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However, i do admit adding orbits in would be awesome. Which also means, with certain orbits, that your dscan results would change based on your date in your 'year'. Think about it. You're on the outer planet, and the next planet in is over the other side of the system. On its orbit, it comes withing 14AU of yours, you can see it on dscan for a part of that year. How cool would that be!?

having a big party when all planets and stargates in a nullsec system align

It is impossible to get a location using only the sun. You need something like 4 "fixed" points in space to plot a location, and again, that location is always relative to the bodies use to get it.

To expand on that, what would be the gain?

I would personally like to see astral bodies have rotation. Not orbit though.

I wouldn't mind being able to sit ouside a station and actually see the planet rotate ever so slightly. Then if you warp to the planet that rotation wouldn't be visible as you would then use a point on the planet itself to afix yourself in space, at which point you'd technically be rotating with the planet.

It does't have to be an actual rotation though. They already have cloud paterns and such that can be seen moving on the surface. The land, however, is always the same when I look a the planet.

This would probably be more work than it's worth, but would be "cool" to see.

I also wouldn't mind if moons had an orbit around planets.
Where can you sit at one planet and see another though? The only time I ever see a planet is when I'm at a station in orbit around it, and you woudln't be able to percieve it moving because you would technically be moving right along with it.

Insta undocks would probably need to be handled differently, although those may still be okay in relation to the stations they were made for depending on how the grid works.

The easy way to do this (relatively speaking) would be to update the planet and moon positions at downtime, which might be the most workable way to implement this.

I would personally like to see astral bodies have rotation. Not orbit though.

I wouldn't mind being able to sit ouside a station and actually see the planet rotate ever so slightly. Then if you warp to the planet that rotation wouldn't be visible as you would then use a point on the planet itself to afix yourself in space, at which point you'd technically be rotating with the planet.

It does't have to be an actual rotation though. They already have cloud paterns and such that can be seen moving on the surface. The land, however, is always the same when I look a the planet.

This would probably be more work than it's worth, but would be "cool" to see.

I also wouldn't mind if moons had an orbit around planets.
Where can you sit at one planet and see another though? The only time I ever see a planet is when I'm at a station in orbit around it, and you woudln't be able to percieve it moving because you would technically be moving right along with it.

Gain?

Why did you make new turrets? Why do missiles now launch from launchers instead of the middle of the ship?
Why do drones have models when few people ever zoom in on them?
Why did you make new nebula backgrounds? Why do we have 4 different Captain's Quarters? Why did you redo the character creator? Why V3 (or V-anything) the ships? Why does Eve have music? Why do POS shields have that weird pulse effect? Why is there a glorified acid-trip when our ships are in warp? Why did you add a brand new effect for jump drives?

The "gain" would be "it looks cool" or "adds realism/emersion."

And honestly is it really that hard to have everything operate in an rotational reference frame relative to the nearest celestial body? How hard is it to have all structures, ships, bookmarks, drones, wrecks, hell just the entire GRID, orbit around a moon/planet/star? All bookmarks/anchor points out to a certain distance from a moon/planet could be written as a function of radial distance, and angle in two dimensions, and then when someone warps to it a grid is created at the appropriate location based on the current position of that rotational reference frame. Or something. I used to know this stuff but it's amazing how much math one can forget.

After all, Eve isn't about "Why?", it's about "Why not?" :)

When the new nebula backgrounds were added, you also added the nearby stars in the sky and pointed the stargates at them. Those last two additions gained us nothing in terms of game play, yet you did them anyway. The reason you did them is it looks cool and it adds to immersion; it helps us feel like we really are in three dimensional space.

Imagine sitting at your POS watching the moon slowly move and change phase as you orbit, and other moons transiting across the planet as they orbit, or Jita 4-4 going into and out of eclipse at it orbits.

If we get a POS revamp, corp and alliances will start placing small stations all over the place. If these provide system upgrades (replacing the current mechanic) they become targets for small gangs. Fighting spreads all over the solar system rather than being confined to gates and major stations. The planets and moons are the landscape for these conflicts, and having that landscape change may provide some interesting twists to the combat. There could even be more: projectors that transmit detrimental effects from one solar system to another that work best when the planets are in certain positions.

I actually thought about how orbiting items could be implemented. What I came up with is there would be a region around any object, planet, moon or station, that is dragged around with it. If you are in that region your speed is zero when you are not moving with respect to the object. Bookmarks would also get dragged around with that local coordinate system.

Up until DUST was released to Tranquility, all planets did rotate.

Space is 3-dimensional, so you would need 3 coordinates relative to some specific reference point. Using the star and a Cartesian coordinate system, any given point in a system would given by a specific distance from the star in a direction X, another distance from the star in a direction Y orthogonal (perpendicular) to X, and another distance from the star in a direction Z orthogonal to both X and Y.

There are other coordinate systems one could use, cylindrical being the most intuitive with the way EVE is set up, but they all only require a single reference point.

Hooray geometry!

Because it would create an awful lot of hassle for little to no gain.

The gain would be that if you set a bookmark anywhere in a system based off the star as a fixed point you can come back to that bookmark say 6 months down the road and it now becomes a good safe point that is so many AU's away from any highly traveled route. This of course wont work if the post above you is put in place as it will be a defined point on a grid.


I guess what I was trying to say is that it would be nice to bookmark safe spots outside of warp paths between celestials or gates or whatever.

There is an actual problem with this suggestion though. Planets move at something like 30km/sec. EVE ships have this ridiculous speed limit that stops them doing much over 8km/sec. Unless the ship physics is also made realistic you would never be able to catch a planet to do an orbital bombardment.

It has nothing to do with a grid and everything to do with coordinates. In order to move an insta along with the station you'd have to designate the BM as "in relation to" the station (and "in orientation to") and then run calculations to move both. The math certainly wouldn't be that intensive, but the additional information you'd have to keep track of might slow things down.


This is the best way to do it, IMO. The gain would be a bigger sense of "space", the new BM positions that would open over time, etc...

And we had them rotate because it was cool. Note that they rotated at absurd speeds so you could actually see the rotation in a very short time span. In preparation for the release of DUST we stopped having them rotate since the rotation complicated new game play.

Well actually if "fixed grids" were used you only need do one calculation (in this case for the planet or moon the station was in geosynchronous orbit over. All coordinates on that moving grid would remain the same (for the station and for your undock) unless your undock bookmark was far enough away so as to be off that grid.

Spoken like a true dev alt.

And your opinion regarding animated turrets?

To expand on that, what would be the gain?

Spoken like an actually true tin-foiler. You don't have to be a dev to see the problem.

My opinion on animated turrets is that they have no bearing on the issue.

To expand on that, what would be the gain?