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Pesht
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Posted - 2005.07.03 16:36:00 -
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From the patch notes:
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Stealth Bombers can no longer fire a volley, cloak mid-cycle and have their volley affect the target.
So basically they took the one reason to even have the cloak and took it away. Stealth bombers sucked enough before, being able to fire and then cloak and have your missiles hit the target was one of the only things that made a stealth bomber live up to it's name. It's a little better after the missile patch, since your missiles will take less time to hit, but if you're firing from max range, which is the only range you should be firing at in a tissue paper ship like that, it'll still mean you have to sit around and wait to cloak.
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Lansfear
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Posted - 2005.07.03 16:44:00 -
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This slightly usefull ship just got hosed.
So much for tactics.
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Queen Agave
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Posted - 2005.07.03 16:44:00 -
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Now that Covert Ops have a new bonus, maybe they can give Stealth Bombers the better cloak.
The cloak is for getting away from the scene of a crime, not so much for surprising the target. Thus, they could make the better cloak more available, and even make the downtime on locking even longer, because you're not supposed to use it that way anyhow. It's not a surprise module. It's for gangs and for escaping or logging off.
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Jon Hawkes
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Posted - 2005.07.03 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Agave
Now that Covert Ops have a new bonus, maybe they can give Stealth Bombers the better cloak.
Oooh, what bonus is this going to be?
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keepiru
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Posted - 2005.07.03 16:49:00 -
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They just updated the decriptions to show the probe scan speed bonus they get (and have had for a while).
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Darmed Khan
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Posted - 2005.07.03 16:53:00 -
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Don't forget the fact that they forgot to increase the cruise launcher PG bonus, so now fitting cruise launchers to a bomber requires 25% more grid.
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Parallax Error
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Posted - 2005.07.03 16:53:00 -
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I know it shouldn't get to me, but I can't help it!
Stealth Bombers are rubbish, they never should have been released in their current state and whoever designed them should be shot.
They could have added a new quantity to combat in EVE, but they released piles of junk.
They should have been able to take on a BS in 2's or 3's, but be unable to defend themselves from the myriad of anti frigate options out there ::points at Interceptors, Assault Frigates, Destroyers::
They could have gone one step further.... allow Destroyers to mount some form of Smartbomb style uncloaking array and allowed Stealth bombers to lock very quickly after uncloaking. Voila! We have submarine like warfare... that would have added a lot of depth.
CCP, can you nerf the tier 1 cruisers now please? I'll be damned if they aren't causing me to lose sleep through their effectiveness.
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Leontes
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Posted - 2005.07.03 17:03:00 -
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I haven't played EVE for more than a week, but I want to ask - what makes these stealth bombers so bad?
From my experience, being able to stealth is a huuuge advantage in any game with PvP. You get to choose your battles, and in some you can escape easily.
Could someone indulge me and explain why they are so bad?
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Pesht
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Posted - 2005.07.03 17:08:00 -
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Edited by: Pesht on 03/07/2005 17:09:23
Originally by: Leontes
I haven't played EVE for more than a week, but I want to ask - what makes these stealth bombers so bad?
From my experience, being able to stealth is a huuuge advantage in any game with PvP. You get to choose your battles, and in some you can escape easily.
Could someone indulge me and explain why they are so bad?
Biggest reason they're so bad is ANY ship in this game can cloak. If you have the skills for it, you can cloak, so the ONLY advantage the stealth bomber has is it can move faster while it's cloaked, and it's a frigate which can fire cruise missiles.
The faster speed really doesn't mean anything, you're still moving pretty slow, and the frigate able to fire cruise missiles, well, ok, that's nice I guess, but seeing as it's not even a good frigate, since it's extremely slow for a frigate, you're better off getting a BS and putting cruise missiles on it, since you'll move about as fast, and be able to fit a cloak just as easily.
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Leontes
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Posted - 2005.07.04 14:55:00 -
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ANY ship can cloak?
Well, I see what you're saying then
Thanks
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Vishnej
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Posted - 2005.07.04 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: Vishnej on 04/07/2005 15:20:46
It could be really useful in world without insurance.
But since that isn't our world, I don't see the point in the gimpage.
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2005.07.04 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Agave
Now that Covert Ops have a new bonus, maybe they can give Stealth Bombers the better cloak.
The cloak is for getting away from the scene of a crime, not so much for surprising the target. Thus, they could make the better cloak more available, and even make the downtime on locking even longer, because you're not supposed to use it that way anyhow. It's not a surprise module. It's for gangs and for escaping or logging off.
The Biggest problem here is once your targetted you cant cloak so now by the time your missles hit you cant cloak 
theres no point from what i can see for putting a cloak on these ships now
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.07.04 15:59:00 -
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If people had stopped using them as, and expecting stealths to be, some kind of solo gank frig then this thread would not be here.
Stealths dont have high d.o.t., they arent fast, they arent versatile.
What do they have ? High burst damage.
So how does one use them ?
Right.
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Parallax Error
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Posted - 2005.07.04 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
If people had stopped using them as, and expecting stealths to be, some kind of solo gank frig then this thread would not be here.
Stealths dont have high d.o.t., they arent fast, they arent versatile.
What do they have ? High burst damage.
So how does one use them ?
Right.
Errm lets see.... before patch, fire their missiles at range, then recloak and hope that their target doesn't a) warp away and b) pops on the first shot. Can't honestly see any situation where a Stealth Bomber isn't out performed by either a cruiser, interceptor or assault frig.
Post patch it can....... fire its missiles, which will probably hit and hurt T1 Frigs and Indies. Of course show it to any sort of fire and it will die, again its out performed by cruisers, interceptors and assault frigates.
What is its niche supposed to be? Long range hauler ganking? oh, yes... high burst damage... we could get a group of 10 of them and try and gank a BS. Hold on... can't 10 cruisers/interceptors/assault frigs already do that?
The Stealth Bomber in both pre and post patch guises is nothing more than a novelty. It does not have any useful purpose that cannot be accomplished atleast as effectively as a cruiser/interceptor/assault frig.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.07.04 16:43:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 04/07/2005 16:42:57
That's true yes. On that count they are underpowered or at least in a niche that's not usefull atm.
But then again, they can never be succesfull solo or even small group based ships. They are wolfpack material only.
that's what I meant.
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Zenst
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Posted - 2005.07.04 16:55:00 -
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Only use for thse ships atm is using them as uber cov ops to fly upto the 100km+ warpin sniper carebears.
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Parallax Error
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Posted - 2005.07.04 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 04/07/2005 16:42:57
That's true yes. On that count they are underpowered or at least in a niche that's not usefull atm.
But then again, they can never be succesfull solo or even small group based ships. They are wolfpack material only.
that's what I meant.
I agree with what you've said there, but being useful in large groups.... every ship is useful in large groups. If you fly large formations of these ships and come across an equivalent sized enemy, I'd lay money on the losses being much heavier on the Bombers side.
If they come across a lone BS, or a small nuber the net result wouldn't be far from the result if a large gaggle of Kestels or Mallers were flying about.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.07.04 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 04/07/2005 16:42:57
That's true yes. On that count they are underpowered or at least in a niche that's not usefull atm.
But then again, they can never be succesfull solo or even small group based ships. They are wolfpack material only.
that's what I meant.
WTF is the point of the cloak then?
And with out the cloak I can't see why I would use them instead of assault frigs.
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Vicious Vic
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Posted - 2005.07.04 17:51:00 -
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If you are gonna nerf the ship. Nerf the cost first.
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Arleonenis
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Posted - 2005.07.04 18:36:00 -
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they will be very usefull if they cost 1-2m, than it would be cheap and expendable heavy salvo hitter that is flying coffin for pilot (but most of them could escape with cloak), now its very costly flying coffin that is out perfomed by most ships... maybe even kessies but not sure here
i know ccp probably designed it that way to attack in massive packs kill target and most of bombers escape after attack with cloak, but what they dont understand is the price tag on them that makes them.... hmmm very costly toy? 
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Baddy
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Posted - 2005.07.04 18:53:00 -
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well, atleast their prise is dropping
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Equinox II
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Posted - 2005.07.04 19:23:00 -
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Well.. at least they look cool ;p
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.07.04 20:07:00 -
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Nerfing stealth bombers is like breaking Stephen Hawking's knees. Neither needs to be more crippled.
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BlueSmok
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Posted - 2005.07.04 21:02:00 -
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Edited by: BlueSmok on 04/07/2005 21:02:34
Forgive me if I'm wrong I'm not a tech2 ship pilot for Covert ops or AF's.
But I remember reading somewhere that you could Lock the target, Dampen them fire your volly of missles and then recloak before they overcame your dampen? Also Do Dampeners stack well or is the penalty high? Seems to me if you have a small wolfpack of 2 ~ 3 Bombers each with a single dampener and work together you could wreak some havoc?
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Bubba Fett
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Posted - 2005.07.04 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Equinox II
Well.. at least they look cool ;p
Actually, if you're looking at the gallente ones, they look pretty much the same as a tristan. And you can get over 100 tristans for the cost of a nemesis. It's also the cheapest bomber.
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