Yes that's because null is broken.

Uhm in regards to how safe it was in the old days then hell yes null is safemode now .....

null is safer than high sec!

War dec in hi-sec should be limited to corp size/sec system

eg. large corp = 0.5 to 0.8 , medium corp = 0.5 to 0.7 small corp 0.5 to 0.6

Empire NPC corps member should have restrictions of movement and are blocked moving into enemy Hi-sec empires. This means offices would have to moved out of Hi-sec space.

NPC corps would be linked the FW in low-sec so that any system that empire controls will allow the Empire NPC corps to attack any member of a enemy npc corp.

This would allow pvp encroachment on new players and hi-sec industrial corps, and at the same time saving safe areas for them to retreat to with the cost of restricting their game play.

I don't usually drink in space, but when I do, I enjoy my drinks on the war deck

Yes, we always need more CONCORD protection so that you can always be protected in some manner by an NPC. Because sometimes, you can't rely on anyone that doesn't make decisions based on coding.

Mining bots don't count.

Yeah high sec war griefers depend on NPCs to look the other way. So if you can buy NPC judgement/motive/activity then why not open it up some more and see what else we can buy?

Fixed.

Solution: Start with a flat wardec fee based on the total SP of all characters in the company giving the wardec.

Next compute the total SP of all characters in the target company.

If the wardec sending company has fewer total SP than the wardec receiver company, then the wardec becomes cheaper. If the wardec sending company has more total SP than the wardec receiver company, then the wardec becomes more expensive. The amount that it changes is directly proportionate to the difference in total SPs of the characters in those companies.

So: Big Giant Leetard company with fifty people in T3s wants to wardec Total Noob corp with five people... yeah, that's going to cost far more than it's worth. Trying to take on a large target (read: guerrilla action) would be very, very cheap (and they'd probably lose, too). The ideal wardec would then be (gasp!) opponents roughly your own equal in terms of SP.

"But wait!" says those even more carebare than myself, "What if all their pilots are only miners and PI and stuff and they don't have any combat pilots at all!" Well that's their own fault for not diversifying at least a little bit. Chances are the other team has more than a couple of non-combat SP in their pile as well.

The War Dec system isn't perfect but I don't see anyway of creating a even playing field in particular given retributions ship changes. I mean today, you can take a 1 month old character and be flying a T2 fitted Merlin which will be able to take down 90% of all frigates and cruisers in the game solo or small groups. I had an experiance this last couple of weeks and despite outnumbering and outgunning our enemy we probobly had a 1 million skill points for every 10k skill points (corp vs. corp) not to mention relatively experianced pilots, they still whooped our asses. Simply put, if you choose your fights well, have good intel, good fits and know what your doing, you will be successful at war. If you don't, no amount of skill points, ISK or players will save you. These same guys just war dec'ed an alliance with over 100 members.. and between 3-4 guys racked up 1 billion worth of Kills using nothing more than 1 month old characters in Merlins while taking almost no loses. They took down strategic cruisers, battleships, varous battlecruisers... looking at the kill reports however you get a clear picture. Awsome Merlin fits with experianced players piloting them vs. crap fits run by players who should know better given their age.

Morale of the story. No change will fix war decs because war decs aren't broken, people's tactics, strategies, fits, ship selection and player skill are the problem and you can't fix that with mechanics. People just have to accept that if your going to run or be part of a corp, you need to learn how to fight wars. No one gets to be "an industrial" corp and sit around praying they don't get war dec'ed because no matter the system that's created in some false attempt to balance the fights, they will still be unbalanced because its not the mechanics but the players that are making the difference here. Anyone who doesn't believe that will always be a victim in Eve. Your skill points and ISK are meaningless without the player skill to use them.

The War Dec system isn't perfect but I don't see anyway of creating a even playing field in particular given retributions ship changes. I mean today, you can take a 1 month old character and be flying a T2 fitted Merlin which will be able to take down 90% of all frigates and cruisers in the game solo or small groups. I had an experiance this last couple of weeks and despite outnumbering and outgunning our enemy we probobly had a 1 million skill points for every 10k skill points (corp vs. corp) not to mention relatively experianced pilots, they still whooped our asses. Simply put, if you choose your fights well, have good intel, good fits and know what your doing, you will be successful at war. If you don't, no amount of skill points, ISK or players will save you. These same guys just war dec'ed an alliance with over 100 members.. and between 3-4 guys racked up 1 billion worth of Kills using nothing more than 1 month old characters in Merlins while taking almost no loses. They took down strategic cruisers, battleships, varous battlecruisers... looking at the kill reports however you get a clear picture. Awsome Merlin fits with experianced players piloting them vs. crap fits run by players who should know better given their age.

Morale of the story. No change will fix war decs because war decs aren't broken, people's tactics, strategies, fits, ship selection and player skill are the problem and you can't fix that with mechanics. People just have to accept that if your going to run or be part of a corp, you need to learn how to fight wars. No one gets to be "an industrial" corp and sit around praying they don't get war dec'ed because no matter the system that's created in some false attempt to balance the fights, they will still be unbalanced because its not the mechanics but the players that are making the difference here. Anyone who doesn't believe that will always be a victim in Eve. Your skill points and ISK are meaningless without the player skill to use them.

The wardec mechanics are fine.

Instead of ******* with them why don't you people start asking for CCP to provide CONTENT, and TOOLS, things to OWN of value in high sec.

Something that can be LOST or WON.


Nothing you do to the wardeck mechanics is going to stop people from droping or disbanding a corp when there's a war.
NOTHING YOU DO TO THE WARDEC MECHANIC WILL MAKE PEOPLE STOP DROPPING OR DISBANDING THE CORP WHEN THEY GET DECCED.


No one complains that null sec wardeccs "dont' work" or are "meeningless". You guys don't have **** to fight for in high sec. You don't have **** to call your own.

YOU HAVE NO REASON TO ALLY IN HIGH SEC. The hell do you need allies for? For what are you protecting? Nothing.
A corp name, that is all.

You guys fight for corporation names.

Wardeccing in high sec is only for the purpose of gaining legal targets to shoot. Because NO ONE has any reason to dec a high sec corporation.

There's nothing to fight over.
It works in null because there's **** to fight over. There's something to win or lose. You have NOTHING in high sec.
Give high sec corps something to fight over and the wardec problem is solved.


Having things to fight over encourages you to grow. There's no reason to have 1000 guys in a hgh sec corp.
Having things to fight over means you have something to lose. You drop corp because you lose NOTHING. You disband corp becaue you lose NOTHING.


It is entirely the lack of ability of a high sec corporations to say, "This is mine, and I will fight to keep it."

If PoS's were worth holding onto, people wouldn't ******* disband corporations that own PoS's, and they are abandoning them.


Not one suggestion in this thead is geared around making wardecs meaningful, they're all geared around reducing PvP. I see a bunch of guys suggesting things that would simply make declaring war either harder, irrelevant, or simply not possible.

Those are not EVE solutions.

EVE solutions involve TOOLS, CONTENT, PLAYER CONTROL.
Not arbitrary limiters and more concord involvement.