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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.07.03 13:27:00 -
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Edited by: darth solo on 03/07/2005 13:39:19
hey guys... need some help plz.. im wanting something nice, but dont want to throw my money away, so as much info as possible is needed
After some hunting i think im on the rite track. ill be spending alot of money so i dont want to be upset with what i get, and i want to be 100% sure its gonna be good....
so here are my options.
from alienware.com
ú2343.35
AMD athlon 64x 2 4400+
dual 7800 gtx pcx 256mb nvidia cards
2gb dual ddr pc3200 4x 512 memory
on a alien mother board
ú2546.00
fx-55
dual 7800 gtx pcx 256mb nvidia cards
2gb dual ddr pc3200 4x 512 memory
on a alien mother board
ú18317.00
AMD athlon 64x 2 4400+
dual 6600 gt pcx 128mb nvidia cards
2gb dual ddr pc3200 4x 512 memory
on a alien mother board
ú2165.00
AMD athlon 64x 2 4400+
dual 6800 256mb nvidia cards
2gb dual ddr pc3200 4x 512 memory
on a alien mother board
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From wiredtofire.com
ú2263.00
AMD athlon 64 fx 55
dual 6800 256mb
2gb corsair twin 3200 pro
asus a8n sli mother board
ú2501.06
AMD athlon 64 fx 55
dual 7800 256mb
2gb corsair twin 3200 pro
asus a8n sli mother board
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ok, its the graphic cards that seems to make the biggest diff in price here... what im asking is what is the best value for money?.. i know that obviously the more expensive i go the more power i will have... but what offers the best value for money?.
out of the cards is the dual 7800s that much better than the dual 6800s to justify that much more money?. the same also for the 4400 cpu to the fx-55.
cheers guys, this is starting to hurt ma head . like i say.. i dont want to make a mistake as this will be the last PC i buy for a while.
anyones experience of this sort of thing will be appreciated...
d solo.
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Cmdr Patrick
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Posted - 2005.07.03 13:35:00 -
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ú2501.06
AMD athlon 64 fx 55
dual 7800 256mb
2gb corsair twin 3200 pro
asus a8n sli mother board
That one is a very very nice set up
Imo they are all utterly uber 0.o goggle about the differance between them but seriously man with ANY of those machines you could play bf2 at max res and all maxed out settings
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Xrak
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Posted - 2005.07.03 14:07:00 -
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Edited by: Xrak on 03/07/2005 14:07:12
If the computer is for gaming, then you want a FX-55 not an X2. If you do stuff like lots of compressing and rendering etc you want an X2.
Also the price difference between 6800 and 7800 shudnt be that big really, but guess they want more profits.
Also for best value for money you want a mainstream not high end, the high end is twice the money for only a 1.3x gain really.
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Asestorian
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Posted - 2005.07.03 14:17:00 -
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Edited by: Asestorian on 03/07/2005 14:18:11
If you wanna spend that kinda money, and you want it for gaming, then I would suggest this one:
ú2546.00
fx-55
dual 7800 gtx pcx 256mb nvidia cards
2gb dual ddr pc3200 4x 512 memory
on a alien mother board
Actually with that one, try 2gb of 2x 1gb sticks and set-up for dual channel, quite a noticable performance boost there.
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Amataras
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Posted - 2005.07.03 14:33:00 -
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All sounds very over-priced to me  You could probably spend ú800-ú1000 or so on a system thats only slightly worse than those specs above, if you chose the parts separately and asked a computer shop guy to build it for you.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.07.03 14:39:00 -
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yes this will only be a gaming PC..
my prob is if the jump from the dual 6800s to the 7800s and also the 4400+ to the fx-55 is really worth the massive price increase.. i think its in the region of ú600.
d solo.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.07.03 14:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Amataras
All sounds very over-priced to me You could probably spend ú800-ú1000 or so on a system thats only slightly worse than those specs above, if you chose the parts separately and asked a computer shop guy to build it for you.
iv had all my last Pcs built by a friend... its always given me trouble:(.. this time im looking for a ready built PC with a guarantee... i know what ur saying bout the costs though....
im thinking maybe the 4400+ cpu with the dual 7800 cards... the 3d mark seems to be around 23000, which iv been told is good.
anyone have any experience of these cards?.
d solo.
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MooKids
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Posted - 2005.07.03 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
ú18317.00
AMD athlon 64x 2 4400+
dual 6600 gt pcx 128mb nvidia cards
2gb dual ddr pc3200 4x 512 memory
on a alien mother board
Typo or really expensive computer?
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Dray
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Posted - 2005.07.03 16:24:00 -
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My friend has recently purchased the 2nd pc on your list but with dual 6800gt gfx, he was in the same position as yourself but he used to build his own pc's but decided not to bother and go for a good spec pc with good after sales back up, aside from the fact it looks superb it can hump any game out there atm no problem. You've got the cash go for it.
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Xrak
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Posted - 2005.07.03 16:29:00 -
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graph
There we go, as you can see gettin the VERY VERY best will cost alot compared with just getting a damn good system, my recommendation would be either wait for ATI's Crossfire and get duel x850's.
Or if you really want your system now, then get a 4400+ and duel 6800's. Should be quite a bit cheaper for not alot of performance loss.
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Monty Burns
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Posted - 2005.07.04 09:26:00 -
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Disks
Something that gets overlooked far too much. No matter how much physical ram you have you will disk page (push memory to disk). Even the fastest uber processor/gfx card/memory system will get bogged down by disk IO.
My setup and recommended:
Dual Raptor raid zero (stripe) - these are 10,000rpm SATA disks. This is where your OS and Swap file should go.
Another SATA disk where your apps and data should go.
Try to keep as little as possible on the O/S raid 0 system. This help the disk with as little fragmentation as possible.
The best recommendation anyone can say is "Yes, i would buy this again".
Best of luck!
Darwin 4tw
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.07.04 10:42:00 -
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Edited by: darth solo on 04/07/2005 10:42:21
ok cheers guys... after ALOT of research iv decided to go with this.
ú2343.35
AMD athlon 64x 2 4400+
dual 7800 gtx pcx 256mb nvidia cards
2gb dual ddr pc3200 4x 512 memory
on a alien mother board ..
i read a 20 page review and test on the 7800 card last nite, and it was pretty amazing... so 2 of them must be nice... i think it will be worth the extra cost.
as for the fx 55 CPU, well think im gonna give that a miss and go for the 4400+.
cheers... ill tell u all how it performs soon .
oh i get the VAT back so i save ú320 on it.
d solo.
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Asestorian
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Posted - 2005.07.04 11:45:00 -
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pretty good choice, but you will loose a little performance on the CPU atm when playing games due to them not supporting the whole dual core thing, but... drooooooooliness.
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Frank Horrigan
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Posted - 2005.07.04 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
Edited by: darth solo on 04/07/2005 10:42:21
ok cheers guys... after ALOT of research iv decided to go with this.
ú2343.35
AMD athlon 64x 2 4400+
dual 7800 gtx pcx 256mb nvidia cards
2gb dual ddr pc3200 4x 512 memory
on a alien mother board ..
i read a 20 page review and test on the 7800 card last nite, and it was pretty amazing... so 2 of them must be nice... i think it will be worth the extra cost.
as for the fx 55 CPU, well think im gonna give that a miss and go for the 4400+.
cheers... ill tell u all how it performs soon.
oh i get the VAT back so i save ú320 on it.
d solo.
good choice ^^.. kinda makes me jelous as hell.. ILL POD YOU IN YOUR SLEEP! *cough cough*
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Asharee Intrefer
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Posted - 2005.07.04 11:54:00 -
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If I was buying a new system now I would consider going for good 6800 cards now, tuck the spare money away and buy 7800 Ultra (or whatever the updated version will be called) next year when they have dropped in price and maybe have more memory, and so on.
But I can understand the urge to get the hottest stuff asap as well. 
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Ravin Karan
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Posted - 2005.07.04 15:47:00 -
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Don¦t listen to anybody trying to tell you the Athlon x2 will cost you performance, especially playing EvE ! Dual Core will finally give you a computer that feels like one, compared to the lagging piece of s.h.i.a.t. multitasking computers we all have now.
Single die (that chip thingy ) multiprocessor computers are the future and you will understand it instantly when you switch it on and play eve while surfing or doing other stuff simultaneously.
/rant off
Anyhoo, as a rule of thumb that never failed me during my 15+ years in computing: Never EVER buy the most expensive thing on the market. Always go for the middle.
And don¦t bother with the SLI thing now. Try to get the computer with a single card but still SLI capable so that you can upgrade later when the price has fallen. SLI drivers are effectively still in development so don¦t believe the current hype around it.
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Ravin Karan
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Posted - 2005.07.04 15:57:00 -
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Plus having a fully equiped SLI computer running EVE will lead to paying more for the electricity bill than the eve subscription. 
Check the power consumption on those new GFX monstercards (googel it), it¦s unreal! 
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.07.04 16:00:00 -
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cheers..
well i got sucked in like a kid in a sweety store and went for the fx 55 processor also.
seemingly windows will be moving to that sort of tec soon...
as for the SLIs... its a pretty amazing idea.. i didnt even know of the 2 cards together untill about a month ago... but when i did i couldnt help myself.
i know u never buy stuff that just comes out, but it had me drooling and i dont go buying Pcs everyday.
crazy isnt it...
d solo.
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Xrak
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Posted - 2005.07.04 18:18:00 -
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Even with a FX55 the CPU will still be holding the cards back I would think.
Also SLI is NOT a good upgrade option as the requirements on the cards is too specific. People with one 6600GT and SLI boards are having trouble getting the exact same card for an upgrade (ie they bought version 1.00 of teh card and only version 1.01 is on sale. SLI then doesnt work)
Darth, when you get it whack the graphics on full and show us some nice piccies please!!
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.07.04 21:43:00 -
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yeah xrak, i like the idea that Alien will be building and setting up my machine with the 2 cards for me, rite from the start... so they should work good as iv heard nothing but good things about them....
iv seen some pics of a single 7800 in a 4000+ machine... and it looks AMAZING.. so ill see what i can do...
d solo.
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Ravin Karan
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Posted - 2005.07.05 00:56:00 -
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Waiting for buyers remorse to hit you while you listen to the little jet engine going off in your livingroom with 2 gfx card fans a fx55 fan plus the PSU fan powering up and staying high while you play EVE and wonder why the heck the computer is still lagging when you change from the eve window to the other tasks. Yes, you went of course for the outdated single core fx55.
My condolences.
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2005.07.05 01:22:00 -
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Alienware is a nice way to spend $1500 on a pretty case. Overpriced like Cap Recharger IIs.
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Xrak
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Posted - 2005.07.05 01:47:00 -
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Yup when both cards are together and working its damn nice (not quite as good as Xfire, but thats not out yet).
Duel 7800 aint gonna look any nicer but the fps definately will be. 16xAA 16xAF
/me drools
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.07.05 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ravin Karan
Waiting for buyers remorse to hit you while you listen to the little jet engine going off in your livingroom with 2 gfx card fans a fx55 fan plus the PSU fan powering up and staying high while you play EVE and wonder why the heck the computer is still lagging when you change from the eve window to the other tasks. Yes, you went of course for the outdated single core fx55.
My condolences.
i dont understand what u mean?... 2 weeks ago i didnt have half a clue, but with the help of many ppl and alot of research, im getting a bit of knowledge.
the FX-57 processor has only JUST been released, its the most powerfull gaming CPU money can buy... no way will i pay for that its insane money... and thats the only CPU that betters the FX-55, and even that is by a very little...
64 FX57 110.6%
64 FX55 105.06%
X2 4800+ 101.2
64 4000+ 100.0%
the FX-55 is the second best CPU money can buy... and if i did want the FX-57 id need to purchase it from the USA, also the 4800 is more expensive than the fx-55 but with less power, the FXs are meant to be the future... so why condolences? and a stupid rolling eyes thing?.
darn im actually getting rite into this PC lark.... .
d solo.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.07.05 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Fear
Alienware is a nice way to spend $1500 on a pretty case. Overpriced like Cap Recharger IIs.
seems they offer the best after sales service.. they also win lots of awards from all the top gaming and PC mags... i know i could get the same tec of PC for less if i bought all the components and got some1 to build it.. but i like the idea of having a guarantee and peace of mind. can u imagine frying ur 2 7800 cards cause another part of ur PC went faulty...
Its also going thriough a business account, so is alot easier to explain when i have 1 receipt, rather than 10 from diff PC part suppliers.
anyways, too late now.. its ordered. darth runs to bank and cancels cheque.
d solo.
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zcinner
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Posted - 2005.07.18 21:35:00 -
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this is thes most expensive
ú2343.35
AMD athlon 64x 2 4400+
dual 7800 gtx pcx 256mb nvidia cards
2gb dual ddr pc3200 4x 512 memory
on a alien mother board
take it
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.07.18 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Xrak
Also the price difference between 6800 and 7800 shudnt be that big really, but guess they want more profits.
Higher performance, less power usage (more stability), les cooler space needed (better architecture, doesnt heat up as much) all in favor of the 7800.
Reiisha's Skills |
Xrak
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Posted - 2005.07.19 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Reiisha
Originally by: Xrak
Also the price difference between 6800 and 7800 shudnt be that big really, but guess they want more profits.
Higher performance, less power usage (more stability), les cooler space needed (better architecture, doesnt heat up as much) all in favor of the 7800.
It is a redesgined nv40 chip, nothing new, its not even 90nm.
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Cmdr Patrick
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Posted - 2005.07.19 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ravin Karan
Waiting for buyers remorse to hit you while you listen to the little jet engine going off in your livingroom with 2 gfx card fans a fx55 fan plus the PSU fan powering up and staying high while you play EVE and wonder why the heck the computer is still lagging when you change from the eve window to the other tasks. Yes, you went of course for the outdated single core fx55.
My condolences.
Fx 55 still pwns 99.9% of other processors, have you seen a duel sli, fx 55, 2 gb ram benchmark? darth can laugh it up as eve is nice and lagless running with effects on at like 120 fps, counterstrike srouce runs at around oh 90-120 as well(my mate has one) and tbh it's stunning.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.07.19 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ravin Karan
Waiting for buyers remorse to hit you while you listen to the little jet engine going off in your livingroom with 2 gfx card fans a fx55 fan plus the PSU fan powering up and staying high while you play EVE and wonder why the heck the computer is still lagging when you change from the eve window to the other tasks. Yes, you went of course for the outdated single core fx55.
My condolences.
Interestingly enough, my Pentium 3 machine doesn't lag at all when switching between two EVE windows.
So I doubt an FX-55 will.
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