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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.01.29 00:45:00 -
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Tykari wrote:It would appear the tensions within the State are reaching fever pitch. These could prove to be interesting times.
They will be more tragic than interesting for the people caught on the ground.
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I think you can safely assume that the audit turned out to be more than business as usual - but that does not mean that Wiyrkomi was required to inform either you or us of that fact until they had the information they needed to make whatever choice they were weighing up.
Except that we still don't know what information it was. All we know is that whatever that audit found, it had major consequences. You (and all other WHG capsuleers?) lost your employment, and WHG apparently lost its licence to continue to operate within the State. I wasn't able to determine from the reports just what happened to those 500 "rioters" that you all washed your hands of so conveniently.
I recall you saying that you were surprised by the revelation of such "disloyalty" among the ranks of those you had served with. Apparently there are similarly "disloyal" citizens being killed in the current instability.
Here's my question: how do you know that they were "disloyal" and who were they "disloyal" to?
I suppose I hope you are asking yourself who deserves your loyalty the most. The Citizens and the interests of the State? Or those who are willing to sacrifice both to satisfy their personal vendettas. I hope every Caldari Citizen is asking themselves that question today. |

Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
282
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Posted - 2013.01.29 00:55:00 -
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Miss Rinai, there is no real difference.
Wiyrkomi acted to terminate the employment of the rioters - which I'm sure you'd agree is within their rights. No further information regarding the fate of the ex-employees has been released and I'm sure, once again, you understand that if Wiyrkomi Home Office washed their hands of them and also closed down Wiyrkomi Honor Guard, the former members of that organisation have absolutely no authority that they could use to get Kaalakiota to offer them access or information regarding the rioters.
As an enfranchised Citizen of the State, you can remain assured that I follow my own heart, where compatible with my Duty and obligations to my employer. Am I surprised and concerned by the mobilisation? Yes, I am - but I understand that the State releases information according to the schedule of the operations it is involved in and not before.
Again, there have been no confirmed reports of shooting, of orbital bombardment, of any sort of mass-scale insurrection or rioting. There have been no confirmed reports of the mobilisation of any of the Corporate Security forces - which I can assure you WOULD be happening if they felt that their independence was being trampled. There hasn't been a single confirmed report of a fleet action or a planetary blockade.
Is it worrying? Of course! I also understand that the Amarrian, Minmatar and Gallentean blocs feel the need to match the State's mobilisation with one of their own but, again, no incursion into foreign space has been reported. Now is not a time for finger wagging or blame games. Now is a time to watch and wait. |

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
53
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Posted - 2013.01.29 01:33:00 -
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And stocking up on ammunition. On a completely unrelated note, I've just finished a batch of all kinds of kinetic deliciousness. Captain Lieutenant Midshipman Ms Lady Dame Dudette Otsito the Third. Lord High Thingamadoodle and Satrapess of the Paper Birds. The One who used to be The Keeper of the Toothbrush Threat Level: lol |

Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
282
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Posted - 2013.01.29 02:31:00 -
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C'mon... Clearly yesterday was the day to stock up on ammo, before the prices went up... |

Alizabeth Vea
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
109
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Posted - 2013.01.29 07:37:00 -
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If I were the Gallente I would be taking advantage of this like buy one, get one free night at a pleasure hub.
I sent off a demand for information to the CEP. If they are not forthcoming with information, I'll lobby Mittani to arrange another Burn Jita event and hit he State where they will feel it-their wallets. Staff Writer: themittani.com -á If you are going anywhere else to get your Eve News, you are wrong.
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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
53
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Posted - 2013.01.29 07:50:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:C'mon... Clearly yesterday was the day to stock up on ammo, before the prices went up...
Not if you're selling. Life is good. Captain Lieutenant Midshipman Ms Lady Dame Dudette Otsito the Third. Lord High Thingamadoodle and Satrapess of the Paper Birds. The One who used to be The Keeper of the Toothbrush Threat Level: lol |

Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
30
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Posted - 2013.01.29 08:40:00 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:If I were the Gallente I would be taking advantage of this like buy one, get one free night at a pleasure hub.
I sent off a demand for information to the CEP. If they are not forthcoming with information, I'll lobby Mittani to arrange another Burn Jita event and hit the State where they will feel it-their wallets.
Wait, what's this about a pleasure hub? |

Alizabeth Vea
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
110
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Posted - 2013.01.29 08:45:00 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:Alizabeth Vea wrote:If I were the Gallente I would be taking advantage of this like buy one, get one free night at a pleasure hub.
I sent off a demand for information to the CEP. If they are not forthcoming with information, I'll lobby Mittani to arrange another Burn Jita event and hit the State where they will feel it-their wallets. Wait, what's this about a pleasure hub?
It's a Gallente invention, I think. I've seen a lot of amazing things in my journeys, like hundreds of supercarriers and titans slogging it out, majestic plasma planets, sleeper strictures in wormholes, but none compare to a fine Gallente pleasure hub stocked with lithe, nubile, svelte Gallente girls. Staff Writer: themittani.com -á If you are going anywhere else to get your Eve News, you are wrong.
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
1776
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Posted - 2013.01.29 10:13:00 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:I sent off a demand for information to the CEP. If they are not forthcoming with information, I'll lobby Mittani to arrange another Burn Jita event and hit the State where they will feel it-their wallets.
As was pointed out to me a while back, you do realise the overwhelming weight of Burn Jita's economic impact fell upon capsuleers, and furthermore upon capsuleers who have no specific affiliation with the State, right? Mane 614
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Alizabeth Vea
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
112
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Posted - 2013.01.29 10:34:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Alizabeth Vea wrote:I sent off a demand for information to the CEP. If they are not forthcoming with information, I'll lobby Mittani to arrange another Burn Jita event and hit the State where they will feel it-their wallets. As was pointed out to me a while back, you do realise the overwhelming weight of Burn Jita's economic impact fell upon capsuleers, and furthermore upon capsuleers who have no specific affiliation with the State, right?
Killing a bunch of random pubbies in highsec? Say it ain't so! Goonswarm would never do such a-oh wait. So what. If ruining the lives of demigods is what it takes to turn the State away from bombarding Caldari citizens, very well. If GSF goes down this path, we don't even have to kill every ship, just freighters-which are incredibly light on crew. The markets will move elsewhere and that will be that. Staff Writer: themittani.com -á If you are going anywhere else to get your Eve News, you are wrong.
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Sami Okuuda
Caldari Navy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.01.29 13:31:00 -
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Greetings capsuleers, I have been authorized by Caldari Navy Command to release a short statement regarding the events of yesterday and the continued action of the Caldari Navy and allied forces. Because of operational security, I cannot give details of any current military actions being undertaken by the Caldari State at this time.
However, you may rest assured that no violence is being perpetrated by the Caldari State against its own citizens and any such accusations as such will be considered treasonous. All actions are strictly being taken in a military and security capacity, to protect the interests of the State, its corporations, and its people. We are acting on several sources of actionable intelligence to prevent a widespread security threat to both the Caldari and the cluster at large.
At the current time, the Caldari Navy remains on a state of highest alert and will be vigilant in defending the State from all outside threats. |
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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
53
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Posted - 2013.01.29 13:35:00 -
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Is there any indication that this might affect loyal State capsuleers at any point, or should we stop hoarding dru... ammunition and ships, you think? Captain Lieutenant Midshipman Ms Lady Dame Dudette Otsito the Third. Lord High Thingamadoodle and Satrapess of the Paper Birds. The One who used to be The Keeper of the Toothbrush Threat Level: lol |

Noboru Tahvo Toivonen
The Outcast Dead
5
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Posted - 2013.01.29 13:39:00 -
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Sami Okuuda wrote:Greetings capsuleers, I have been authorized by Caldari Navy Command to release a short statement regarding the events of yesterday and the continued action of the Caldari Navy and allied forces. Because of operational security, I cannot give details of any current military actions being undertaken by the Caldari State at this time.
However, you may rest assured that no violence is being perpetrated by the Caldari State against its own citizens and any such accusations as such will be considered treasonous. All actions are strictly being taken in a military and security capacity, to protect the interests of the State, its corporations, and its people. We are acting on several sources of actionable intelligence to prevent a widespread security threat to both the Caldari and the cluster at large.
At the current time, the Caldari Navy remains on a state of highest alert and will be vigilant in defending the State from all outside threats.
Good to hear and thanks for the update.
Should you require any additional hands, feel free to contact us and other loyalist organisations. I am sure you and your people have everything under control though, the Caldari Navy and Megacorporate police forces are the best the cluster has to offer in technological advancements and steadfast dedication.
We at TODEA wish you every success in your current operations. |
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Auvier Bauvon
Federation Navy Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.01.29 13:58:00 -
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Yesterday evening, the Federation Navy along with Tripwire and all branches of the Federal Armed Forces were placed on high alert in response to the mobilization of the vast majority of the Caldari State's military forces.
They will remain in this state until such time as the situation is resolved.
At this time we are pleased to report that no attempt to breach the Gallente-Caldari border has been made, and that fighting has indeed remained within Caldari borders, solely focused on populated Caldari worlds.
Regardless, the Senate, Federal Intelligence Office and Federation Navy continue to monitor the situation closely.
Coupled with this, the Luminaire Defense Force remains fully mobilized and on full alert.
Auvier Bauvon Operational Admiral Verge Vendor & Essence Division Tripwire Intelligence & Command |
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1262
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Posted - 2013.01.29 14:04:00 -
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My sources are telling me that you have confirmed using tactical orbital strikes against this unnamed threat. Can you confirm this in writing here? |

Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1127
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Posted - 2013.01.29 14:11:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:My sources are telling me that you have confirmed using tactical orbital strikes against this unnamed threat. Can you confirm this in writing here?
I did a fly over last night of planets in Sujarento, Tama, and a few other Caldari contested systems to check on planet side friends of mine. I couldn't see anything that looked like an orbital strike against civi centers. My friends told me they hadn't seen anything either. But then again, they aren't very close to city centers... but I guess we'll see what happens soon.
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Arve Vesren
DED CONCORD Assembly
3
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Posted - 2013.01.29 14:16:00 -
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The Directive Enforcement Department are currently keeping a watchful eye on the situation as it develops.
We have stressed to the involved parties, and will do so again publicly, that any attempts at breach of sovereign borders outside provisions made in the CONCORD Emergency Militia War Powers Act YC110 will be met with full and lethal DED response.
Regards,
Arve Vesren S.W.A.T. Director Directive Enforcement Department CONCORD Assembly |

Edaine Numenor
Numenor Benevolent Holdings
189
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Posted - 2013.01.29 14:17:00 -
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Sami Okuuda wrote: you may rest assured that no violence is being perpetrated by the Caldari State against its own citizens and any such accusations as such will be considered treasonous. .
Well let's see. If a Caldari citizen or his family is the victim of any violence perpetrated by the State and has the gall to say so, he will be considered a traitor. So, no right of petition; no right of redress. Liberating slaves wherever, whenever, and however I can. |

Demion Samenel
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
14
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Posted - 2013.01.29 14:30:00 -
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Sami Okuuda wrote:Greetings capsuleers, I have been authorized by Caldari Navy Command to release a short statement regarding the events of yesterday and the continued action of the Caldari Navy and allied forces. Because of operational security, I cannot give details of any current military actions being undertaken by the Caldari State at this time.
However, you may rest assured that no violence is being perpetrated by the Caldari State against its own citizens and any such accusations as such will be considered treasonous. All actions are strictly being taken in a military and security capacity, to protect the interests of the State, its corporations, and its people. We are acting on several sources of actionable intelligence to prevent a widespread security threat to both the Caldari and the cluster at large.
At the current time, the Caldari Navy remains on a state of highest alert and will be vigilant in defending the State from all outside threats.
Thank you Commander Okuuda for the information.
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Tykari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
109
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Posted - 2013.01.29 15:02:00 -
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Sami Okuuda wrote:We are acting on several sources of actionable intelligence to prevent a widespread security threat to both the Caldari and the cluster at large.
This does peak my interest. A threat to not only the Caldari but the entire cluster? If anything this makes the lack of concrete and detailed information all the more worrying, assuming that claim isn't somewhat exagerated. Of all the things I can image to be a serious threat to the cluster few of them would be containable by the might of just one of the Empires. If that message is meant to be reassuring I'm not certain if it succeeded. In this dark void we are like brilliant stars, holding within us both the creative and destructive power to bring a new dawn upon worlds or plunge them into eternal darkness. |

Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
659
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Posted - 2013.01.29 15:10:00 -
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All the alarm and hair-tearing over the words "orbital bombardment".
Most orbital strikes (not all, but the majority) are precision firepower launched from small weaponry. Frigate and destroyer grade. a 150mm railgun loaded with tactical orbit-to-ground ammunition produces a smaller bang than some of the artillery used in warfare on the homeworld by our pre-warp ancestors. Tactical EMP rounds won't even damage any structures they hit.
Now, if there were dual 1000mm railguns being aimed down the gravity well, THEN the alarm and concern about civilian casualties would be justified. Those things can trigger tectonic events. But until I hear that the firepower being used is bigger than, say, 250mm, I see no reason to believe that these orbital strikes are any more harmful than the ones that our cousins the new soldiers are asking us to provide. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Noboru Tahvo Toivonen
The Outcast Dead
6
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Posted - 2013.01.29 15:23:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:All the alarm and hair-tearing over the words "orbital bombardment".
Most orbital strikes (not all, but the majority) are precision firepower launched from small weaponry. Frigate and destroyer grade. a 150mm railgun loaded with tactical orbit-to-ground ammunition produces a smaller bang than some of the artillery used in warfare on the homeworld by our pre-warp ancestors. Tactical EMP rounds won't even damage any structures they hit.
Now, if there were dual 1000mm railguns being aimed down the gravity well, THEN the alarm and concern about civilian casualties would be justified. Those things can trigger tectonic events. But until I hear that the firepower being used is bigger than, say, 250mm, I see no reason to believe that these orbital strikes are any more harmful than the ones that our cousins the new soldiers are asking us to provide.
Stitcher is quite right, having seen black box footage from some of my marines, precision strikes are exactly what they are described as. Tactical strikes, though many times more impressive, are easily directed, given an appropriate beacon to target. Even if these rumored bombardments are a reality, weapons testing on the large swathes of sup-optimal land that can be found even on temperate worlds is the most likely destination.
After all, even the most strident cries of 'press manipulation' would fall flat against the stark reality of a flattened city-block. Manipulating stories tends to work well on two extremes - whole populations in the case of cultural bias and white-wash or slander on the individual level. Covering up that tricky middle-ground of 'sub-national, but pan-system' goings on is hardly practical; someone always talks and it's hard to quiet a traumatised population.
Suffice to say I have every confidence that these operations are legitimate and in the interests of the people. Trust your leadership, citizens, they are the stewards of our strength and unity in these dark times. Celebrate your armed forces, they are your protectors and the steadfast line between order and anarchy. |

Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
78
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Posted - 2013.01.29 15:43:00 -
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Arve Vesren wrote: The Directive Enforcement Department are currently keeping a watchful eye on the situation as it develops.
We have stressed to the involved parties, and will do so again publicly, that any attempts at breach of sovereign borders outside provisions made in the CONCORD Emergency Militia War Powers Act YC110 will be met with full and lethal DED response.
Regards,
Arve Vesren S.W.A.T. Director Directive Enforcement Department CONCORD Assembly
Efforts to breach Federation sovereign borders and planetary systems by DED-criminalized capsuleers have still gone unpunished. . . your words do not inspire confidence.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
659
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Posted - 2013.01.29 15:56:00 -
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Yes, yes, we're all very impressed by your ability to sneer at people, Soter...
An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
1778
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Posted - 2013.01.29 15:57:00 -
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Arve Vesren wrote:The Directive Enforcement Department are currently keeping a watchful eye on the situation as it develops.
We have stressed to the involved parties, and will do so again publicly, that any attempts at breach of sovereign borders outside provisions made in the CONCORD Emergency Militia War Powers Act YC110 will be met with full and lethal DED response.
Regards,
Arve Vesren S.W.A.T. Director Directive Enforcement Department CONCORD Assembly Does this mean that, gods forbid, CONCORD is actually going to do its ****ing job for once? Truly, miracles never cease. Mane 614
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
659
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Posted - 2013.01.29 16:01:00 -
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Uka hikiin, suuolo?*
Yes, they're doing their job. I'm not sure what need there is for all this venom.
* (AUTOTRANS: "You as well, my friend?") An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
32
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Posted - 2013.01.29 16:13:00 -
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Noboru Tahvo Toivonen wrote:Stitcher wrote:All the alarm and hair-tearing over the words "orbital bombardment".
Most orbital strikes (not all, but the majority) are precision firepower launched from small weaponry. Frigate and destroyer grade. a 150mm railgun loaded with tactical orbit-to-ground ammunition produces a smaller bang than some of the artillery used in warfare on the homeworld by our pre-warp ancestors. Tactical EMP rounds won't even damage any structures they hit.
Now, if there were dual 1000mm railguns being aimed down the gravity well, THEN the alarm and concern about civilian casualties would be justified. Those things can trigger tectonic events. But until I hear that the firepower being used is bigger than, say, 250mm, I see no reason to believe that these orbital strikes are any more harmful than the ones that our cousins the new soldiers are asking us to provide. Stitcher is quite right, having seen black box footage from some of my marines, precision strikes are exactly what they are described as. Tactical strikes, though many times more impressive, are easily directed, given an appropriate beacon to target. Even if these rumored bombardments are a reality, weapons testing on the large swathes of sub-optimal land that can be found even on temperate worlds is the most likely destination. After all, even the most strident cries of 'press manipulation' would fall flat against the stark reality of a flattened city-block. Manipulating stories tends to work well on two extremes - whole populations in the case of cultural bias and white-wash or slander on the individual level. Covering up that tricky middle-ground of 'sub-national, but pan-system' goings on is hardly practical; someone always talks and it's hard to quiet a traumatised population. Suffice to say I have every confidence that these operations are legitimate and in the interests of the people. Trust your leadership, citizens, they are the stewards of our strength and unity in these dark times. Celebrate your armed forces, they are your protectors and the steadfast line between order and anarchy.
Considering these events are taking place on populated words in Caldari Empire space, it stands to reason that there is a high probability of civilian casualties. This would be the case even if there weren't orbital strikes taking place, and only planet-side military assets engaged. Since we have confirmation of "large, intermittent explosions consistent with extensive ground fighting" it is almost almost a certainty that civilians have been caught in the crossfire. Even if we take the Caldari Navy at its word that civilians are not being targeted.
So, it remains to be seen who they are attacking and why. |

Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
659
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Posted - 2013.01.29 16:20:00 -
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merely being on a populated world does not mean that the fighting is in populated areas. You forget that the State actually has quite a low population density dirtside - the largest part of our citizens live in space, and the largest part of our planetary colonists live in cities. It's a known fact that Guristas assets, for instance, prefer to operate from wilderness footholds in areas not claimed by any of the megas.
Besides, as was mentioned before, civilian casualties tend to lead to failures of the press blackout. The fact that we're still in the dark suggests to me that if there have been civilian casualties, they've been too few to note. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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BloodBird
Nova Foundry
11
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Posted - 2013.01.29 16:24:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Uka hikiin, suuolo?*
Yes, they're doing their job. I'm not sure what need there is for all this venom.
* (AUTOTRANS: "You as well, my friend?")
Given CONCORD's recent history, Verin, I'd say people have a right to be sceptical until it's proven to be wholy unwarranted.
The DED will prove itself, of not. And doubts laid at their feet will prove justified... or not. We will see, personally I almost hope someone somewhere steps out of line and get smacked down, then maybe the torrents of complaints towards the DED will fall silent for a while.
It would surely be a welcome change of pace...
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
659
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Posted - 2013.01.29 16:28:00 -
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You're exhibiting negativity bias. CONCORD and the DED do their jobs perfectly most days. No organisation is infallible, however, and the few failures we've seen don't outweigh the smooth running that we don't ever see because smooth running is not newsworthy. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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