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Bubba Fett
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Posted - 2005.06.25 20:49:00 -
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There have been a number of discussions about ships having crews. Most people seem to think that the only one on a ship in EVE is the pod pilot.
If that's the case, why build a ship with windows?
Is it that the ship manufacturers are afraid to fire up a cad program and change the blueprint? If that were the case why not simply make the window out of the same material as hull armour? Of course this is the distant future. Maybe the window material is stronger than the hull armour. But if that were the case, why not make the entire ship out of it?
And what about ships that have been extensivly re-designed recently giving us interceptors, assault frigates, bombers, and covert ops. Supposedly they've had the best research minds in the galaxy inventing these and yet they put in windows to accomodate crews that haven't been aboard for over 100 years?
I'd say it's far more likely that they DO have support crews aboard and they're just not talked about by the glory-hogging pod pilots.
Because of the high g-forces of the ship moving in combat, they'd probably be confined to accelleration couches with brainscanners in case things went bad in combat and they needed to activate clones.
Once the fight was over they could come out and work on damage repair, change lightbulbs, or whatever ship crews do in the future.
And why would a person want to sign on to work on a ship that's probably going to get destroyed?
A free clone to fix any physical defects they might have. These would probably only cost a couple hundred isk since the best spacer would have FAR less training than even the newest pod pilot.
Good wages (by planetary standards) paid by the spacers guild. This cash could come from station taxes on refining/recycling, repair costs, and a portion of the concord bounty fund. The ship owner wouldn't even need to get directly involved in hiring or paying his crew.
Of course the main reason to sign on to a warship is that you get to see the galaxy.
In my opinion, the windows on EVERY ship in the game pretty much prove the existance of crews.
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2005.06.25 20:54:00 -
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think the way it goes is that only a small number of people (us) are pod pilots..
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2005.06.25 20:57:00 -
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Almost all ships have crews, including frigates. Capsule fitted ships have much less crew than regular ships, but the pilot isn't alone. A battleship can have anywhere from 3000 to 7000 crew, depending on the class.
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LoKesh
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Posted - 2005.06.25 20:58:00 -
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Yes, we still have a crew - just no bridge crew.
Forsaken Ruins, page 32, second paragraph:
See here
And in a few other of the back/short stories I believe.
Made you a linkie :) -Capsicum
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2005.06.25 21:06:00 -
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Yea, but the crew really only exists in the background story, not in game.
It was fun in elite though, where you had to hire a crew for some of the bigger ships, and pay them of course.
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Zoidberg ENB
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Posted - 2005.06.25 21:35:00 -
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Windows make ships pretty.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.06.25 21:57:00 -
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None of my ships have windows.
They all have Linux.
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Siri Danae
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Posted - 2005.06.25 22:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Wrangler
Yea, but the crew really only exists in the background story, not in game.
It was fun in elite though, where you had to hire a crew for some of the bigger ships, and pay them of course.
But they do exist. We're just apathetic towards them.
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HeLlRaIzA666
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Posted - 2005.06.25 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
None of my ships have windows.
They all have Linux.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2005.06.25 22:10:00 -
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In beta the ship infoscreen even showed the number of crewmembers although it was really just that - a number.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2005.06.25 22:22:00 -
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Your ship is crewed by penguins?
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LNX Flocki
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Posted - 2005.06.25 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Adonis 4174
Your ship is crewed by penguins?
Better than having Bill G. mess with your multimillion ISK investment ...
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Adhamhnon
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Posted - 2005.06.25 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Adhamhnon on 25/06/2005 22:49:14
Bah, someone beat me to the joke.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2005.06.25 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: Hllaxiu on 25/06/2005 22:53:21
Originally by: Adonis 4174
Your ship is crewed by penguins?
Not just penguins, but penguins like this guy who enjoys a pipe.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2005.06.25 23:00:00 -
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He may enjoy a pipe, but my penguin knows Kung Fu!
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LNX Flocki
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Posted - 2005.06.25 23:07:00 -
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Edited by: LNX Flocki on 25/06/2005 23:07:35
Mine likes to touch himself 
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H0ot
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Posted - 2005.06.25 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler
It was fun in elite though, where you had to hire a crew for some of the bigger ships, and pay them of course.
ISK sink anyone? 
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Ekscalybur
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Posted - 2005.06.25 23:23:00 -
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I've been wondering the same thing that you have been in regards to POS's. I'm new to the game, but I know they exist, and if they are anything like the stations I dock with throughout the game, they'd need crews/population in the tens of thousands.
Maybe that's why crews aren't bothered with in game. The large ships and POS's would require so many people that even having a simplified crew interface would become a logistical nightmare if it were going to be anything other than pointless background noise for the game.
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Eriv Kendri
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Posted - 2005.06.25 23:25:00 -
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Yeap, that'd be a good isk sink. It could even be a new use for leadership skills and better crews would cost more per diem to pay. Easy to implement as well since the crew could be treated just like any other module.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.06.25 23:25:00 -
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i tend to transport lots of nice plants in my ship, thy need light, so I asked for windows in everyship
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Kyle Caldrel
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Posted - 2005.06.25 23:28:00 -
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I often keep passengers on my ships. They need the view.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2005.06.25 23:39:00 -
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I'm just waiting for a damn penguin in the signatures, like the bunny.. 
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Aitrus
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Posted - 2005.06.26 01:35:00 -
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Also keep in mind that most of the ships were designed before pod technology was introduced. The ships were retrofitted with the pods. Hence windows.
I can picture a ship captain walking to the bridge of his Apocalypse, seeing all the dark consoles, unused and covered in a layer of dust...
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Balazs Simon
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Posted - 2005.06.26 02:44:00 -
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Edited by: Balazs Simon on 26/06/2005 02:49:56
Originally by: Wrangler
I'm just waiting for a damn penguin in the signatures, like the bunny..
Here you go:
DAMN.. sorry.. I tryed.. but it just can't be posted here... forum filtered out the "space" characters and the whole thing messesd up.. :(
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Kade Shaderow
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Posted - 2005.06.26 03:49:00 -
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Edited by: Kade Shaderow on 26/06/2005 03:50:09
The idea of having crews on these ships put in the backstory, and worse, an in-game mechanic, are quite honestly the stupidest things I have ever heard.
"HAY GUYZ WOULDN'T IT BE COOL TO HAVE TO HIRE 7,000 PEOPLE, THEN PAY THEIR WIDOWS BECAUSE YOU GOT THEIR HUSBANDS KILLED ON YOUR LATEST IDIOTIC QUEST THROUGH THE GALAXY?!"
No. Screw you. Keep your bad ideas in your crapass fan fiction.
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Brej Donierik
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Posted - 2005.06.26 05:05:00 -
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Edited by: Brej Donierik on 26/06/2005 05:08:48
How about "your pod's sensors are not designed to detect, and show you, the thousands of escape pods that the crew uses, because that's the least of your worries; you're still in combat, after all."
Problem solved. Maybe have CCP recode the whole kill mail thing to include mail spam from all the "widows" hating you for being stupid and dying and killing their spouse too. That should solve the problem till we all get fed up with it and start whining about the spam.
Or maybe implement a point-of-no-return where, once your ship gets to a quarter hull left, all your crew ejects, and it becomes inoperable. Guaranteed death cause your crew has ejected, per standard procedure.
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Pharcite
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Posted - 2005.06.26 05:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kade Shaderow
Edited by: Kade Shaderow on 26/06/2005 03:50:09
The idea of having crews on these ships put in the backstory, and worse, an in-game mechanic, are quite honestly the stupidest things I have ever heard.
"HAY GUYZ WOULDN'T IT BE COOL TO HAVE TO HIRE 7,000 PEOPLE, THEN PAY THEIR WIDOWS BECAUSE YOU GOT THEIR HUSBANDS KILLED ON YOUR LATEST IDIOTIC QUEST THROUGH THE GALAXY?!"
No. Screw you. Keep your bad ideas in your crapass fan fiction.
Considering some of the starting corps, like Caldari Navy, Imperial Acadamy, etc., would it not be plausible that the crew are other members of the school that havent risen to the rank of Pod Captain yet? I don't believe the idea of ships having crews to be a stupid one at all.
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Maxine Stirner
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Posted - 2005.06.26 06:16:00 -
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Get rid of insurance and battleship losses will seem a little bit more realistic to the player that is losing. A frig only has a crew of 1-3 apparently.
Maybe you should lose faction standing or something equally abstract when you lose a battleship. You could basically lose your captain's license for not going down with the ship in Caldari territory if you took on Caldari crewmembers.
They would have to enforce that with fines instead of shooting yet another battleship out from under you of course, thus banning one to the outskirts.
That would be an interesting mechanic - in order for most pilots to operate in empire space, they would have to bond their pod's fate to that of their ship. It would at least make it easier to claim bounties. Also, running npcs in empire would carry a new risk.. those guys should always kill you. And then there is the option of gentility in 0.0 space between elites, although crews would probably cost more knowing it was a likely a suicide mission. Maybe we need more crew members in a lifepod that travels to planets. Rescuing it saves a bunch of money or something.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.06.26 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: Siri Danae
Originally by: Wrangler
Yea, but the crew really only exists in the background story, not in game.
It was fun in elite though, where you had to hire a crew for some of the bigger ships, and pay them of course.
But they do exist. We're just apathetic towards them.
I'd be apathetic but I cant be bothered.
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Aalekzander Sevvari
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Posted - 2005.06.26 08:57:00 -
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The only ships that do not have a crew are the frigate-class ships. There are many references to current pod-pilots using cruiser+ class ships mentioning their crew memebers. One even going so far as to saying something along the lines of (in the chronicals) how he could see his crew memebers running throughout the ship putting out fires, closing down damaged areas, and general chaos while he remained safe and secure in his podded enclosure.
These ships do have crew, and the chronicals still prove this age old argument.
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Thyro
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Posted - 2005.06.26 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Zoidberg ENB
Windows make ships pretty.
I just hope that are not XP sp2
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Matthew Johnson
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Posted - 2005.07.01 10:17:00 -
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Edited by: Matthew Johnson on 01/07/2005 10:17:47
Originally by: Thyro
Originally by: Zoidberg ENB
Windows make ships pretty.
I just hope that are not XP sp2
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Combat Your 75mm Gatling Railgun I strikes Windows SP2 Firewall, wrecking for 1983.2 dmg
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Gothan
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Posted - 2005.07.01 10:24:00 -
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Mmm, I have a crew... Its called an "exotic dancer".
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Sku1ly
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Posted - 2005.07.01 12:09:00 -
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Amarr would have it easy ;).
Just pick up any old random Minmatar and dope it up.
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Atandros
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Posted - 2005.07.01 13:48:00 -
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Edited by: Atandros on 01/07/2005 13:48:32
Originally by: Kade Shaderow
Edited by: Kade Shaderow on 26/06/2005 03:50:09
The idea of having crews on these ships put in the backstory, and worse, an in-game mechanic, are quite honestly the stupidest things I have ever heard.
"HAY GUYZ WOULDN'T IT BE COOL TO HAVE TO HIRE 7,000 PEOPLE, THEN PAY THEIR WIDOWS BECAUSE YOU GOT THEIR HUSBANDS KILLED ON YOUR LATEST IDIOTIC QUEST THROUGH THE GALAXY?!"
No. Screw you. Keep your bad ideas in your crapass fan fiction.
Fanfiction?
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/4168/fanfestcrew0us.jpg
http://web.archive.org/web/20031008080747/www.eve-online.com/shipdatabase/ -> http://web.archive.org/web/20031010135031/http://www.eve-online.com/shipdatabase/gallente/gb2/data.jpg
http://www.eve-online.com/races/forsakenruins/page_03.asp?pp=background%2Cstories ->
"Mattias focused the drone cameras on the Blackbird, inspecting the massive gashes in its hull. Judging from the metallic carnage, he estimated that sections of at least 6 decks were now exposed directly to space. Somewhere beneath where he was sitting, hundreds of crewmembers were sealing off compartments, fighting electrical fires and desperately struggling to keep his ship's vital systems functioning. How many of them died because of this, he wondered. As the captain of the ship, he was sealed inside a pod made of an ultra-strong, Jovian-manufactured alloy and neurologically connected to the Blackbird's systems."
If this doesn't settle the issue once and for all, I can't imagine what will
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.07.01 13:54:00 -
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<3 ata
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Siri Danae
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Posted - 2005.07.01 14:38:00 -
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Edited by: Siri Danae on 01/07/2005 14:40:06
Originally by: Atandros
Originally by: Kade Shaderow
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No. Screw you. Keep your bad ideas in your crapass fan fiction.
Fanfiction?
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"Mattias focused the drone cameras on the Blackbird, inspecting the massive gashes in its hull. Judging from the metallic carnage, he estimated that sections of at least 6 decks were now exposed directly to space. Somewhere beneath where he was sitting, hundreds of crewmembers were sealing off compartments, fighting electrical fires and desperately struggling to keep his ship's vital systems functioning. How many of them died because of this, he wondered. As the captain of the ship, he was sealed inside a pod made of an ultra-strong, Jovian-manufactured alloy and neurologically connected to the Blackbird's systems."
If this doesn't settle the issue once and for all, I can't imagine what will
You sir, are an optimist. Others and I have probably posted that quote once a week for the last month in one thread or another. Next week the same question will be raised and the 'no one exists but me' crowd will reappear in all their majesty.
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CargoCult
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Posted - 2005.07.01 15:03:00 -
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8 wierd forums posts in a row
= definatly friady
cheers!
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