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ZaKma
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Posted - 2005.06.26 20:49:00 -
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when i right click in space it seems to freeze for a second or two, it got worse since i got a few thousand bookmarks, is this the reason?
is there a way to reduce this lag without loosing the instas?
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.06.26 22:02:00 -
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Apparently yes it's the reason, no, there is no way to reduce it.
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ZaKma
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Posted - 2005.06.26 22:11:00 -
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argh enemys>right click>PAUSE 3SECONDS WHILE YOU COULD WARP BUT BLOW UP>warp to safespot
i arrive at safe spot in pod, im srue you can imagine the frustration
o well just another laggy asspect of eve 
and as i said before poor people like me need a high fps gui!!!
but nvm
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Crusher166
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Posted - 2005.06.26 22:15:00 -
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yeh it's really annoying... so is killmail lag 
dont know why its so bad, compared to before. Could it be cos more ppl have more bookmarks?
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Capsicum
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Posted - 2005.06.26 22:53:00 -
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There can't be many systems where you can have twelve thousand simultaneous players, and a query that pulls back highly specific results from a table that must have millions of rows, where you don't get a second of lag or less 
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Elvis Costello
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Posted - 2005.06.26 22:57:00 -
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On a different note Zakma, expect that corp name to get changed.. they did it to "Israeli Defense Force" so they'll probably do the same with you. 
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Reptar
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Posted - 2005.06.26 23:09:00 -
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Yeah I just updated my collection with 5,000 more over the last few days and before I didnt notice any lag but now I am feeling the 1-2 Second lag  I am now a bookmark *****
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2005.06.27 00:32:00 -
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 Originally by: ZaKma
when i right click in space it seems to freeze for a second or two, it got worse since i got a few thousand bookmarks, is this the reason?
is there a way to reduce this lag without loosing the instas?
I dont blaim the bookmarks, i blaim EVE server. They cant load your bookmarks fast enough.
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Scrofalitic One
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Posted - 2005.06.27 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Elvis Costello
On a different note Zakma, expect that corp name to get changed.. they did it to "Israeli Defense Force" so they'll probably do the same with you.
SPLITTERS!
lol
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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.06.27 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: ZaKma
when i right click in space it seems to freeze for a second or two, it got worse since i got a few thousand bookmarks, is this the reason?
is there a way to reduce this lag without loosing the instas?
Try sorting oyur bookmarks by region into folders. Might help.
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Pistonbroke
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Posted - 2005.06.27 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Elvis Costello
On a different note Zakma, expect that corp name to get changed.. they did it to "Israeli Defense Force" so they'll probably do the same with you.
Get over it, its a Monty Python reference.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.06.27 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Scrofalitic One
Originally by: Elvis Costello
On a different note Zakma, expect that corp name to get changed.. they did it to "Israeli Defense Force" so they'll probably do the same with you.
SPLITTERS!
lol
Class.
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Regma
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Posted - 2005.06.27 12:11:00 -
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If you know you're not going to be using a set of bookmarks for a long while, which, with several thousand, I'm sure you wont be, just put them in a can and grab them when needed.
Not ideal, I know, but it's got to be better than getting podded due to lag.
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.06.27 12:17:00 -
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sort ya BMs into folders. Takes a while but it does iliminate the right click lag. As for inbox lag when u get a killmail, clear all ur olds one out. This gets rid of it
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ZaKma
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Posted - 2005.06.27 15:30:00 -
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Edited by: ZaKma on 27/06/2005 15:31:51
well they are in folders (600 bm's in per folder however) ive deleted tonnes of bm's to reduce it but its not lag by gme just freezes for a few seconds, im sure its cos of the bm's
as for the corp name, i didnt make the corp, its been here strong and well for over a year and not been cahnged, please dont hijack my threads 
*edit* why are they requested from the server each time? i dont see why i cant just get them if my client dosent have the cache and that be that
also im sure there some tweaking that could speed it up, took 2hours to take 5k bookamrks from hanger to people and places, that wasnt so fun 
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Burnhard Brutor
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Posted - 2005.06.27 16:34:00 -
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imho, lag could be caused by the way bms work - in terms of the processing required for things like attaching them to context menus and flagging them as "in system" (by colour). Although it doesn't seem like much (a quick table scan), if it's handled on the server I can imagine it adding considerable strain - it's generally unneccessary as well as all bookmark processing/storage can be done on the client (but, alas, anything on the client is open to exploitation/hacking).
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.06.27 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Capsicum
There can't be many systems where you can have twelve thousand simultaneous players, and a query that pulls back highly specific results from a table that must have millions of rows, where you don't get a second of lag or less
Who's the fracking idjit who created the indexes on those tables? :)
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Burnhard Brutor
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Posted - 2005.06.27 16:55:00 -
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I think it's more than likely the client handling of bookmarks that generates the lag. Also, I'm gobsmacked that people have thousands of BM's in their people & places. It doesn't help things. A client limit on the number (say, 200 or so) would be an great improvement.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.06.27 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Burnhard Brutor
I think it's more than likely the client handling of bookmarks that generates the lag. Also, I'm gobsmacked that people have thousands of BM's in their people & places. It doesn't help things. A client limit on the number (say, 200 or so) would be an great improvement.
Why should the client pause until all of them are loaded, anyway? It boggles my mind why bookmarks are loaded into the right click menu anyway.
Why not have a bookmarks window that displays them independently from the rest of the interface elements? Like a miniwindow (not the people & places window), or a sectioned portion of the overview thingamajig. As they're loading they display, but they don't lag the hell out of the client if you have a ton of them.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2005.06.27 17:18:00 -
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Have them load only when you are in the solarsystem. Why would you load the whole freaking galaxy when you can only do the bookmarks in a solarsystem!
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.06.27 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Burnhard Brutor
I think it's more than likely the client handling of bookmarks that generates the lag. Also, I'm gobsmacked that people have thousands of BM's in their people & places. It doesn't help things. A client limit on the number (say, 200 or so) would be an great improvement.
And also make them pretty useless. Ignoring instas, 200 BM's is about half my safespots. And any decent BMer has at least one safespot and one sniping point per gate and station in a system.
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Aalekzander Sevvari
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Posted - 2005.06.27 17:54:00 -
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Why won't they allow us to keep the bookmarks local? Easier to transfer bookmarks between friends and corp mates, less stress on the server since it's pulled from our own computer and not the server, and less menu lag since it isn't internet transfer but instead a local transfer.
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Burnhard Brutor
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Posted - 2005.06.27 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: theRaptor
Originally by: Burnhard Brutor
I think it's more than likely the client handling of bookmarks that generates the lag. Also, I'm gobsmacked that people have thousands of BM's in their people & places. It doesn't help things. A client limit on the number (say, 200 or so) would be an great improvement.
And also make them pretty useless. Ignoring instas, 200 BM's is about half my safespots. And any decent BMer has at least one safespot and one sniping point per gate and station in a system.
Yes, but do you really need to carry them ALL around at once? I realise forward planning can be problematic, but if you have the slight inconvienience of having to move sets of BM's in and out of your P&P, it might remove the vast inconvienience to others of lag and associated problems.
Of course, we are debating the utility of BMs as they are currently implemented - on a technical level, I'm sure some Tefal-head at CCP is working out a cunning plan to change how they work. Personally, I say stick them all on the client, encrypted 200,000,000 times and let the CPU do all the work.
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Aalekzander Sevvari
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Posted - 2005.06.27 18:44:00 -
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Yes, but do you really need to carry them ALL around at once? I realise forward planning can be problematic, but if you have the slight inconvienience of having to move sets of BM's in and out of your P&P, it might remove the vast inconvienience to others of lag and associated problems.
Have you ever been in a corp/alliance war? Traveling from one side of EVE to the other side can be common, especially unexpected routes and pathways due to them being gatecamped.
Only carrying what you "think" you need will leave you with a blown up ship and an insurance payoff. Expect the unexpected. Bring the bookmarks locally, don't make dumb aspects of them to lag CPU's for rofls(encryption joke, seriously now..), and the majority of bookmark lag is GONE.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.06.27 18:46:00 -
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You have a choice when carrying many bookmarks (I have 2/3 of empire space BMed, for instance) and that is "do I want to make bookmarks fast, or do I want the right-click to be faster?"
When right-clicking, and you have most of your BMs (5k+) in folders like I did a few months ago, estimate that 3/4 of the load time you experience comes from folders. Having moved everything out, I experienced a MAYOR decrease in right-click time. I think the search and sort algorithm used for bookmarks is optimized for a non-insta-jump envirnoment and either needs to be updated or the insta-jumps need to be made redundant.
My personal theory is that regardless of system or region, ALL bookmarks are searched. This theory comes from the fact that whether I an in Ardalabier (3-4 bookmarks in system, less than 100 in region, low trafick region) or Niyabainen (20+ in system, 4000+ in region, and the laggiest system in game) it takes near enough the same time to load the right-click menu (except on days when normal play in Niya is unbearable, when the server time is the most significant factor in EVERY task)
Originally by: Aalekzander Sevvari
Why won't they allow us to keep the bookmarks local? Easier to transfer bookmarks between friends and corp mates, less stress on the server since it's pulled from our own computer and not the server, and less menu lag since it isn't internet transfer but instead a local transfer.
Because you can create custom out of system bookmarks then
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Hikaru Okuda
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Posted - 2005.06.27 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: Hikaru Okuda on 27/06/2005 19:08:36
Originally by: Ithildin
Because you can create custom out of system bookmarks then
There's another option... Store a list of bookmarks locally that are just the names of the bookmarks with some index info (restricted to the account that created it) and maybe the info of the system it is in (so it can show up in right-click menu, etc.) But have the actual location still on the server only. That way the database doesn't have to be queried until you actually try to use the bookmark.
Just a thought because I used a similar solution to a database problem not too long ago... Caching some info locally that would not hurt anything if someone actually "hacked" or otherwise read it because it did not tell them anything they didn't already know--the important info was still locked up in the db.
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ZaKma
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Posted - 2005.06.27 19:36:00 -
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could a mod call a dev to helps us out im sure some of these ideas may help out if they havent thougth of them already 
please make eve that tiny bit mroe playable
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