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Mistah Ewedynao Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 343	Posted - 2013.01.22 17:30:00 - [1] - Quote Not sure if I had ever done an escalation fron one of these or not. Don't think I ever will again. Was something about boosters and a lady on the radio. I did the first two parts, crap rewards. Logged off for the night. Logged back in after DT, remembered I still had an escalation going and hoped it might get better, so I figured I'd run one more part to see. The location was only two jumps from where I am normally based so I hopped in my exploration Loki to check it out. I use this same Loki to do DED 4/10 Sepentis Phi Outposts with ease. No drones, set up for AC's DPS, Fed Navy web with a Caldari Navy Invul Field and Pithi A-Type Kinetic and C-Type thermal amps. Approx 30K ehp. I fly to escalation system and warp to site. To my surprise I see not only the usual cruiser and frig rats but 2 Serpentis Battleships also. Normally I kill everything, not just the Shadow loot carrier. I start killing the rats and when I fire on the first BS I notice a Mayday Message in local. Oh and these BS are very fast with MWD's. I start on the second BS and another Mayday message appears and then all Hell breaks loose! In warps two more BS's, approx 8 cruisers and 6 frig rats, right on top of me. I am instantly: 1. Perma damped by ALL the cruisers 2. ALL 5 frigs are alternating between webbing and scramming me, staying just out my now very short lock range of around 6.5 km due to VERY heavy damping. I am barely moving at all. 3. The incoming DPS is BAD, much worse thean the whole second room of the PHI outpost, and I am screwed. In fact the DPS from these few ships reminds me of Angel Extravaganza! I fire up a second client with my main character in his Boosting Sleipnir and he fleets me and starts heading my way, and I am still dying :( FC toon doesn't make it in time and I watch my Billion+ isk Loki go POP! Dead, gone, finis! I sit there in my POD and check my wreck. The Caldari Navy Invul field and The Pithi A-Type amp have dropped, but gone are the sisters expanded launcher and a Fed navy Web and Republic Fleet Gyro stab and TE. Ouch!!!!!!!!!!!! I fire up a third client on my laptop with my 70M SP BS killer in his Maelstrom set up to tank Serpentis rats. I have over 750M sitting in that wreck and I gotta get it. Bottom line, I beat them with the Mael and the Sleipnir and get my shinies back....what's left of them. The Maelstrom had to use his X-Large ASB just to tank these few rats! Hardly ever use it in Level 4's. I go over to the Shadow Serpentis rat to check his loot drop... A frakkin Brass Tag! I felt like I was hotdropped by NPC's....and new Loki has drones :D Nerf Goons Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.
Claire Raynor NovaGear 49	Posted - 2013.01.22 17:38:00 - [2] - Quote Bad luck dude, Good read though! I've never had anything but tags drop on these escalations - tho they are fun to chase around - never gotten all the escalations to finish a sequence though. But I've only ever had one bit of dead space stuff drop from exploration sites - most of the time all I've gotten was tags and faction ammo and some top tier named tech I modules. Nice read though! Laters
XxRTEKxX Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution 46	Posted - 2013.01.22 17:51:00 - [3] - Quote This is the exact reason I refuse to fit anything expensive to my mission tengu and/or exploration tengu. Ive come to close to losing a ded fitted tengu to blood raiders because of their neuts. My alts RR domi is what kept me alive that time. Im glad you posted this though. Sorry about your loss.
Melina Lin Universal Frog 92	Posted - 2013.01.22 18:25:00 - [4] - Quote "Mayday! Mayday G6 industrial group being attacked by pirates!" i.e. you!
Barrogh Habalu Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 390	Posted - 2013.01.22 19:53:00 - [5] - Quote On a related note, I think that there should be "mission reports" on escalations, and since you have quite a lot of time to go for one...
Mistah Ewedynao Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 345	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:35:00 - [6] - Quote Barrogh Habalu wrote: On a related note, I think that there should be "mission reports" on escalations, and since you have quite a lot of time to go for one... There are, but very few. Eve Survival Nerf Goons Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.
St Mio Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1113	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:47:00 - [7] - Quote The cherry on top is the loot (or lack thereof). This must be NPCs getting revenge for the tens of thousands of their brethren that are slaughtered in highsec L4s every day, through the one medium that all EVE players know and fear... trolling.
Melina Lin Universal Frog 92	Posted - 2013.01.22 23:13:00 - [8] - Quote St Mio wrote: The cherry on top is the loot (or lack thereof). This must be NPCs getting revenge for the tens of thousands of their brethren that are slaughtered in highsec L4s every day, through the one medium that all EVE players know and fear... trolling. Ssshh! Don't tell him! He's not at the last stage yet.
Tauranon Weeesearch 107	Posted - 2013.01.23 00:45:00 - [9] - Quote Barrogh Habalu wrote: On a related note, I think that there should be "mission reports" on escalations, and since you have quite a lot of time to go for one... If you stick any unrated or ded name into google it will show you 10 different reports, and you'll be able to discern spawns, loot type and escalation name, escalation locations, escalation spawns and escalation loot, bearing in mind some of the reports are secondhand. Also this is a very fast chain, the cruiser commanders along the way have always been relatively kind to me for loots (compared to frigate commanders), and the overseer encounter is very easy - can be done with a force recon if the system its located in requires you to pass through a player camped gate. Stopping to kill the core admirals for bounties is optional and just a bit of an amusing thing to fail at.
Mistah Ewedynao Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 345	Posted - 2013.01.23 03:13:00 - [10] - Quote Ahh Google Quote: just a bit of an amusing thing to fail at. yeah is kinda funny now, wasn't funny at all when it was happening. The Wiki article really need to emphasize how serious the damping is with the new Ewar changes. Nerf Goons Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.

Jiska Ensa Unour Heavy Industries 122	Posted - 2013.01.23 03:29:00 - [11] - Quote I think I know which one you're talking about, and I've watched a lot of ships die to it. I don't know if they changed anything since I last ran it, but I remember the chance of getting the complete escelation (ie getting a shot at decent loot) was pretty slim, and after the second or third corp-mate who lost their battleships trying to save me, I stopped running them :P
Barrogh Habalu Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 391	Posted - 2013.01.23 13:03:00 - [12] - Quote Mistah Ewedynao wrote: The Wiki article really need to emphasize how serious the damping is with the new Ewar changes. Frankly, EVElopedia isn't that keen on timely updates, and same can be said about many other sources. Tauranon is right, that takes some research (augmented by your own knowledge and sense, especially if changes are done recently) to figure out what are you going to face. My wild guess is that many guide writers got tired with years of fixing and updating and the like, so in many cases you won't see any profound write-up on the matter. Probably talking to people would be better choice sometimes, but keep in mind that when some content becomes trivial for someone, it's possible that he may overlook a detail or two that may be pretty significant for someone not familliar with the content at all.
seth Hendar I love you miners 1	Posted - 2013.01.23 14:28:00 - [13] - Quote Claire Raynor wrote: Bad luck dude, Good read though! I've never had anything but tags drop on these escalations - tho they are fun to chase around - never gotten all the escalations to finish a sequence though. But I've only ever had one bit of dead space stuff drop from exploration sites - most of the time all I've gotten was tags and faction ammo and some top tier named tech I modules. Nice read though! Laters same, never had anything worth it in any escalation, never had more than one escalation, and only 1 of the 20+ DED sites i've done in the last 2 monthes dropped a deadspace item (wich was crappy) also, the true sanshas never drop ANYTHING but laser crystals now, whether it is on belt or in sigs. i do smell a stealth nerf..... also the drop from radar / magneto / combat ladar are really crappy now too ( no more BPC, no more intact armor plate or skillbooks etc....)
Tom Gerard Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan 789	Posted - 2013.01.23 14:36:00 - [14] - Quote seth Hendar wrote: Claire Raynor wrote: Bad luck dude, Good read though! I've never had anything but tags drop on these escalations - tho they are fun to chase around - never gotten all the escalations to finish a sequence though. But I've only ever had one bit of dead space stuff drop from exploration sites - most of the time all I've gotten was tags and faction ammo and some top tier named tech I modules. Nice read though! Laters same, never had anything worth it in any escalation, never had more than one escalation, and only 1 of the 20+ DED sites i've done in the last 2 monthes dropped a deadspace item (wich was crappy) also, the true sanshas never drop ANYTHING but laser crystals now, whether it is on belt or in sigs. i do smell a stealth nerf..... also the drop from radar / magneto / combat ladar are really crappy now too ( no more BPC, no more intact armor plate or skillbooks etc....) Its more like RNG, I took my battle Noctis through High-sec doing anoms as I went and killed a faction frig and got a DG ballistic and a blue salvage worth 30k or something silly. CCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC.
seth Hendar I love you miners 3	Posted - 2013.01.23 14:46:00 - [15] - Quote Tom Gerard wrote: seth Hendar wrote: Claire Raynor wrote: Bad luck dude, Good read though! I've never had anything but tags drop on these escalations - tho they are fun to chase around - never gotten all the escalations to finish a sequence though. But I've only ever had one bit of dead space stuff drop from exploration sites - most of the time all I've gotten was tags and faction ammo and some top tier named tech I modules. Nice read though! Laters same, never had anything worth it in any escalation, never had more than one escalation, and only 1 of the 20+ DED sites i've done in the last 2 monthes dropped a deadspace item (wich was crappy) also, the true sanshas never drop ANYTHING but laser crystals now, whether it is on belt or in sigs. i do smell a stealth nerf..... also the drop from radar / magneto / combat ladar are really crappy now too ( no more BPC, no more intact armor plate or skillbooks etc....) Its more like RNG, I took my battle Noctis through High-sec doing anoms as I went and killed a faction frig and got a DG ballistic and a blue salvage worth 30k or something silly. well, we are several (10+) ppl running sites / sigs etc... in low sec, and we all noticed the same trend reagarding the drops in the last 2 months. and we run them in a daily basis, the content of my loot container has dropped 50% value those last 2 month, whil i kept running the same average nb of anom. ofc, it used to vary a bit from month to month, but never by 50% (unless i stop playing for a few indeed), and the drop was still ore or less the same. plus it is pretty easy to spot that now i have no more deadspace / faction items, BPC or skillbooks, while i used to gather a few / month before
Mistah Ewedynao Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 349	Posted - 2013.01.23 15:46:00 - [16] - Quote Oh I do agree on the stealth nerf. To me it seemed that right after the expansion was deployed I was getting great drops in everything I do in Highsec, DED 3,4/10, Radars and Gravs. Now the places where I was getting A and B type drops am getting C type if lucky, radars are giving out crap and the places that would give C type drops now give tags and crap. Gravs seem scarcer also. Maybe it was just a post expansion buff to give everybody that "I love eve!" glow........... Nerf Goons Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.
seth Hendar I love you miners 4	Posted - 2013.01.23 15:49:00 - [17] - Quote Mistah Ewedynao wrote: Oh I do agree on the stealth nerf. To me it seemed that right after the expansion was deployed I was getting great drops in everything I do in Highsec, DED 3,4/10, Radars and Gravs. Now the places where I was getting A and B type drops am getting C type if lucky, radars are giving out crap and the places that would give C type drops now give tags and crap. Gravs seem scarcer also. Maybe it was just a post expansion buff to give everybody that "I love eve!" glow........... to me it seems more like the nerf came with the expansion, i checked my loot on a monthly basis for a year before, and since this expansion, a net 50% nerf for the same amount of anoms (proportion of anom type seems to remain the same tho). and i still operate within the same low sec region, so no reason it being changed. i especially agree, radar and magneto give crap now, and the ladar fight doesn't drop skillbooks anymore, only some gsas cloud harvester
Ikonia Royal Amarr Expeditions 48	Posted - 2013.01.24 10:40:00 - [18] - Quote Ive written that down a few times. Ive always been considered bragging, posing or whatever for sharing that information, until i gave it up, since there are soooooooo many ub0r that know it all better. It is like that since at least 2 years, if not since the expeditions were introduced. When the Vigil escalates, you sometimes get a message saying something like that: " ... the call for help was answered by a nearby fleet, so you better be quick ..." in local chat. IF that happens, it means that you have a possibility for an escalated escalation, or escalated expedition. There are multiple ways to solve it: 1.) simply wait like 20 minutes in the first expedition site, after you have killed the NPCs. Remain uncloaked, but goin on a distance like 70 km is a not too bad recommendation. First time i discoveredf this, i was already with my orca and a salvager in the site and the fleet, which warped in, caught me "pants down", 1 rounded my salvager and my orca made it out there on hull. 2.) follow down the expedition until the very last step in LoSec. But be careful! When you do that, the expedition which can be considered in the difficulty of 4/10 then escalated into the difficulty of a 5/10. The fleet which warped in there in LoSec was MUCH harder than the one i had in the HiSec sites. In fact it included more than once something really big, Carrier or Dreadnought. -----> in 2 cases i have gotten another window message and received a further expedition, that leads to track down the source of where the fleet came. Which then is overall considered as hard as a 5/10. From a friend explorer ive gotten the info, that there is also a chance that this might escalate further into a difficulty of a 6/10 including sometimes a named spawn. All good explorers know this since years, yet little has been shared. Not on purpose to keep it secret, or maybe just a lil bit. Mostly because all sharing these infos got trolled and yelled at by those who think they invented exploration but dont do much but delivering false facts on false formulas in form of excel sheets. I know of at least 2 more expeditions that might trigger a further escalation. Atm im trying to find the "holy grail of exploration". A triggered expedition in a difficulty of a 1/10, that leads up to the highest grades of difficulty. There is few to no information in Evelopedia about that. One of these is well hidden in the frentix distribution site. One of them is hidden in a frig sized signature, i think its XXXX hide, for XXXX = Sansha, Serpentis or whatever. I futher expect one in the monstery sites but didnt get the escalation so far, and those are not spawning in the region im in since about a year.
Mistah Ewedynao Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 350	Posted - 2013.01.24 17:54:00 - [19] - Quote Ikonia wrote: Lots of good info. Thanks for that. Nerf Goons Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 5059	Posted - 2013.01.24 20:00:00 - [20] - Quote Mistah Ewedynao wrote: Ikonia wrote: Lots of good info. Thanks for that. Definitely....... Damn, I've seen that message a few times but haven't ever stuck around in the site afterwards. Always thought it was just some extra text to add immersion to the story for RP aspect. Man, I've been shooting myself in the foot and didn't even realize it. As for the Evelopedia staying current with all info, that's up to us, the Eve Community, to keep it updated. DMC

Ikonia Royal Amarr Expeditions 54	Posted - 2013.01.28 11:21:00 - [21] - Quote I had it again today. All i can tell you = no fun. Found a Sansha Vigil - escalated into expedition "True Power Shipyard". First site i came to, was empty. After opening fire on the True Power Factory: 1. Expedition site: 2x elite Frig 4x Frig 1x elite Cruiser 1x Cruiser 1x faction Cruiser (True Sansha Beast) (dropped True Sansha Cap Recharger, Faction ammo) When opening fire Main toon received message: The True Power Factory was sending a call for help, which was answered by someone nearby. So you better hurry up befor the hell breaks in over you ... (not literally, translated from German language) Second toon received message: The True Power Factory is sending an emergency signal. 2. Expedition site: On warp in agro: 3x Frig 3x Elite Frig 1x Cruiser 1x Elite Cruiser 1x Faction Cruiser (True Sansha Behemoth) (dropped True Sansha Thermic Plating, Factioon Ammo) 3. Expedition site: on warp in agro: 4x Frig 3x Elite Frig 4x Cruiser 3x Elite Cruiser Main & second toon received message: The overseer answered you in a strange voice, that the equipment has not yet arrived and that th factory has been attacked. Further he means that your delivery will arrive shortly and you shall just wait. 15 mins after fight: Message in local: Go get em, boys. SPAWN and immediately agro: 1x something big - hit me very hard. (120 km) 1x Elite BS (70km) 1x Faction BS (50km) bout 15x frig and elite frig (10km) bout 15x cruiser, battlecruiser mixed elite and normal (20km) Had to warp out. T3 was in less than 25 secs almost on hull. saw a hit from the biggie like 1500 dmg, distance over 100km, laser weapons. When i returned like 3 mins later - site empty. All sites were in HiSec.
Mistah Ewedynao Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 368	Posted - 2013.01.28 15:25:00 - [22] - Quote Thanks Ikonia :) You were lucky to be able to warp out. Those elite frigs are mean, as no doubt those Sansha Elite Cruisers are. (TD's?) Gonna try Serpentis Vigil again and when it escalates will have back up ready in Passive Tanked Maelstrom, with alot of drones. Nerf Goons Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.
Ikonia Royal Amarr Expeditions 54	Posted - 2013.01.28 16:12:00 - [23] - Quote Well, the distance saved my ass i assume. TD is not as harsh to me since i fly 2 toons, one on laser, one on heavy assault missiles. At least in the Sansha space it is not as hard.
Funky Koval Bad Artists 4	Posted - 2013.01.28 17:52:00 - [24] - Quote I can vaguely remember years ago when expeditions were first introduced I once got a Serpentis escalation that pretty much fits the description. IIRC I lost a Brutix then (yes people used to fly those in PvE ;) then came back in a Domi and also failed miserably (had to warp out 2 or 3 times then gave it a rest). Never got one again, but I've always been lazy and I and I tend to blitz plexes/combat sites. Still intend to give this a try when an occasion arises ;). BTW, very interesting insights Ikonia, enjoying your posts on the subject.
Kusum Fawn State War Academy Caldari State 287	Posted - 2013.01.28 19:06:00 - [25] - Quote http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Booster_R%26D this is the serpentis Vigil escalation and Ive never gotten anything different then that. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Jet-Set_Hooligans this is the Serpentis Watch escalation and Ive never gotten anything different all of this, and more is available on google. Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Ikonia Royal Amarr Expeditions 55	Posted - 2013.01.28 19:42:00 - [26] - Quote I havent done the serpentis as of yet. I dont get the True Power Shipyard often in the Sansha Vigil either. Maybe like ever 3rd or 4th. This one is definitely random. From there on, you will be on your own. Problem is, that the Vigils arent that common, the Shipyard escalation is somewhat rare either. Causality is a big issue always :)
Funky Koval Bad Artists 4	Posted - 2013.01.28 19:45:00 - [27] - Quote Kusum Fawn wrote: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Booster_R%26D this is the serpentis Vigil escalation and Ive never gotten anything different then that. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Jet-Set_Hooligans this is the Serpentis Watch escalation and Ive never gotten anything different all of this, and more is available on google. "I have never seen it, therefore it doesn't exist" And I think anyone who's exploring knows how to use Evelopedia and Google (some may choose not to tho).
Tauranon Weeesearch 117	Posted - 2013.01.29 09:15:00 - [28] - Quote Funky Koval wrote: Kusum Fawn wrote: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Booster_R%26D this is the serpentis Vigil escalation and Ive never gotten anything different then that. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Jet-Set_Hooligans this is the Serpentis Watch escalation and Ive never gotten anything different all of this, and more is available on google. "I have never seen it, therefore it doesn't exist" And I think anyone who's exploring knows how to use Evelopedia and Google (some may choose not to tho). The reported thing is actually True Power Shipyards having a second escalation "tracking down the source", and the method/hint for when its available. Booster R&D having something similar isn't really being reported, its just a sort of half remembered thing alongside a theory. Those that believe, have a golden goose to chase.
Funky Koval Bad Artists 5	Posted - 2013.01.29 14:30:00 - [29] - Quote More like a Holy Grail, actually Seeing as in exploration everything is pretty much mirrored for different pirate factions, I don't see why only Sanshas would have one (unless it was something CCP stopped implementing mid-way for some reason and didn't bother to finish). And yeah, my memories are not that clear, but I do remember a huge blob including multiple BSes, then again maybe it was just part 2 of the standard escalation grown horrid in my noobish eyes... W/e, I don't even do vigils that often. But a few next times I do, I'll just stick around in ecalations a bit longer to see if anything happens.
Ikonia Royal Amarr Expeditions 56	Posted - 2013.01.29 15:08:00 - [30] - Quote And here it is, the usual yelling. When i learned exploration from a friend, he told me to be treated like that in forums, when revealing his discoveries. In common this behavior is located in the more kiddish games like AoC and WoW. In fact, most dont even read the text messages. Or check items dropping that normally have no value and are considered worthless. In those you often can find hints for tasks, missions and quests and where to get them. I find it amusing that many explorers dont even think about these possibilities ... When i started with exploration there were messages often in the loot, telling the finder where to go to follow this mission. I would recommend to simply open your eyes, read more intense what is send in messages, or look more intense on items that can be found. There is enough hidden treasures in the Eve Universe :)

Palinchron Spiritual Asylum 0	Posted - 2013.01.29 15:16:00 - [31] - Quote Thanks Ikonia. It's really really very kind of you to share the precious information with us. I' ve done many vigils before since years but never know these hidden things. The fleet thing not only sounds awesome but also brings new challenge. Tbh i have never read those signal messages carefully except for the very first time. By every escalation i did only warp in, kill the faction cruiser directly and then warp out. Recently i even skip vigils because of the poor loot. But now, new reason there is to travel back to amarr and have some fun with vigils again.
Mistah Ewedynao Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 370	Posted - 2013.01.29 18:06:00 - [32] - Quote Ikonia wrote: And here it is, the usual yelling. In common this behavior is located in the more kiddish games like AoC and WoW. There is enough hidden treasures in the Eve Universe :) Sadly it is becoming more typical behaviour in Eve lately. I Just try to ignore the usual suspects with their brilliant insight such as: "Learn to Play! You are doing it wrong! I had no problem with that im my T1 fit thrasher! Adapt!" ...and last but not least...HTFU! Thanks for your tips and info Ikonia. Looking forward to my next Serpentis Vigil Escalation. Just going to take a few extra precautions this time. Nerf Goons Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.
Ikonia Royal Amarr Expeditions 57	Posted - 2013.01.29 20:54:00 - [33] - Quote Just for completion, original chat log on main toon in german untranslated. n++[ 2013.01.28 09:11:16 ] Nachricht > Sie bemerken, dass die Leiter dieser Einrichtung einen Hilferuf aussenden, welcher sofort von jemandem beantwortet wird, der behauptet eine "Flotte" Verteidiger zu Hilfe zu schicken. Es ist wahrscheinlich eine gute Idee, zu verschwinden, bevor hier die H+¦lle los ist. On second toon: [ 2013.01.28 09:11:16 ] Nachricht > Schiffscomputer-Nachricht: Die True Power-Fabrik der Sansha sendet einen Notruf aus. n++ When the fleet spawned both toons had: [ 2013.01.28 09:57:46 ] Nachricht > Los, holt sie euch, Jungs!
Palinchron Spiritual Asylum 0	Posted - 2013.02.01 11:28:00 - [34] - Quote I have just got the true power shipyards 3 times, so i'd make a short report here. -First 2 times the escalation hit dead ends at the first and the second stage. Both times i got the message: You notice that the operators of this facility are sending out a call for help, one which is answered instantly by someone claiming to be dispatching a "fleet" of defenders to assist. It is probably a good idea to get out before all hell breaks loose. -I waited still after killing all the enemies, but nothing special happpened. -The 3 try went longer which ended at the third site. -By entering the first site i got the above message as usual. Waited 20min but fleet didnt come. -At second site nothing happened totally. -By entering the third site the local channel showed that: Ships Computer Message: Sansha True Power Factory sends out a distress call. -But no faction spawn found here. After destroying all hostiles including the true power factory the escalation ended, however, the pop up message told me to wait. -20 min later the fleet finally warped in with the local message: Go get them boys! The fleet i met consisted of 1 faction cruiser, 17 BCs, 3 elite cruisers and many frigates along with some destroyers. So basically no faction BS for me and nothing hit too hard, but i still thank for the advice to keep a distance in advance which helped really. Sadly no further escalation triggered by killing the faction cruiser. So i guess the fleet varies from time to time? And perhaps the faction cruiser i met could indeed be the missing faction spawn at this stage? My feeling is, the second message implies that the fleet will actually warp in in some time. Don't know whether the fleet will come before the third site or not since only the structure at the third stage named sansha true factory which matches the name in the signal. I will update when i have more experience.


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