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Mac Creed
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.26 20:25:00 -
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This character makes me a bit more anonymous than having my main in case you find out how little this character is used... I don't wanna get legally scammed.
(Back in the old days) When I had played Eve online for about few months I found out that this feature called "Shares" could give allot of isk income. Back then I did make a share with some corp, never really got anything out of it. I didn't pay for the share and nor did I receive anything at all. Not that it matters anyway. What's bothering me is all the posts that say how dangerous this is for new players and on the wiki it says that all corp CEO's should accept the share and so on and on.
Now here is the question: Is it possible by any chance that the corp CEO that my main has a share on can in any circumstances, just take my isk or ruin something without me accepting it?
Is it safe for me to private message the CEO and tell him/her that this "share" on my wallet bothers me and I want him delete me from this list.
Thank you. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
Home Front Coalition
304
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Posted - 2013.01.26 23:28:00 -
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You simply need to know that each Director in the corp can create more shares, assign them to himself and thus gain the majority of shares: a corporate takeover. In order to prevent this any sane CEO keeps these shares for themselves and doesn't use the ingame voting system at all, but corporate forums instead. That's pretty much it. Since you merely have a share, you'd get ISK whenever a dividend is payed over those shares. This is how you can make money from them. Owning a share can't harm you. Well, you could get some ISK that's been payed over dividends, or you may at some point be asked to cast a vote on something. The CEO of the corp you have a share from can't even take it from you or delete it by the way. You must transfer the share to him like this page explains:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Shares#Recovering_Shares
EDIT: I failed to mention this is a choice. You either keep all shares as CEO, or you don't give anyone Director permissions. As long as the CEO is the only one that can create new shares, no other character can ever gain the majority of shares. With some fiddling you can crease a Title that has all roles except handling shares, so if you absolutely want to use them I'd advise that. |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
94
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Posted - 2013.01.27 02:24:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:You simply need to know that each Director in the corp can create more shares, assign them to himself and thus gain the majority of shares: a corporate takeover. In order to prevent this any sane CEO keeps these shares for themselves and doesn't use the ingame voting system at all, but corporate forums instead. That's pretty much it. Since you merely have a share, you'd get ISK whenever a dividend is payed over those shares. This is how you can make money from them. Owning a share can't harm you. Well, you could get some ISK that's been payed over dividends, or you may at some point be asked to cast a vote on something. The CEO of the corp you have a share from can't even take it from you or delete it by the way. You must transfer the share to him like this page explains: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Shares#Recovering_SharesEDIT: I failed to mention this is a choice. You either keep all shares as CEO, or you don't give anyone Director permissions. As long as the CEO is the only one that can create new shares, no other character can ever gain the majority of shares. With some fiddling you can crease a Title that has all roles except handling shares, so if you absolutely want to use them I'd advise that.
TYVM. This is valuable knowledge. Made me realize that I HAVE a hole in my defenses.
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
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Posted - 2013.01.27 02:28:00 -
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For all CCP talks about "realistic economy" they don't seem to have devoted more than half a daydream to making a working stock market. 
EvE Forum Bingo |
Merouk Baas
480
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Posted - 2013.01.27 03:06:00 -
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Nobody in your corp can take your stuff out of your wallet or out of your private Items hangar space in stations. Corp members only have access to the corp hangars, and to the POS hangars at the POSes (POS hangars don't really have security). They may also have access to the corp hangar in your capital ships, if you have any in space.
Some corp roles (security? auditor? I forget exactly which ones) allow them to see what's in your private hangar, so they could check if you stole anything. And of course the API will let them see details in your wallet, but again it's read-only, they can't take anything.
Shares allow you to vote, see votes, and receive dividends (if the CEO / Directors decide to push the "pay dividends" button - most of the time they don't). If you're still in the corp, with a majority vote you could take over CEOship, but as it's been explained, the CEO usually controls the shares so that he/she has more than 50%. Thus you can only take over a corp if the CEO isn't around to vote; if he's around, his 51% vetoes any "Yes" votes for you.
In any case if you want to get rid of the share you can just transfer it to him. There should be an option to "give share" when you right-click his name, or from the wallet in the Shares tab. Nobody can take your shares, YOU have to give them away.
It's safe to message the CEO, but obviously he won't be able to do anything about it since you have to give it (he can't take it). |
Mars Theran
Red Rogue Squadron
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Posted - 2013.01.27 03:55:00 -
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Simple way to handle shares is this: Allow the CEO and Directors to vote on a per share value, then carry this value over to share increases. Thus, 1000 shares at 1 m ISK each, translates to 10000 shares at 100K ISK each. If you want to increase your share value, you should propose a vote that includes a share value increase with the share creation.
To claim a share, any shareholder may simply sell it back to the Corporate wallet. If there is no ISK, then the share return will fail. You may still transfer the share directly to another shareholder and ask for ISK value.
Simple enough really. The question only remains, as to what the share is actually worth, and whether players would want to invest in it. It also doesn't account for speculation, losses, or gains; leaving that up to the voting and proposal of value.
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Mac Creed
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.27 17:35:00 -
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Thanks allot guys. This info has been of grate use for me. Thank you. Now I don't have to worry about this. |
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