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Frying Doom Zat's Affiliated Traders 1638	Posted - 2013.01.19 23:44:00 - [1] - Quote Seleenes attitude is very much why I personally believe ex-CCP employees should not be allowed into the CSM Seleene wrote: JON LANDER I WANT YOU TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT OF SOMETHING!!!!! Also, the CSM minutes will be published in the next 24-48 hours. We've been waiting on this dev blog. Why this praise, I read the minutes and to be honest all it really told me is at the moment they have no idea what they are doing for the next expansion. Also from Seleene in a reddit comment. Seleene wrote: There is no way that Two Step could be under the impression that CCP was 'shelving' POSs. Zero. Communication between CCP and the CSM is at an all time high. Now this being besides the fact that Two step stated in his blog Two Step wrote: It wasn't in the minutes, but I spent a lot of time talking to Unifex about this at night. Needless to say, I disagreed with CCP's decision to not move ahead with work on the POS system. I also disagree that only a small group of people would feel the effects of a new POS system. From wormhole residents to Tech 2 producers to nullsec residents, a lot of people interact with POSes. Also, a redesigned POS system would both attract players that were frustrated to the point of giving up with the old POS system as well as new players who cannot use the current POS system because of limitations with roles. and what about Hans Blog Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: What happened to Modular POSes? What is coming this summer for those of us out in 0.0? What about Industry? But CCP, you PROMISED! All of this and more will be pouring out of the community in the days ahead, just as the CSM warned CCP that you would at our recent summit. And these questions should be raised. Looks to me like 2 members of the CSM very definitely did not know that POSs were going to be worked on in the upcoming expansion. I would also like to point out that so far we have had the usual fluffy from CCP about the POS revamp/fix and no actually clear "Yes" statement. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
Frying Doom Zat's Affiliated Traders 1638	Posted - 2013.01.19 23:44:00 - [2] - Quote As to Communication being at an all time high, I would like to point out Two step wrote: What we were told at the summit was [the feature] was going to be player-to-player [service] contracts, and the next thing we hear, without any input from us, was that it was going to be bounty hunting. Our expectation was going to be that we were going to be consulted about decisions like that -- and we didn't even know there was a decision being made Seleene wrote: We made it very clear [at the first summit] that we needed to be involved early, before things started getting settled. When we found out the feature was being focused on Bounty Hunting, [we were very frustrated]. While the feature turned out well, there was a lot of resentment in CSM. So it comes very much down to the fact that our CSMs chairman seems now to be more of a spokesman for CCP and less of a spokesman for us the players and seems happy to stomp fellow CSM members just to win points with CCP. Does Seleene miss his job and want it back? or is this just some kind of divided loyalty where the CCP side is winning a lot. So In closing I would like to add the following quote from 'What is the CSM" Quote: The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
Eli Green The Arrow Project 427	Posted - 2013.01.19 23:57:00 - [3] - Quote This will end well wumbo
Varius Xeral Galactic Trade Syndicate 357	Posted - 2013.01.20 00:06:00 - [4] - Quote FRYING DOOM: SAD LOSER OR PSYCHOTIC HUMAN CANCER ON THE EVE COMMUNITY?
Frying Doom Zat's Affiliated Traders 1638	Posted - 2013.01.20 00:16:00 - [5] - Quote Actually I will retract that statement as I should not feed the trolls who only want to derail a thread. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
Varius Xeral Galactic Trade Syndicate 357	Posted - 2013.01.20 00:23:00 - [6] - Quote Yes, it is a conspiratorial attempt to silence you, not a suggestion you are likely mentally ill and definitely socially dysfunctional.
Frying Doom Zat's Affiliated Traders 1638	Posted - 2013.01.20 00:25:00 - [7] - Quote Varius Xeral wrote: Yes, it is a conspiratorial attempt to silence you, not a suggestion you are likely mentally ill and definitely socially dysfunctional. So how about rather than pointless insults you show me how I am wrong and that Two Step and Hans were wrong and that Seleene is right? If you are able too. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
Varius Xeral Galactic Trade Syndicate 357	Posted - 2013.01.20 00:32:00 - [8] - Quote How about I take the time to ensure that organizations involved in a hobby of mine are functioning as they should and the people involved are acting reasonably considering the circumstances and context, instead of trying to create drama and intrigue where there is none? You know, like a mentally stable person would?
Frying Doom Zat's Affiliated Traders 1638	Posted - 2013.01.20 00:34:00 - [9] - Quote Varius Xeral wrote: How about I take the time to ensure that organizations involved in a hobby of mine are functioning as they should and the people involved are acting reasonably considering the circumstances and context, instead of trying to create drama and intrigue where there is none? You know, like a mentally stable person would? So in another words all you can do is throw insults as you cannot prove that Two Step, Hans and Myself are wrong and that it is Seleene who is not acting as per the Core values of the CSM. Please keep throwing insults as that is all you have. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread

ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 164	Posted - 2013.01.20 00:37:00 - [10] - Quote If you agree or disagree with the OP it is possible to do so in a polite and constructive way. Thread cleaned from posts breaking one or more of the following rules: 4. Be respectful of others at all times. The purpose of the forum is to provide a platform for the exchange of ideas. Occasionally, there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Be courteous when disagreeing with others. It is possible to disagree without being insulting. 7. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is the word used to describe a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting the players. Posts of this nature are disruptive and do not contribute to the sense of community we want for our forums. 12. Spamming, bumping and pyramid quoting are prohibited. Spam is defined as the repetitive posting of the same topic or text or nonsensical posts that have no substance and are often designed to annoy other forum users. This includes GÇ£firstGÇ¥ and GÇ£go back to another gameGÇ¥ posts. Bumping posts in order to keep them near the top of the list is also prohibited. Petitions or "/signed" posts are a version of bumping and likewise are not permitted. Pyramid quoting is a response to a forum thread that contains the quotes of four or more previous posters, sometimes with additional spaces added unnecessarily. Posts of this nature are not conducive to community spirit and are unwelcome. ISD Ezwal Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Frying Doom Zat's Affiliated Traders 1638	Posted - 2013.01.20 01:45:00 - [11] - Quote My apologies apparently Seleene is not running for re-election so the only point to this thread is now to show that ex-CCP employees should not be on the player council. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
Tesal 174	Posted - 2013.01.21 03:31:00 - [12] - Quote Frying Doom wrote: My apologies apparently Seleene is not running for re-election so the only point to this thread is now to show that ex-CCP employees should not be on the player council. I blame Malcanis for your post. This has all the hallmarks of his corrupting influence.
Seleene Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion 2397	Posted - 2013.01.21 10:16:00 - [13] - Quote Tesal wrote: Frying Doom wrote: My apologies apparently Seleene is not running for re-election so the only point to this thread is now to show that ex-CCP employees should not be on the player council. I blame Malcanis for your post. This has all the hallmarks of his corrupting influence. Yet Malcanis is a good poster. Frying Doom is on a mission to prove he is not. As for the rest, Hans, Two Step and myself talk pretty regular and are pretty solid on what we ~understand~. We all want to see POS's be a part of CCP's plans this year, it's just not going to happen all at once. Regardless of anything 'official' that CCP has or has not said, I walked away from the summit fairly convinced that SOME amount of love would be given to POS's in the very near future (spring). It's got nothing to do with my past employment (which ended three years ago BTW). Also, I'm hardly alone in my praise for CCP Unifex so pfffft. CSM 7 Chairman My Blog - Where I say stuff Follow Seleene on Twitter!
Frying Doom Zat's Affiliated Traders 1650	Posted - 2013.01.21 10:43:00 - [14] - Quote Seleene wrote: Tesal wrote: Frying Doom wrote: My apologies apparently Seleene is not running for re-election so the only point to this thread is now to show that ex-CCP employees should not be on the player council. I blame Malcanis for your post. This has all the hallmarks of his corrupting influence. Yet Malcanis is a good poster. Frying Doom is on a mission to prove he is not. As for the rest, Hans, Two Step and myself talk pretty regular and are pretty solid on what we ~understand~. We all want to see POS's be a part of CCP's plans this year, it's just not going to happen all at once. Regardless of anything 'official' that CCP has or has not said, I walked away from the summit fairly convinced that SOME amount of love would be given to POS's in the very near future (spring). It's got nothing to do with my past employment (which ended three years ago BTW). Also, I'm hardly alone in my praise for CCP Unifex so pfffft. Fair enough So you are happy that CCP missed saying anything about POSs and left that for the CSM. Funny over here we call that putting pushed in front of a bus. If Two Step had not spoken up and a player or nut like myself had posted the quote Two Step did, what do you think the response would have been? polite like it is? courteous? Also how far do you think fairly convinced would have gone if they announced the next expansion and it said nothing of POSs as their users are not worth the time? Yes I admit the new way that CCP is looking at expansions is great but they way they did it was not. Giving with one hand and giving the appearance of cutting ones legs off with the other. The fact that you, Two Step and Hans understand and are solid is great because from an external point of view it sure looked like you hung him out to dry. As to the other, with your employment ending 3 years ago...fair enough but through out your term you really have looked like a CCP cheerleader. Just saying. Oh and I never claimed to be a good poster. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
Frying Doom Zat's Affiliated Traders 1650	Posted - 2013.01.21 11:04:00 - [15] - Quote Oh a couple of other things while I am here Seleene wrote: I walked away from the summit fairly convinced that SOME amount of love would be given to POS's in the very near future (spring). I look at the job of the CSM so what like the job of a union. What is the CSM states the scope of the CSM is "The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥. The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe. It is important to keep in mind that the CSM will not have formal powers within CCP, they will have a voice inside CCP. " You will notice the main parts of this The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP This requires active engagement with the player community GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥ scope of issues is restricted only to EVE, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues. they will have a voice inside CCP. So thought I would make this a bit easier. Now do you believe you represented societies interests to CCP, while actively engaging with the player community for GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥ and voiced your concerns to CCP. When you give out a comment like "fairly convinced that SOME amount of love would be given to POS's in the very near future (spring). " Now as i said you are our voice and worse the chairman of that voice and you are not sure something that 2300+ players felt strongly enough about to come to the forums and add their voice too, not really the voice of the people. Also you will notice I am not alone in my belief ex-CCP employees should not be on the CSM, I direct you too http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com.au/2013/01/csm8-campaign-season-we-need-clean-slate.html and the quote "(Hell, I think any former CCP employee should be excluded from running for the CSM. Stick that in the White Paper, CSM.)" So on that I am not alone and on the other I would say that 2300 people would agree that fairly convinced was not convinced enough. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 7266	Posted - 2013.01.21 11:08:00 - [16] - Quote Tesal wrote: Frying Doom wrote: My apologies apparently Seleene is not running for re-election so the only point to this thread is now to show that ex-CCP employees should not be on the player council. I blame Malcanis for your post. This has all the hallmarks of his corrupting influence. wut? Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
Frying Doom Zat's Affiliated Traders 1650	Posted - 2013.01.21 11:10:00 - [17] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Tesal wrote: Frying Doom wrote: My apologies apparently Seleene is not running for re-election so the only point to this thread is now to show that ex-CCP employees should not be on the player council. I blame Malcanis for your post. This has all the hallmarks of his corrupting influence. wut? Yes, I feel the corruption, I might follow his ways and start posting sanely. Nah that will never happen. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread

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