the ship setups thread and there was Nothing of any good relating to the Diemos, its mainly just a bunch of people quoting each other and flaming each other. Its a PvP Ship if you use it for NPC's you've wasted alot of cash. What I need is ideas on how to set this monster of a cruiser up. So far Im not sure which way to go. If you go with a monster Tank you cant deal the damage and if you go with dealing damage u cant Tank the Damage, Typical catch 22 that most Battleship pilots encounter. Heres what i got so far. And guys be imaginative if i say electron blaster its means the best u can fit so dont post response with Tech II or named , cos we all know to fit the Best we can. 5 medium electron 1 med nos 1 MWD 1 Scambler/Webber 1 Cap Battery 1 med armour repairer 2 explosive harders 3 Passive armour modules the ones that give a boost to all. Tips here Would be greatly abppreciated
darth solo	Posted - 2005.06.23 12:00:00 - [2] check me oot, im a deimos setup. d solo.
TuRtLe HeAd	Posted - 2005.06.23 12:19:00 - [3] Thats the Very thread i was talking about. But thanks for trying . Anyone else ?
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.06.23 12:29:00 - [4] If you plan to hunt something else than guristas / serps you better get another ship. For those two: 5x ions II mwd, web, t2 recharger repper II, pduII, kin & th hardener, 2x dmg mods You can tank any normal belt spawns 4ever.
TuRtLe HeAd	Posted - 2005.06.23 12:33:00 - [5] NO NO NO NO NO DIEMOS + NPC's = WHY ? I got battleships for that Diemos is a PvP vessel, I aint paid too much cash to hunt little rats. PvP !
RUNYOUFOOLS	Posted - 2005.06.23 12:36:00 - [6] hmm well I know nothing of the diemos but hell i'll give it a shot! highs : 4 75 rails 2 med smartbombs mids : 3 small shield booster's 1 amp lows : 5 27.44% cargo expanders 1 basic damage control Drone bay : as many harvester drones as you can fit (basic mining drone will do at a push but they lack dps) tactics is to warp in and unleash hell with the drones + med smartbomb's while all the while pounding them with the 75m rails. my corpmate use's this set-up and trust me ive never beaten him yet, even my hull tanking scorp was wtfpwned! ps. dont forget to pack the cargo hold wih mega/zyd/bpos or you could try turning on your active brain module 2. I hear they work wonders! Everyone crying for a change of rule confesses: I trained the wrong thing, now change the rules
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2005.06.23 12:48:00 - [7] Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd Thats the Very thread i was talking about. But thanks for trying . Anyone else ? Theres tons of setups in that thread. What exactly are u after? theres 2 pretty much standard setups and they are 5xheavy ions or 5 heavy electrons + medium nos mwd web scramble tech2 rep explosive hard and then whatever u fancy. Thats ur pretty much stnadard deimos setup. U can try sommat funky like dual 150s + 1600 plate with an rcu or 2 in the lows for some serious defense or go with 200/250 rails for some range. Its not really that difficult to setup how you want it if u think about it Forums: Sharks - MC
TuRtLe HeAd	Posted - 2005.06.23 12:53:00 - [8] Thanks, not a big fan of rails , But u see Electrons aint to hot and ions use too much Grid. Its resists on armour aint that great apart from kinetic.. Guess Im gonna have to work it out for myself
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2005.06.23 13:02:00 - [9] Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd Thanks, not a big fan of rails , But u see Electrons aint to hot and ions use too much Grid. Its resists on armour aint that great apart from kinetic.. Guess Im gonna have to work it out for myself u dont like rails, electrons or ions. Well u got the wrong fecking ship then cos thats all ur gonna put on it. Electrons do NOT do crap dmg. Specially not on a deimos. IONs dont up too much grid (u can still fit mwd + rep all tech2 with 1 pdu). Rails, yeah i agree, they suck, which is why i dont use em. TBH, if u dont like medium hybrids, get yaself an ishtar. Much better ship imo Forums: Sharks - MC
Finix Jaeger	Posted - 2005.06.23 13:02:00 - [10] Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd Guess Im gonna have to work it out for myself \O/ ------------------------- Grand Agitator Currently homeless, mail or convo if interested
Nyphur	Posted - 2005.06.23 14:46:00 - [11] Running passive hardeners on the deimos is a sin. It's such a waste. It has already got a high kinetic and thermal resistance, those three passive hardeners are better replaced with 2 active EM hardeners and 1 active thermal hardener. You get highest resistances that way and the cap they use is neglicible on a ship like the Deimos. Also, with all that powergrid, you might find that you can fit a 1600mm rolled tungsten plate instead of one of those EM hardeners if you switch the cap battery for a cap recharger. With the next patch, that'll net you about 6000 armour points in total. With those resistances, more armour means a heck of a lot more than slightly higher resistance. It would last a very long time in PVP. With the Deimos, you can have your cake and eat it too. It can fit the tank and five medium guns.
Justice Bringer	Posted - 2005.06.23 17:48:00 - [12] Originally by: RUNYOUFOOLS hmm well I know nothing of the diemos but hell i'll give it a shot! highs : 4 75 rails 2 med smartbombs mids : 3 small shield booster's 1 amp lows : 5 27.44% cargo expanders 1 basic damage control Huh !?!?!?!!? Originally by: RUNYOUFOOLS Drone bay : as many harvester drones as you can fit (basic mining drone will do at a push but they lack dps) Oh ,I get it.... Originally by: RUNYOUFOOLS ps. dont forget to pack the cargo hold wih mega/zyd/bpos Hahahahahahahahahahah I laughed so much I cried
Niaski Zalani	Posted - 2005.06.23 17:52:00 - [13] The Deimos is an AMAZING ship for NPCing (as long as you go after Guristas or Serps) in addition to being a great PVP ship. This is what I run for my deep 0.0 hunting: Hi: 5x Hvy Electron II, 1x Dark Blood med Nos Med: 1x t2 MWD, 1x Domi web, 1x Cap II Lo: 1x Corpum A-type med rep, 1x ts kenetic, 1x ss thermic, 2x t2 dmg mods, 1x dark blood cpr Granted, thats allot of faction items...but since this is such a solid ship for NPCing, theres VERY little risk that you will die as long as you stay on ur toes. For PVP I run somthing simular, but not as expensive: Hi: 5x Hvy Electron II, 1x Med dim (or t2) nos Med: 1x t2 MWD, 1x web, 1x scrambler Lo: 1x Med rep II, 2x explo hardener, 2x t2 dmg mods, 1x cpr. And now for my question: LUKEC, do those Ions fit with just one pwr diag II? I thought one would need more to fit them... ___________ WTB Faction MWDs, Med reps, Magnetic Field Stabilizers, CPRs. Contact me!
Farjung	Posted - 2005.06.24 07:44:00 - [14] Originally by: Niaski Zalani For PVP I run somthing simular, but not as expensive: Hi: 5x Hvy Electron II, 1x Med dim (or t2) nos Med: 1x t2 MWD, 1x web, 1x scrambler Lo: 1x Med rep II, 2x explo hardener, 2x t2 dmg mods, 1x cpr. And now for my question: LUKEC, do those Ions fit with just one pwr diag II? I thought one would need more to fit them... The grid you save by not having the medium nos combined with the PDU II will give you what you need. Someone really needs to keep me away from the Taranis
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.06.24 08:12:00 - [15] basicly you will have enough PG for 5x ionsII, t2 repper... and t1 MWD + mods with 1 or 2 pg need.
TuRtLe HeAd	Posted - 2005.06.24 13:32:00 - [16] Edited by: TuRtLe HeAd on 24/06/2005 13:32:34 Edited by: TuRtLe HeAd on 24/06/2005 13:32:09 Thanks guys Some valid input At last. Heres the one i went for in the end. 5 Electronblasters 1 Med Nos 1 MWD 1 Webber 1 Scrambler 1 800mm plate 1 med Armour rep 1 explosive harnder 1 Thermal 1 Em hardner 1 15% Resists to all. Seems to work damn well, And there was me scared about using Electrons ! They are Awesome ! (only using 800mm plate cos theres no PG or CPU left and it still gives armour of 3500 Odd gives resist of about 85% to all except Explosive which is 66% and I can live with that !)
TuRtLe HeAd	Posted - 2005.07.27 23:33:00 - [17] Turns out that setup wasn't that good after all. After Reading the Diemos Thread, Alot of people seem to be going for damage mods. My question is About survivability, Its not a great damage taker without tanking and if you fitting damage mods is your ship lasting the Fight ? Does any one use a setup using plates ?
Amerame	Posted - 2005.07.28 00:07:00 - [18] deimos is a damage ship, don't overtank it, it gets more from dmg mod than from tank mods if you want a tank, go for the ishtar (though fitting one is like a puzzle)
Cividari	Posted - 2005.07.28 01:49:00 - [19] Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd Turns out that setup wasn't that good after all. After Reading the Diemos Thread, Alot of people seem to be going for damage mods. My question is About survivability, Its not a great damage taker without tanking and if you fitting damage mods is your ship lasting the Fight ? Does any one use a setup using plates ? The thing is, you dont have to have an godly tank. Only enough of a tank that will last you through the fight. When fitting damage mods you make battles last shorter and therefor dont need as much of a tank. As for setups, I havent gotten the skills for a Deimos (planning on training for one in a "near future") but while playing around with a Thorax I found a setup that would probably work on a Deimos: High 5Electrons 1Whatever Medium 1MWD 1Webber 1Scrambler Low 1Medium Repair 1Expl Hardener 1800mm Plate And that leaves you with what? 3 meds? to play with, I would go for damage mods since thats what the ship is about. A similer setup fits on a Thorax so I would be supprised if what i mentioned doesnt fit. Wanted for crimes against a rich guy.
Voltron	Posted - 2005.07.28 04:42:00 - [20] Originally by: RUNYOUFOOLS hmm well I know nothing of the diemos but hell i'll give it a shot! highs : 4 75 rails 2 med smartbombs mids : 3 small shield booster's 1 amp lows : 5 27.44% cargo expanders 1 basic damage control Drone bay : as many harvester drones as you can fit (basic mining drone will do at a push but they lack dps) tactics is to warp in and unleash hell with the drones + med smartbomb's while all the while pounding them with the 75m rails. my corpmate use's this set-up and trust me ive never beaten him yet, even my hull tanking scorp was wtfpwned! ps. dont forget to pack the cargo hold wih mega/zyd/bpos or you could try turning on your active brain module 2. I hear they work wonders! I would very much appreciate it RYF if you wouldn't share my deimos pvp setups with the rest of the eve universe..........you'd better not give out my 5 x remote rep ishtar solo pvp setup. Volt
blood red	Posted - 2005.07.28 04:46:00 - [21] deimos with 5 200mm rails will one volley a ceptor at 35km. the falloff bonus works very well for rails, making them extremely accurate. ive had people ask me what blasters i used after chewing them up from 20km. 5 200mm 2 10mn mwd2, 2 cap charger 2 med repper2, explosive hardener 2, energized adaptive nano 2, 2 mag stab 2, and i think you need an rcu 2 to fit but pdu 2 if that will work.
W0lverine	Posted - 2005.07.28 06:45:00 - [22] Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd NO NO NO NO NO DIEMOS + NPC's = WHY ? I got battleships for that Diemos is a PvP vessel, I aint paid too much cash to hunt little rats. PvP ! because its more fun to nPc in then BS?
Sammius Hartpac	Posted - 2005.07.28 16:43:00 - [23] Edited by: Sammius Hartpac on 28/07/2005 16:51:04 Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd Edited by: TuRtLe HeAd on 23/06/2005 12:05:05Its a PvP Ship if you use it for NPC's you've wasted alot of cash. That's a poor statement. You're fired. I fly a deimos with a corpmate who does his level 4 missions. With me there, he does the missions more efficiently, safely and faster, meaning we can cram more missions in, and make more isk (waste of cash?). I don't know about you, but when I lose a HAC in pvp, that's what seems like a waste of money.. lol. Most of the time the loot you find, assuming you survive, isnt going to be worth alot either, in general. So really, if you use your deimos for pvp, chances are you are going be wasting alot of cash. It will be a fun waste of cash, but a waste of cash none the less. A very silly comment you made. I hope you lose many Deimos. That is all.
Macel	Posted - 2005.07.29 15:26:00 - [24] Stupid question here... I can solo 4/10 serp complexes in my enyo no problem (I just cant break the tank on the 2.5 mil BS).. I attribute this to the fact that frigates do little dmg and anything bigger has a hard time hitting me. I want to take my deimos thru one of these plexes and solo the BS, but Im afraid that the deimos will be hit much easier by the BS and cruisers... Would a normal Deimos PVP/roid ratting (ion or electron blasters w/ antimatter, webber, some tankage and some damage moddage in lows) setup be able to tank the 30 odd ships (lots of frigates and cruisers) that you have to fight in the second stage of this complex? It seems to me that even the deimos would have trouble with this many ships, and that fitting it to do damage would be futile.. Would a properly tanked rail setup for the Deimos be better in this case? I was also thinking of using the deimos for level 3 missions, the tougher of which are probably on the same order of difficulty as the serp 4/10s, but with webbing and scrambling ships... I know it sounds silly, but some of the lvl 3s scare me more than the PVPing I plan to do in the thing.. I don't want to lose a deimos to npcs... I just wanted to get some input from people who have experience using deimos in 'dangerous' npcing situations.
Cmdr Patrick	Posted - 2005.07.29 15:39:00 - [25] Originally by: Voltron Originally by: RUNYOUFOOLS hmm well I know nothing of the diemos but hell i'll give it a shot! highs : 4 75 rails 2 med smartbombs mids : 3 small shield booster's 1 amp lows : 5 27.44% cargo expanders 1 basic damage control Drone bay : as many harvester drones as you can fit (basic mining drone will do at a push but they lack dps) tactics is to warp in and unleash hell with the drones + med smartbomb's while all the while pounding them with the 75m rails. my corpmate use's this set-up and trust me ive never beaten him yet, even my hull tanking scorp was wtfpwned! ps. dont forget to pack the cargo hold wih mega/zyd/bpos or you could try turning on your active brain module 2. I hear they work wonders! I would very much appreciate it RYF if you wouldn't share my deimos pvp setups with the rest of the eve universe..........you'd better not give out my 5 x remote rep ishtar solo pvp setup. Volt Volt you mean the 5x remote reps in highs 1x 1mn mwd 3xcaro scanners 1x target painter 4xbasic pdu 1xdamige mods oh and the mining drones. Ikvar > This peice of **** is greifing me
Theta9	Posted - 2005.07.29 16:06:00 - [26] Macel i solo lvl 3 gurista extravaganza missions in my deimos without any problems whatsoever (even the last extra lvl with the bs) you just have to tank acordingly to the damage youll be up against. IE for the gurista i put on some kinetic and themal hardeners and that raven at tthe end does like 50 damage to me with torps (before missle patch) dont even know what he does now that patch has arraived havent done a mission since then. Just make sure you take them in waves IE shoot at one and lure the small group out away from the main body and deal with them one smaller group at a time. And npcing in a deimos is really easy and fun hers my npc setup 5 ION blaster 2's med 10MN AB (Yes ab mwd is more hindering in npc with the cap penalty (there still is a cap penalty just not a big one) and the sig penalty makes bs's hit you regularly with ab they have a hard time hitting you Weber Medium cap battery II lows Medium armor reparier II Cap power relay 2 hardenerII's (suited for rats) tech 2 mag field stablaizer and a PDS II (you know that one that give a boost to about everything i can get like 700 wrecking shots with above setting and if i turn my guns off tank and AB run forever (you have to burst the guns to maintain everything but normaly ships die in like 5 volleys (cruisers)and ive killed tanked bs's in less than a minute with the thing
Voltron	Posted - 2005.07.29 22:23:00 - [27] Originally by: Cmdr Patrick Originally by: Voltron Originally by: RUNYOUFOOLS hmm well I know nothing of the diemos but hell i'll give it a shot! highs : 4 75 rails 2 med smartbombs mids : 3 small shield booster's 1 amp lows : 5 27.44% cargo expanders 1 basic damage control Drone bay : as many harvester drones as you can fit (basic mining drone will do at a push but they lack dps) tactics is to warp in and unleash hell with the drones + med smartbomb's while all the while pounding them with the 75m rails. my corpmate use's this set-up and trust me ive never beaten him yet, even my hull tanking scorp was wtfpwned! ps. dont forget to pack the cargo hold wih mega/zyd/bpos or you could try turning on your active brain module 2. I hear they work wonders! I would very much appreciate it RYF if you wouldn't share my deimos pvp setups with the rest of the eve universe..........you'd better not give out my 5 x remote rep ishtar solo pvp setup. Volt Volt you mean the 5x remote reps in highs 1x 1mn mwd 3xcaro scanners 1x target painter 4xbasic pdu 1xdamige mods oh and the mining drones. oh ffs pat........thats it, you die now.....velator of doom is on its way to your doorstep. Volt
Lilan Kahn	Posted - 2005.07.29 22:39:00 - [28] a ship is a ship wether its pvp or pve what ever floats lilans generic setup 5 electrons II 10mn mwd II web warp scrambler 1 medium armor rep II 2 hardners of what ever 2 cap relays 1 800mm plate t tanks like a *** and with maxed skills you get around 120% dmg mod with no extar dmg mods Originally by:** Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
TuRtLe HeAd	Posted - 2005.07.30 11:12:00 - [29] Originally by: Lilan Kahn a ship is a ship wether its pvp or pve what ever floats lilans generic setup 5 electrons II 10mn mwd II web warp scrambler 1 medium armor rep II 2 hardners of what ever 2 cap relays 1 800mm plate t tanks like a ***** and with maxed skills you get around 120% dmg mod with no extar dmg mods Thats almost the same as what i use. And find it amazing.
Porro	Posted - 2005.07.30 14:28:00 - [30] Try mixing blasters, so you can wedge on the damage mods, and hardeners without any fitting mods.

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