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Lady Organa
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Posted - 2005.06.26 06:16:00 -
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I see the Stain Empire has granted admission to The Priory. For those who dont know these gank happy pirates camp gates and shoot up newbies among other pirate like crimes. Why are Stains members putting up with having such people in the alliance? Stain used to be the one alliance with some class and the respect of many. Now with the best of them gone and pirates running the place theyre no better then Curse. Now theyll end up like Curse too as they fade into oblivian.
Lady Organa
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Leno
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Posted - 2005.06.26 06:24:00 -
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can we just make a standard form for this with an "insert alliance name here" are pirates b/c they let in "insert corp name here" in?
That would save us alot of time.. ---------------
RIP - Smoske, My Friend
Coasterbrian > babies are good, especially raw Coasterbrian > soft and crunchy at the same time
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benwallace
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Posted - 2005.06.26 06:28:00 -
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killing neutrals in 0.0 is not pirating --------------------------
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Kyle Caldrel
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Posted - 2005.06.26 06:34:00 -
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Atuk are pirates too 
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jamesw
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Posted - 2005.06.26 06:45:00 -
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stain are definitely pirates
they shot me once -- jamesw Rubra Libertas Militia Latest Video: Vertigo in Stain |

Lorth
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Posted - 2005.06.26 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kyle Caldrel Atuk are pirates too 
Thought they were in contract with Shinra to meet the mineral needs of GODS?
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Novah
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Posted - 2005.06.26 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Organa Why are Stains members putting up with having such people in the alliance? Stain used to be the one alliance with some class and the respect of many. Now with the best of them gone and pirates running the place theyre no better then Curse.
Ok,
Lady Organa The Priory are good friends of the Coalition (Species predominantly). As you may have read on the forums Species has rejoined the Stain Empire in the last week. Species asked that the priory join our empire so that they can fly with us under a united banner with a common goal. This goal is in no way to be interpreted as "pirating". We have 2 empire wars at the moment. Either way you look at it the most effective way of fighting a large enemy is having large numbers yourself and as we all know gate camps form a common part of 0.0 life.
Stain cannot be held responsible for any past historys that our member corps have and we ask that they cease any hostilities with their enemies before signing up. To my knowledge this is the case with the priory.
In your statement about Stain earning your respect........Nothing has changed. We are still the core members corps and over the last few months plenty of corps have come and gone. Its the old stain with a fresh face. Numbers are good and morale is high.....Stain isnt going anywhere!!
Novah (SEI) ********************************************************* Intersteller eXodus - Making Stain A Happier Place To Raise Your Family.
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Lady Organa
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Posted - 2005.06.26 08:06:00 -
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Quote: "Lady Organa The Priory are good friends of the Coalition (Species predominantly). As you may have read on the forums Species has rejoined the Stain Empire in the last week. Species asked that the priory join our empire so that they can fly with us under a united banner with a common goal. This goal is in no way to be interpreted as "pirating". We have 2 empire wars at the moment. Either way you look at it the most effective way of fighting a large enemy is having large numbers yourself and as we all know gate camps form a common part of 0.0 life.
Stain cannot be held responsible for any past historys that our member corps have and we ask that they cease any hostilities with their enemies before signing up. To my knowledge this is the case with the priory.
In your statement about Stain earning your respect........Nothing has changed. We are still the core members corps and over the last few months plenty of corps have come and gone. Its the old stain with a fresh face. Numbers are good and morale is high.....Stain isnt going anywhere!!"
Im sorry Novah you cant just expect people to forget a corps past because they join your alliance. The Priory have been gate camping pirates of the first order. I could care less who is a friend of Species if you let Priory in your might as well let in m0o as well same difference. I assume then that your members from The Priory are no longer going to be outside Stain space shooting at neutrals? When they do will you take evidence and expel them or will you pull a Curse and just write it off by saying you can't control your members. I'm sorry but Stain needs to evaluate who is a friend here. There are alot of people in Eve who respect Stain and alot of people who completely confused over why Stain letting a recognized pirate corp in. I fear the old guard corps may have lost the power and the Species and Priory pirate crowd has taken over. What else are we to think?
Lady Organa
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benwallace
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Posted - 2005.06.26 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Organa
Quote: "Lady Organa The Priory are good friends of the Coalition (Species predominantly). As you may have read on the forums Species has rejoined the Stain Empire in the last week. Species asked that the priory join our empire so that they can fly with us under a united banner with a common goal. This goal is in no way to be interpreted as "pirating". We have 2 empire wars at the moment. Either way you look at it the most effective way of fighting a large enemy is having large numbers yourself and as we all know gate camps form a common part of 0.0 life.
Stain cannot be held responsible for any past historys that our member corps have and we ask that they cease any hostilities with their enemies before signing up. To my knowledge this is the case with the priory.
In your statement about Stain earning your respect........Nothing has changed. We are still the core members corps and over the last few months plenty of corps have come and gone. Its the old stain with a fresh face. Numbers are good and morale is high.....Stain isnt going anywhere!!"
Im sorry Novah you cant just expect people to forget a corps past because they join your alliance. The Priory have been gate camping pirates of the first order. I could care less who is a friend of Species if you let Priory in your might as well let in m0o as well same difference. I assume then that your members from The Priory are no longer going to be outside Stain space shooting at neutrals? When they do will you take evidence and expel them or will you pull a Curse and just write it off by saying you can't control your members. I'm sorry but Stain needs to evaluate who is a friend here. There are alot of people in Eve who respect Stain and alot of people who completely confused over why Stain letting a recognized pirate corp in. I fear the old guard corps may have lost the power and the Species and Priory pirate crowd has taken over. What else are we to think?
Lady Organa
maybe if you posted with your main stain would care --------------------------
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Khaerie
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Posted - 2005.06.26 08:14:00 -
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What's the matter Ms. Alt? Not getting enough attention on your main character?
Felt like stirring the pot and giving other people grief? I guess that means you too are a bad bad person and should not be listened to or tolerated.
Guess what, judgement works both ways.
2nd in Command for Stain Empire Foreign Affairs CEO |

Novah
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Posted - 2005.06.26 08:48:00 -
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Edited by: Novah on 26/06/2005 08:48:53
Originally by: Lady Organa I could care less who is a friend of Species if you let Priory in your might as well let in m0o as well same difference. I assume then that your members from The Priory are no longer going to be outside Stain space shooting at neutrals? When they do will you take evidence and expel them or will you pull a Curse and just write it off by saying you can't control your members
Lady Organa, It certainly sounds like you have an issue with the priory. I sould suggest in your best interest that you drop the grudge. Hell SE has had grudges with lots of corps out there. We had a long standing grudge with the Red Alliance and in recent weeks we have patched things up and we have even flown along side eachother. Grudges are not a good thing and they will only wear you down.
Needless to say Stain is a entity that has been in this game from pretty much day 1. We are always aware of the corps that we allow into the alliance and we vet each one on their qualities. We didnt take The Priory into stain based on their so called "pirate".....that would be silly. We took them in based on their PvP abilities and with a vouch from certain trusted sources they posed no threat to the empire.
Stain is in FULL control of its members. The HC have good working relations with the CEO's of member corps are we are always taking advise on what corps want from the alliance. If this wernt the case then why have an alliance?
On the subject of Mo0...... I think you need to get upto date on the current politics of corps out there. Mo0 disbanded about 4-5 weeks ago. ********************************************************* Intersteller eXodus - Making Stain A Happier Place To Raise Your Family.
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Ka'lorn Font'a
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Posted - 2005.06.26 08:59:00 -
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Quote: Stain is in FULL control of its members. The HC have good working relations with the CEO's of member corps are we are always taking advise on what corps want from the alliance. If this wernt the case then why have an alliance?
If Stain are in full control of their members, then why have I received reports of them opening fire on an Aegis Militia Megathron in Kheram this morning?
The Priory member would be Oodlebang Slipstop, in a Sniping Megathron. Aegis Militia have no business with Stain, other than being an old enemy of The Priory, yet he was still attacked unprovoked?
Ka'lorn Font'a Vice Admiral PIE Inc.
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Novah
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Posted - 2005.06.26 09:05:00 -
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Send me a copy of the kill mail ingame and ill look into it.
Its only a report as you said but untill its confirmed i cant investigate
********************************************************* Intersteller eXodus - Making Stain A Happier Place To Raise Your Family.
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Ka'lorn Font'a
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Posted - 2005.06.26 09:07:00 -
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No kill was made, but I shall strive to obtain combat logs from the Aegis member in question
Ka'lorn Font'a Vice Admiral PIE Inc.
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Li1ith
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Posted - 2005.06.26 09:18:00 -
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somewhere i remember that the objective of the game is to have fun.
so what if you were pirating few weeks ago. now u are mining agenting or PvP.
what matters is what u are doing now in order to have fun.
(<----goes to get that cheep bottle of Red wine while on autopilot in 0.0) |

Weeman
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Posted - 2005.06.26 09:48:00 -
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Ok firstly im glad to see that we've annoyed someone significantly enough to hold this kind of grudge...go us \o/
Tbh he probably shot you because you were -10. Now i know SE are friends with CVA yada yada yada, but after everything that has happened between CVA and the old SC i cant honestly say in my personal view there will ever be a time CVA will be set to + standings. Not after you backstabbed us the way in which you did.
So get down off of your high horse proclaiming an alliance to be pirates because of one corp that likes to shoot neutrals in 0.0 - oh and if you can named me a corp that doesnt shoot neutrals in 0.0 please please please evemail me so i can tell them why they should. Thanks mate, you can get back to your veldspar in sarum prime now.
Nerf Resistance/Rank 5/SP: 1240731 of 1280000  |

FileCop AI
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Posted - 2005.06.26 09:52:00 -
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The great god of amarr came to me. He said:
Thy must shoot anything in your sight or Thor - evegod of lasers - will put his hammer in your crunch.
FileCop AI of MASS Co-CEO |

Novah
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Posted - 2005.06.26 09:52:00 -
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Ok,
Next person to post is a muppett.......
This is turning into a pointless flamefest.... Lets forget everything and kiss and make better.
Ok
********************************************************* Intersteller eXodus - Making Stain A Happier Place To Raise Your Family.
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Hast
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Posted - 2005.06.26 10:07:00 -
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hi novah \o 
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The Dark
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Posted - 2005.06.26 10:12:00 -
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Everyone is killing everyone in 0.0 space now... eve's a bit of a joke tbh.
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Darko1107
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Posted - 2005.06.26 10:20:00 -
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<3 teh novah.
Yes im a muppet.
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Touk
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Posted - 2005.06.26 10:20:00 -
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are there such things as pirates in 0.0....or just ppl that kill neutrals......personnaly...i think not...witht he exception of those that call themselves pirates and are accepted as such by everyone else.....
im really enjoying the south atm.......lots of fighting and fun for all.....best of all its been going on for a whiel that most enemies have come to know each other and have a nice chat while they are hunting eachother which is nice :D
see ya in the pipe.....well....you will proberly see my corpse but i wont be able to look back.
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Christopher Multsanti
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Posted - 2005.06.26 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: The Dark Everyone is killing everyone in 0.0 space now... eve's a bit of a joke tbh.
I have to agree that 0.0 has gone crazy lately its all our war everywhere...but it's certainly not a joke, it's fun!
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2005.06.26 10:36:00 -
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The priory joined stain? lol .. eww ------------------
Run and fall or stand in line, in the end what's your's is mine |

Ka'lorn Font'a
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Posted - 2005.06.26 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Weeman Ok firstly im glad to see that we've annoyed someone significantly enough to hold this kind of grudge...go us \o/
Tbh he probably shot you because you were -10. Now i know SE are friends with CVA yada yada yada, but after everything that has happened between CVA and the old SC i cant honestly say in my personal view there will ever be a time CVA will be set to + standings. Not after you backstabbed us the way in which you did.
So get down off of your high horse proclaiming an alliance to be pirates because of one corp that likes to shoot neutrals in 0.0 - oh and if you can named me a corp that doesnt shoot neutrals in 0.0 please please please evemail me so i can tell them why they should. Thanks mate, you can get back to your veldspar in sarum prime now.
A couple of points to bear:
I did not, in any way, accuse Stain of being pirates - a lot of them I have much respect for.
Th person whom was shot at was not CVA, he was Aegis Militia.
Ka'lorn Font'a Vice Admiral PIE Inc.
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joefishy
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Posted - 2005.06.26 10:42:00 -
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umm chicken taste good ! prefrably in soup !
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Weeman
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Posted - 2005.06.26 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: ParMizaN The priory joined stain? lol .. eww
Its not SE. SE joined the coalition under the SE name. Its a small difference, but an important one :P Its a new SE entirely, no council, no bull, plenty of nads
Nerf Resistance/Rank 5/SP: 1240731 of 1280000  |

Berneh
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Posted - 2005.06.26 11:06:00 -
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oodlebang rocks my world *swoon* maybe a drunk 0.0 fest is on the cards again old bean 
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GangMe
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Posted - 2005.06.26 11:09:00 -
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SE are just back stabing pirates, and now they have to log off girls join them (mass and co)
and yes i'm an alt
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Christopher Multsanti
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Posted - 2005.06.26 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Weeman
Originally by: ParMizaN The priory joined stain? lol .. eww
Its not SE. SE joined the coalition under the SE name. Its a small difference, but an important one :P Its a new SE entirely, no council, no bull, plenty of nads
Wow, maybe SE should have some sort of official post saying that, because that seems like a big change not to mention.
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Cartiff
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Posted - 2005.06.26 11:23:00 -
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no no chris, that would be too logical
Cartiff, CEO Euphoria Released NBSI 4TW
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Weeman
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Posted - 2005.06.26 11:24:00 -
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Not really, its an internal matter and not a huge huge change. Not everything needs a great big **** off forum announcement so everyone can flame it.
People would do well to remember that
Nerf Resistance/Rank 5/SP: 1240731 of 1280000  |

Vegas
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Posted - 2005.06.26 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Weeman
Originally by: ParMizaN The priory joined stain? lol .. eww
Its not SE. SE joined the coalition under the SE name. Its a small difference, but an important one :P Its a new SE entirely, no council, no bull, plenty of nads
lol ---------------------------------------- In Vegas, The house always Wins!! |

FileCop AI
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Posted - 2005.06.26 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: GangMe SE are just back stabing pirates, and now they have to log off girls join them (mass and co)
and yes i'm an alt
Did mass join stain? I don't see a "stain empire" tag under my name. Oh well, guess something passed my head. Can't know everything as co-ceo of a corporation, can I. Especially about being part of an alliance.
FileCop AI of MASS Co-CEO |

Trakh Shardan
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Posted - 2005.06.26 11:58:00 -
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mabey the ALT !!! shoud learn to read. and Priory ar uberduperhoera pilots so dont cry and go cerabear MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMKAY.................Mass |

Kozlack
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Posted - 2005.06.26 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Organa I see the Stain Empire has granted admission to The Priory. For those who dont know these gank happy pirates camp gates and shoot up newbies among other pirate like crimes. Why are Stains members putting up with having such people in the alliance? Stain used to be the one alliance with some class and the respect of many. Now with the best of them gone and pirates running the place theyre no better then Curse. Now theyll end up like Curse too as they fade into oblivian.
Lady Organa
*Cough*Go to Empire and Hug your Veld*Cough* *Cough*Dont be mad you got ganked*Cough* *Cough*The affairs of Stain aren't for you to worry about*Cough* *Cough*Wuss alt poster*Cough* *Cough*Go Away*Cough* *Cough*If it Aint Blue It's Goo*Cough*
*Cough*<3 Stain*Cough*

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Angelus X
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Posted - 2005.06.26 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Weeman So get down off of your high horse proclaiming an alliance to be pirates because of one corp that likes to shoot neutrals in 0.0 - oh and if you can named me a corp that doesnt shoot neutrals in 0.0 please please please evemail me so i can tell them why they should. <blah blah, insert lame veldspar joke>.
Does this mean that Stain Empire won't mind you guys shooting neutrals outside of SE territory?
Oh, and I can think of several dozen corps off the top of my head that don't shoot neutrals in 0.0, including my own.
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Ban Tier
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Posted - 2005.06.26 12:16:00 -
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Hi Novah,
Quote:
Stain is in FULL control of its members. The HC have good working relations with the CEO's of member corps are we are always taking advise on what corps want from the alliance. If this wernt the case then why have an alliance?
On the subject of Mo0...... I think you need to get upto date on the current politics of corps out there. Mo0 disbanded about 4-5 weeks ago.
sorry that I must kill that illusion. Another corp in your lines, which is well known as gate camper, is FURY. And guess what, even after joining your Alliance, we found a member of FURY trying to sell their "pass" in Kamih, which is definetly empire space.
You should take this threat seriously. My corp held SE in high respect for a long time, but we really wondered, why FURY was able to join you. And it is not that simple to say, no matter what you have done before, come to SE and your corp historie will be forgetten ...
I would love to see an alliance, which continous to stand to their high principles, so pls don't disappoint me.
Grettings, Ban
P.S.: I needed, I can proof this of course with a chatlog and we took take of this idiot and blew him out of his ship so this is just ment as an friendly information to you.
CEO Times-of-Ancar Infos: http://www.times-of-ancar.de
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Hast
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Posted - 2005.06.26 13:25:00 -
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The best reasons I have for shooting neutrals in 0.0 is that its yay \o/ targets and neutrals usually shoot at me if I dont shoot first
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Druida
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Posted - 2005.06.26 13:51:00 -
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PRIORY: Just to remember u guys that STAIN Empire and Huzzah Federation have a BLUE NAP.
Now that u guys r STAIN we hope that u cease fire.
If u guys r not pirates, then RESPECT THE NAP!!
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Nitehawk
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Posted - 2005.06.26 14:18:00 -
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Edited by: Nitehawk on 26/06/2005 14:18:20
Originally by: Novah Ok,
Next person to post is a muppett.......
This is turning into a pointless flamefest.... Lets forget everything and kiss and make better.
Ok
I was recently accused of being a 'bobbett'...is that anything like a 'muppet'?? 
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Stormfront
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Posted - 2005.06.26 14:27:00 -
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I believe that Bobbets are known for cutting of some rather useful parts from the mans private region.
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Shiwan Khan
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Posted - 2005.06.26 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Organa I see the Stain Empire has granted admission to The Priory. For those who dont know these gank happy pirates camp gates and shoot up newbies among other pirate like crimes. Why are Stains members putting up with having such people in the alliance? Stain used to be the one alliance with some class and the respect of many. Now with the best of them gone and pirates running the place theyre no better then Curse. Now theyll end up like Curse too as they fade into oblivian.
Lady Organa
Curse was THE BEST group of PvP'ers in eve. Fighter for fighter we stood alone. They should only hope to be as good as we were.
2005.06.17 07:15:13 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes Nebba Kenezzer [SNRA], wrecking for 2250.9 damage. |

Nick Curso
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Posted - 2005.06.26 14:41:00 -
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So much..just so much...just so much utter bull **** in this thread.
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Naverin
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Posted - 2005.06.26 15:59:00 -
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HI... I was here.. that is all.
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Trina Tron
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Posted - 2005.06.26 16:09:00 -
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When havent se been Pie rats???? hahahahahhahaahhaha
/emotes so lame :(
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Tiwaz
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Posted - 2005.06.26 16:15:00 -
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SE piwats?? I KNEW IT  
/emote lets one go
There is no innocence, only degrees of guilt. Only we are Righteous.
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s4mp3r0r
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Posted - 2005.06.26 20:24:00 -
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kozlack is too*****y for his own health.
/emote smacks koz.
Now, back to business, HI MOM IM ON A FORUM BEING CALLED A PIRATE !!1111oneoneonelevenetcetc
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Valdi
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Posted - 2005.06.26 20:33:00 -
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MASS are pirates  yarrr --- We just came to crush...
Director of Recruitment
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General Killah
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Posted - 2005.06.26 23:24:00 -
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1. Curse was the best alliance ever to exist in EVE,
2. Curse were not pirates, everyone hated them so they shot everyone, when no one is your friend why would you not shoot them?
3. There is no such thing as pirates in 0.0, it's called shooting anyone who isn't friendly, there is no way to know if someone is friendly when they are just wandering in 0.0, so you shoot it.
4. You must be upset because your main was killed by Stain? ---------------------------------
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Chrisb6122
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Posted - 2005.06.26 23:37:00 -
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All I can say is lol to this thread
Magnet41 > i kill people ingame because i would take a bigger sec if i killed them in rl |

Northius
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Posted - 2005.06.26 23:52:00 -
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To all the comedy muppets who have a problem with us in SE...CRY ME A RIVER
We have had some great times fighting with The Coalition and will continue to have such super-jolly times within SE. Its nice to see we have caused such controvesry already and we have not even begun shooting neutrals yet!! 
If anyone wishes to discuss the problems with us in SE please talk too our offical Stain Rep. ''Siobhan'', Cheers. NO MOAN TO SMALL GIVE HER A CALL 0800 omgwtfpiracy
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shivan
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Posted - 2005.06.27 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ka'lorn Font'a
Quote: Stain is in FULL control of its members. The HC have good working relations with the CEO's of member corps are we are always taking advise on what corps want from the alliance. If this wernt the case then why have an alliance?
If Stain are in full control of their members, then why have I received reports of them opening fire on an Aegis Militia Megathron in Kheram this morning?
The Priory member would be Oodlebang Slipstop, in a Sniping Megathron. Aegis Militia have no business with Stain, other than being an old enemy of The Priory, yet he was still attacked unprovoked?
CVA are KOS
That is all --------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination
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Keta Min
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Posted - 2005.06.27 00:41:00 -
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absolutely impossible. i can't imagine a fellow corp member shooting an other person. fitting anything else than mining lasers is considered very offensive and a reason to be kicked from the corp. this is scandalous. what is the world comig to..?
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2005.06.27 01:36:00 -
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Please call 1800-713-STAIN to get your loot back  --------------------------------------
We are The Collective. Resistance is futile. |

Andromedus
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Posted - 2005.06.27 01:58:00 -
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there is no such thing as a pirate in eve.
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Dufas
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Posted - 2005.06.27 02:29:00 -
[57]
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeman

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Weeman
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Posted - 2005.06.27 08:14:00 -
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Id like to summise this thread as quickly as possible so it can now be locked.
1) CVA omgohnoesbuhuhu i got shot it 2) <Insert general flameage> 3) <Insert comedy comments> 4) YES CVA ARE KOS TO SE 5) Lo Duffy :)
Cheers youve been a wonderful audience. Locky locky 
Nerf Resistance/Rank 5/SP: 1240731 of 1280000  |

Riddari
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Posted - 2005.06.27 10:38:00 -
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Your powers of political speak are weak.
My summary:
1) Why have Stain accepted several known pirating corporations?
DEFINITION: Pirating involves shooting at random passers-by in EMPIRE SPACE (not 0.0), something Priory and bedfellows have boasted about.
2) Stain didn't accept them, they joined the Coalition
3) Err no they didn't! says MASS
4) Stain/Coalition does a complete u-turn on standings following their new ruler class of Species and Priory and puts AM and CVA on KOS
5) Former Soul Cartel member cries that CVA shot them because, OMG, they were pirating in low sec space. So unfair! 6) Stain diplomats seem to have missed the memo of them joining the Coalition and state that they can't be held responsible for the corporations that are joining them.
YES THEY CAN! What sort of idiotic statement is "we don't control who joins us" anyways?
7) SE tries to ridicule topic and lots of people jump in and say 0.0 isn't pirating, thereby completely ignoring the low security events that have occured and furthermore just made a very half-arsed attempt at saying piracy doesn't exist.
I'm totally unimpressed by the new ruling class of SE and wait to see what more Blue Standing alliances to Stain will be set to red without prior warning or reasoning.
SE, the new U-Turn!
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Raid
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Posted - 2005.06.27 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Riddari
7) SE tries to ridicule topic and lots of people jump in and say 0.0 isn't pirating, thereby completely ignoring the low security events that have occured and furthermore just made a very half-arsed attempt at saying piracy doesn't exist.
I'm totally unimpressed by the new ruling class of SE and wait to see what more Blue Standing alliances to Stain will be set to red without prior warning or reasoning.
SE, the new U-Turn!
The word pirate has been thrown around so much that its lost all meaning in 0.0. How can you say someone is pirating in 0.0 when everyone is shooting ateveryone else already. Its not that piracy doesnt exist... its just that you cant label combat in 0.0 piracy anymore... in empire yes, but in 0.0 everyone knows what goes on.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.06.27 13:41:00 -
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oh noes! piwats!
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Speranza
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Posted - 2005.06.27 14:06:00 -
[62]
There is an explanation for all this.
The Amarr Empire are at war with the Blood Raider Covenant.
The Blood Raiders are the local NPC faction in Querious. FIX shoots Blood Raiders when there's nobody else around.
Coalition doesn't like FIX.
The Amarr Empire are therefore anti-Blood Raider, pro FIX and anti Coalition.
So it was a divine intervention of the Amarr God which caused a fight between the evil Priory and the noble Aegis Militia. And it was this divine intervention which saved the Aegis pilot for a higher purpose, and let him get away with his cargo of slaves and Ishukone transcranial microcontrollers.
Conclusion - Stain aren't pirates, they're just ebil Minnie lovin' terrorist criminal types.

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Tarm
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Posted - 2005.06.27 14:08:00 -
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Edited by: Tarm on 27/06/2005 14:10:13
Originally by: Raid
The word pirate has been thrown around so much that its lost all meaning in 0.0. How can you say someone is pirating in 0.0 when everyone is shooting ateveryone else already. Its not that piracy doesnt exist... its just that you cant label combat in 0.0 piracy anymore... in empire yes, but in 0.0 everyone knows what goes on.
The Priory, for one, have "pirated" in lower sec, namely Domain. That is why the CVA has attacked them before; for piracy in Imperial space. Recently the corporation named The Short Bus Squad tried to pirate in lower Domain while using Stain as a threat. They were summarily excommunicated from the alliance. What can be said of these others that assume they have positions of power within the Stain Empire?
The CVA has always been friends with Stain and enemies of the pirates of Empire space. Make your own conclusions as to why, suddenly, SE sets CVA to -10. I respectfully request that everyone now involved in the Stain Empire re-evaluate their leadership, as something has drastically changed recently.
Edit: ...and the post above mine is quite a stretch. 
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Nez Perces
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Posted - 2005.06.27 14:20:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 27/06/2005 14:22:06
Originally by: speranza
The Amarr Empire are at war with the Blood Raider Covenant.
The Blood Raiders are the local NPC faction in Querious. FIX shoots Blood Raiders when there's nobody else around.
The Amarr Empire are therefore anti-Blood Raider, pro FIX ....
Although these are the words of an alt and normally devoid of any substance, I cannot but wholeheartedly support the comments above, indeed The Amarr Emperor has always been close to the hearts of Amarrians within FIX.
....The emperor is actually my second cousin twice removed (illegitemate perhaps... but thats not important ) and I am often invited round for tea and biscuits and yes even PIE \o/ yay for me !!!!
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.06.27 14:42:00 -
[65]
Originally by: shivan
Originally by: Ka'lorn Font'a
Quote: Stain is in FULL control of its members. The HC have good working relations with the CEO's of member corps are we are always taking advise on what corps want from the alliance. If this wernt the case then why have an alliance?
If Stain are in full control of their members, then why have I received reports of them opening fire on an Aegis Militia Megathron in Kheram this morning?
The Priory member would be Oodlebang Slipstop, in a Sniping Megathron. Aegis Militia have no business with Stain, other than being an old enemy of The Priory, yet he was still attacked unprovoked?
CVA are KOS
That is all
Aegis Militia are not CVA.
CVA are not Aegis Militia.
But if the CVA are indeed KOS, an explanation would be nice.
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Raid
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Posted - 2005.06.27 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake But if the CVA are indeed KOS, an explanation would be nice, as I'm curious as to how we've apparently upset SE.
Because you refused to share your PIE...
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Zandramus
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Posted - 2005.06.27 15:23:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Tarm Edited by: Tarm on 27/06/2005 14:10:13
Originally by: Raid
The word pirate has been thrown around so much that its lost all meaning in 0.0. How can you say someone is pirating in 0.0 when everyone is shooting ateveryone else already. Its not that piracy doesnt exist... its just that you cant label combat in 0.0 piracy anymore... in empire yes, but in 0.0 everyone knows what goes on.
The Priory, for one, have "pirated" in lower sec, namely Domain. That is why the CVA has attacked them before; for piracy in Imperial space. Recently the corporation named The Short Bus Squad tried to pirate in lower Domain while using Stain as a threat. They were summarily excommunicated from the alliance. What can be said of these others that assume they have positions of power within the Stain Empire?
The CVA has always been friends with Stain and enemies of the pirates of Empire space. Make your own conclusions as to why, suddenly, SE sets CVA to -10. I respectfully request that everyone now involved in the Stain Empire re-evaluate their leadership, as something has drastically changed recently.
Edit: ...and the post above mine is quite a stretch. 
Pah
Who cares what the CVA think , they didnt even have the balls to wardec a couple of corp thieves. I personally could care less whom you label a Pirate and Whom you dont.
And I ertainly would hope that anyone with some decision making ability in Stain would see what kind of a Non entity that the CVA are as well. Go back to make believe land where you belong and let the real fighting to real players.
Zandramus Homeless And Clueless S.A.S
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.06.27 15:35:00 -
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I am requesting all PIE and CVA members refrain from posting in this thread. The general membership of SE needs to evaluate what has happend to their once upstanding alliance and how it has come to a point where pirates are allowed to join and change the entire character of the allaince. The SE membership has a decision to make which path they will follow. It's their choice.
Archbishop
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2005.06.27 15:45:00 -
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Edited by: Admiral IceBlock on 27/06/2005 15:45:06 <flame in here>
cva got nothing to fear tbh, its not like their facing "the empire".
"We brake for nobody"
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Parallax Error
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Posted - 2005.06.27 16:55:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Zandramus
Originally by: Tarm Edited by: Tarm on 27/06/2005 14:10:13
Originally by: Raid
The word pirate has been thrown around so much that its lost all meaning in 0.0. How can you say someone is pirating in 0.0 when everyone is shooting ateveryone else already. Its not that piracy doesnt exist... its just that you cant label combat in 0.0 piracy anymore... in empire yes, but in 0.0 everyone knows what goes on.
The Priory, for one, have "pirated" in lower sec, namely Domain. That is why the CVA has attacked them before; for piracy in Imperial space. Recently the corporation named The Short Bus Squad tried to pirate in lower Domain while using Stain as a threat. They were summarily excommunicated from the alliance. What can be said of these others that assume they have positions of power within the Stain Empire?
The CVA has always been friends with Stain and enemies of the pirates of Empire space. Make your own conclusions as to why, suddenly, SE sets CVA to -10. I respectfully request that everyone now involved in the Stain Empire re-evaluate their leadership, as something has drastically changed recently.
Edit: ...and the post above mine is quite a stretch. 
Pah
Who cares what the CVA think , they didnt even have the balls to wardec a couple of corp thieves. I personally could care less whom you label a Pirate and Whom you dont.
And I ertainly would hope that anyone with some decision making ability in Stain would see what kind of a Non entity that the CVA are as well. Go back to make believe land where you belong and let the real fighting to real players.
And what exactly do a couple of corp theives have to do with the CVA? It was Aegis Militia who were the subject of the corp theft NOT THE CVA.
Honestly, if your going to make a comment in the thread atleast turn up with something of a clue first.
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Berneh
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Posted - 2005.06.27 17:35:00 -
[71]
if cva are kos then they are kos, fair play to everyone involved. Bern
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Valdi
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Posted - 2005.06.27 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Speranza There is an explanation for all this.
The Amarr Empire are at war with the Blood Raider Covenant.
The Blood Raiders are the local NPC faction in Querious. FIX shoots Blood Raiders when there's nobody else around.
Coalition doesn't like FIX.
The Amarr Empire are therefore anti-Blood Raider, pro FIX and anti Coalition.
So it was a divine intervention of the Amarr God which caused a fight between the evil Priory and the noble Aegis Militia. And it was this divine intervention which saved the Aegis pilot for a higher purpose, and let him get away with his cargo of slaves and Ishukone transcranial microcontrollers.
Conclusion - Stain aren't pirates, they're just ebil Minnie lovin' terrorist criminal types.

Amarr Empire likes the Coalation.. i mean.. Ministry off amarr secret service is in that coalation.. :) --- We just came to crush...
Director of Recruitment
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thebold
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Posted - 2005.06.28 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 27/06/2005 14:22:06 ....The emperor is actually my second cousin twice removed (illegitemate perhaps... but thats not important ) and I am often invited round for tea and biscuits and yes even PIE \o/ yay for me !!!!
Odd Nez, I thought your cousin was Grikl from MASS, there is alikeness, and your distant cousin is Corak from Devils Brigade:p
MASS wuv Pie BTW - Caya Owns Me Modulated Lazers! ==============================================
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Golan Trevize
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Posted - 2005.06.28 08:59:00 -
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Seems like someone couldent take the heat, and now tries to make Stain fight their fight.
Fact is CVA has been friendly to Stain for years.
CVA has worked to keep the corridor free of pirates ,so ALL neutrals could pass(Including Stain).
The Priory , LEGION , Shortbus squad are all confirmed gate pirates both in CVA sovereign space and in the Amarr empire, the evidence is numerous and right under your eyes.
I see this as nothing more than a weak attempt by these corperations to restore their glory days of the Sould cartel , before the CVA came and brought law and order.
I urge Stain leadership to take a deep breath and evaluate who is your friends here ??, piratical factions who i have no doubt will turn on you as soon as their objectives are achieved( and indeed has before LEGION anyone ) or the CVA whom has no quarrel with you and has always been your friends.
Golan Trevize Admiral-RETIRED
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Taz Devlin
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Posted - 2005.06.28 09:44:00 -
[75]
Prior to The Short Bus gang joining the Stain Alliance they were what you call pirates. MASS recruited them into the Stain Alliance and during theyr stay did not set a foot wrong.
So claiming that SA/SE are or were pirates because TSBS joined theyr ranks is not only unrespectfull, it's also uneducated as well as uncalled for.
Allthough I'm not known for my admiration of the A**rr Empire or theyr fanatics they do have my respect, and I doubt SE are going to wage war on PIE & co anytime soon.
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Fastbikkel
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Posted - 2005.06.28 09:50:00 -
[76]
Originally by: benwallace killing neutrals in 0.0 is not pirating
Yes it is.
piÀrate One who preys on others; a plunderer
piÀratÀed, piÀratÀing, piÀrates To attack and rob (a ship at sea). To take (something) by piracy. To make use of or reproduce (another's work) without authorization.
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Josiah Bleak
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Posted - 2005.06.28 09:51:00 -
[77]
So the SE guys camping Misaba last night were window shopping for Amarrian Jewellery I guess?
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Northius
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Posted - 2005.06.28 09:59:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Golan Trevize Seems like someone couldent take the heat, and now tries to make Stain fight their fight.
Fact is CVA has been friendly to Stain for years.
CVA has worked to keep the corridor free of pirates ,so ALL neutrals could pass(Including Stain).
The Priory , LEGION , Shortbus squad are all confirmed gate pirates both in CVA sovereign space and in the Amarr empire, the evidence is numerous and right under your eyes.
I see this as nothing more than a weak attempt by these corperations to restore their glory days of the Sould cartel , before the CVA came and brought law and order.
I urge Stain leadership to take a deep breath and evaluate who is your friends here ??, piratical factions who i have no doubt will turn on you as soon as their objectives are achieved( and indeed has before LEGION anyone ) or the CVA whom has no quarrel with you and has always been your friends.
Golan Trevize Admiral-RETIRED
Yeah thats right Golan, were going to leave our friends in Stain who provide us with ample pvp and excellent resources to go ''restore glory days'' in crappy Providence that has no conq. stations and little resources.... I can assure you the people who matter in Stain are very happy with the situation, and so are we.
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DarkMatters
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Posted - 2005.06.28 10:10:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Northius
Originally by: Golan Trevize Seems like someone couldent take the heat, and now tries to make Stain fight their fight.
Fact is CVA has been friendly to Stain for years.
CVA has worked to keep the corridor free of pirates ,so ALL neutrals could pass(Including Stain).
The Priory , LEGION , Shortbus squad are all confirmed gate pirates both in CVA sovereign space and in the Amarr empire, the evidence is numerous and right under your eyes.
I see this as nothing more than a weak attempt by these corperations to restore their glory days of the Sould cartel , before the CVA came and brought law and order.
I urge Stain leadership to take a deep breath and evaluate who is your friends here ??, piratical factions who i have no doubt will turn on you as soon as their objectives are achieved( and indeed has before LEGION anyone ) or the CVA whom has no quarrel with you and has always been your friends.
Golan Trevize Admiral-RETIRED
Yeah thats right Golan, were going to leave our friends in Stain who provide us with ample pvp and excellent resources to go ''restore glory days'' in crappy Providence that has no conq. stations and little resources.... I can assure you the people who matter in Stain are very happy with the situation, and so are we.
And yetàyou were their last night shooting neutrals in low secà
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Northius
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Posted - 2005.06.28 10:24:00 -
[80]
Originally by: DarkMatters
Originally by: Northius
Originally by: Golan Trevize Seems like someone couldent take the heat, and now tries to make Stain fight their fight.
Fact is CVA has been friendly to Stain for years.
CVA has worked to keep the corridor free of pirates ,so ALL neutrals could pass(Including Stain).
The Priory , LEGION , Shortbus squad are all confirmed gate pirates both in CVA sovereign space and in the Amarr empire, the evidence is numerous and right under your eyes.
I see this as nothing more than a weak attempt by these corperations to restore their glory days of the Sould cartel , before the CVA came and brought law and order.
I urge Stain leadership to take a deep breath and evaluate who is your friends here ??, piratical factions who i have no doubt will turn on you as soon as their objectives are achieved( and indeed has before LEGION anyone ) or the CVA whom has no quarrel with you and has always been your friends.
Golan Trevize Admiral-RETIRED
Yeah thats right Golan, were going to leave our friends in Stain who provide us with ample pvp and excellent resources to go ''restore glory days'' in crappy Providence that has no conq. stations and little resources.... I can assure you the people who matter in Stain are very happy with the situation, and so are we.
And yetàyou were their last night shooting neutrals in low secà
We moved into Stain space last night from Misaba, you guys should work for ITN lunchtime news.....
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benwallace
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Posted - 2005.06.28 12:54:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Fastbikkel
Originally by: benwallace killing neutrals in 0.0 is not pirating
Yes it is.
piÀrate One who preys on others; a plunderer
piÀratÀed, piÀratÀing, piÀrates To attack and rob (a ship at sea). To take (something) by piracy. To make use of or reproduce (another's work) without authorization.
wait To attack and rob (a ship at *****"""sea"""****).
now where does it say 0.0 space and where does it say kill
To make use of or reproduce (another's work) without authorization. wtf does this have to do with anything
and are you gonan let n00b shuttles and ships fly around spying because its pirating? --------------------------
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Hast
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Posted - 2005.06.28 13:07:00 -
[82]
I prefer the term Griefer tbh
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Waywatcher
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Posted - 2005.06.28 13:10:00 -
[83]
Ok, i feel its about time to post aqn offical statement from The Priory. Our corp has absolutly no interest in the providence region and has absolutly no ties with Legion anymore, we have simply joined the Stain Empire. Our corp as i am lead to understand is -10 and always will be to CVA. We have absolutly no problem with that but will not sit there and be shot without retaliation which im sure u can all relate too. How CVA can claim that Stain are all of a sudden pirates for helping defend their members is beyond me. I think the point is that all actions have consequences. |

Isis Marik
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Posted - 2005.06.28 13:14:00 -
[84]
everyones a freakin pirate.
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.06.28 13:22:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Waywatcher Ok, i feel its about time to post aqn offical statement from The Priory. Our corp has absolutly no interest in the providence region and has absolutly no ties with Legion anymore, we have simply joined the Stain Empire. Our corp as i am lead to understand is -10 and always will be to CVA. We have absolutly no problem with that but will not sit there and be shot without retaliation which im sure u can all relate too. How CVA can claim that Stain are all of a sudden pirates for helping defend their members is beyond me. I think the point is that all actions have consequences.
So if the CVA were to reset your standings based on the fact that you're no longer in Providence, no longer pirating, and now a part of Stain, what would Priory do?
Curiosity...
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.06.28 13:27:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Hast I prefer the term Griefer tbh
\o/ my sig i stole from enslaver
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Northius
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Posted - 2005.06.28 13:28:00 -
[87]
Laugh
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Gorhawk
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Posted - 2005.06.28 13:46:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Gorhawk on 28/06/2005 13:47:50
Originally by: mahhy
Originally by: Waywatcher Ok, i feel its about time to post aqn offical statement from The Priory. Our corp has absolutly no interest in the providence region and has absolutly no ties with Legion anymore, we have simply joined the Stain Empire. Our corp as i am lead to understand is -10 and always will be to CVA. We have absolutly no problem with that but will not sit there and be shot without retaliation which im sure u can all relate too. How CVA can claim that Stain are all of a sudden pirates for helping defend their members is beyond me. I think the point is that all actions have consequences.
So if the CVA were to reset your standings based on the fact that you're no longer in Providence, no longer pirating, and now a part of Stain, what would Priory do?
Curiosity...
This is a good question and one that I, and doubtless many others in providence, am keen to hear answered.
Best,
Josiah Bleak (Huzzah)
EDIT: (Bah hate mistakenly posting with an alt)
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DarkMatters
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Posted - 2005.06.28 14:55:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Waywatcher Ok, i feel its about time to post aqn offical statement from The Priory. Our corp has absolutly no interest in the providence region and has absolutly no ties with Legion anymore, we have simply joined the Stain Empire. Our corp as i am lead to understand is -10 and always will be to CVA. We have absolutly no problem with that but will not sit there and be shot without retaliation which im sure u can all relate too. How CVA can claim that Stain are all of a sudden pirates for helping defend their members is beyond me. I think the point is that all actions have consequences.
If you joined stain, left province and committed no more acts of piracy we would be happy, unforantly itÆs a case of join stain, continue shooting neutrals in low sec (and I donÆt mean alts in NCP corps by ôneutralö and I donÆt mean AM and CVA) and continue camping gates.
Also our standing went from +10 to û10 and KOS over night with no diplomacy and no negative incident between us the moment you joined. This is after over a year of good relations and access to Stain space, If you are making the break from pirating and the area why start hostilities with your old enemies? Why because we are pirate hunters (does the rest of stain agree with this)? Or are you getting into RP?
I will try to grab someone with some authority to answer the question on standings wouldnÆt be surprised if it was a yes (my own view) as we have done the same with other pirate corps once they have started on the straight and narrow
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.06.28 15:27:00 -
[90]
I would suggest that rather than getting into a lengthy discussion here involving standings and policies, someone who can make decisions on behalf of Stain contacts someone who can make decisions on behalf of the CVA to have a civilised discussion and see what can be sorted out.
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Northius
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Posted - 2005.06.28 15:37:00 -
[91]
I can assure you the -10 will remain.
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Grizwold
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Posted - 2005.06.28 15:45:00 -
[92]
So The Priory speaks for all of Stain?
Used to be the Alliance decided who the Alliance had as enemies..not a single "new" corp....
Things sure have changed for the "white hat" alliance....
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MrIc3
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Posted - 2005.06.28 15:56:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Rodj Blake I would suggest that rather than getting into a lengthy discussion here involving standings and policies, someone who can make decisions on behalf of Stain contacts someone who can make decisions on behalf of the CVA to have a civilised discussion and see what can be sorted out.
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Christopher Multsanti
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Posted - 2005.06.28 16:33:00 -
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I have to say I am loving the way the new Stain do things.
Best description of an alliance ever: Weeman> Its a new SE entirely, no council, no bull, plenty of nads.
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Tarm
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Posted - 2005.06.28 16:33:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Grizwold So The Priory speaks for all of Stain?
Used to be the Alliance decided who the Alliance had as enemies..not a single "new" corp....
Things sure have changed for the "white hat" alliance....
Indeed, Grizwold. It seems as though Stain has truly died if game-long friends are set to -10 so quickly by new members in 'power'.
MrIc3, it is sad that you have fallen so far.
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Khaerie
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Posted - 2005.06.28 16:57:00 -
[96]
Edited by: Khaerie on 28/06/2005 16:59:56 Double posted
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Khaerie
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Posted - 2005.06.28 17:00:00 -
[97]
The only people that can give official Stain Standing releases are from High Command. Please refrain from posting announcements for Stain if you are not among them.
Having said that, I'm still at work so I don't know if the settings have been changed.
Editted
To those in CVA, I'd recommend you listen to your OWN leaders and quit posting on this thread as well. I'm sure everyone can see that this back and forth stuff isn't improving the relationship one bit.
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Berneh
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Posted - 2005.06.28 19:56:00 -
[98]
tbh i couldnt give a monkeys, i joined stain before the priory and i also left legion. nothing to do with legion or its ways, but i wanted to try something differant, i'm happy in stain and i cn personally vouch that legi0n and priory have no naps. cva feel yourselves lucky that priory are moving from providence, you should be thanking stain !. anyways thats my thought's , i'm off to the pub, everyone have fun and send me isk then everyones happeh :D
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Laurelin1420
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Posted - 2005.06.28 20:15:00 -
[99]
A flame war cometh...
*CLICK*
And so was ended :)
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